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There is definitely a market for a $2000 full frame camera.

Yes ... and the 5DII covers this market already.
It will also cover it during the holidays this year and in early 2013.

After that, the 5DIII will start dropping in price and in 18-24 months will sell (like hotcakes) for $2500.
When the price drops to that level (and below), it will leave room in the lineup for a new $3000-3500 body with 30+ megapixels.

So, as other posters have said, no room for a  NEW $2000 FF from Canon right now - and in the next four-five years.
Who knows after that.

I know I get heat for blasting Canon so much in forums

In all fairness, Canon deserves to be blasted for the 5DIII price.

Other than that, they did a pretty good job with the camera itself ;);).

CameraLabs just posted some 5D Mark III vs 5D Mark II noise comparison shots (JPEG only, RAW to follow)

Just looking at these sample I dont understand why poeple say the new sensor is not better.  First on noise these pictures suggest to my eye ~1.5 stop better ISO.  Color and details are way better on the mkIII compared to the mkII, again using these pictures.

Because these are out-of-camera JPGs.
The JPG engine in the 5DIII is obviously vastly better than in the 5DII.
Produces results on par with a good RAW converter.

Surely a big improvement but RAW comparisons show that the sensor (not the JPG engine) is hardly improved.

BTW when we look at DxO for the D4, the sensor is actually less performant then the old D3s by a small margin.  Granted they increased resolution so it does not mean the sensor is not good, just pointing out they have not increased ISO performance with the D4.  D3s is still king from NIkon unfortunately.


EOS Bodies / Re: AF might be way better, sensor barely at all
« on: March 22, 2012, 07:53:55 PM »
... and yeah the 5D3 was better, but wow it looked closer to only 1/3rd stop better. :(   

Yes, ISO performance is indeed 1/3rd stop better at ISO-6400. 
Maybe be more at higher ISOs but I don't care about these, as the noise at ISO-6400 is already at my personal usability limit (YMMV).
The 5DIII also has a bit better color accuracy than the 5DII.

Overall, my subjective evaluation is that the sensor improvement is maybe 15% and the AF is maybe 3x better.
Again, these are subjective measurements that I've attached to this camera based on what I've seen so far.

These definitely do not warrant the price increase.
So, for now the 5DIII gets a firm "hold" recommendation from me ;) 8).

When the 5DIII drops to $2500, it would be a fantastic buy, though.
Patience, padawan, patience.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
« on: March 20, 2012, 03:50:49 PM »
The next "EOS 7D" might be called "EOS 7Di".

Checkout the description at adorama.com


Good catch !

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D classic intro price? $3299.95?
« on: March 20, 2012, 01:18:46 AM »
Was that the price they originally went for? 

Yes, it was.
The 5D didn't hold its price like the 5DII, though.
In 2008, the 5D could be bought for $1700.
That's an almost 50% drop in three years.
Hopefully the 5DIII price will follow suit  ::) 8).

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
« on: March 19, 2012, 10:31:02 PM »
Roll on the 7D2 complete with aps-h, pro af, twin cards, 16 mps and 10fps :D

Right, at a price above the 5DIII >:( .

Canon's new slogan: Just pay for it (if you can)!

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
« on: March 18, 2012, 11:14:40 PM »
I don't see Canon pushing a "70D" upwards.

This is where we differ. I believe they will.

Depends on what you mean by "a special sensor".

Right now Canon is using the same 18mp sensor for the Rebels, the 60D, and the 7D.
By a "a special sensor" for the 7DII I meant a sensor used exlcusively in the 7DII.

For example, let's say Canon puts a new 22mp sensor in the 70D and also in the next-gen Rebels - the same way as today.
Let's also say that they move the 70D upwards in terms of specs and price.
In this case I see no room in the lineup for a 22mp 7DII, as the 7DII would be basically identical to the 70D.

However, if Canon puts a 16mp sensor in the 7DII (or a 28mp sensor), then the 7D line might continue.

The point is, the 7DII sensor has to be different from the 70D and the Rebels for the 7D line to continue.
Otherwise, I don't see Canon keeping the 7D line in the lineup.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
« on: March 17, 2012, 01:15:57 PM »
Canon slotted the 60D perfectly in-between the Rebels and the 7D.
Yet, the 60D is perceived as a super-Rebel and Canon is forced to sell it at Rebel prices.

To change that, Canon will likely spec the 70D better ... which will make it very close (identical?) to the 7D.

The only way I could see Canon having both 70D and 7DII in their lineup is if they put a different sensor in the 7DII.
Some new 1.6x sensor, with better low-light abilities than the sensor(s) in the next-gen Rebels and the 70D.

It's quite unlikely, though, that Canon will make a special sensor just for the 7DII.
More likely the 7D line will just be discontinued.

EOS Bodies / Re: Megapixel wars: Where do we go from here?
« on: March 15, 2012, 08:25:39 PM »
Well, considering the (now three year old) 7D sensor = 47MP in a full frame 35mm sensor, I'd say Canon still has a few tricks up their sleeves.

Sure ... but why ??? .

Will 47mp be of any help to a wedding photographer, who takes 500-1000 shots per event?
Or do we all need 47mp vacation and/or birthday photos?

I'm not against megapixel increases, just trying to figure out who needs all this resolution (in everyday cameras).

EOS Bodies / Re: Megapixel wars: Where do we go from here?
« on: March 15, 2012, 08:20:11 PM »
I think we are at an interesting cross roads...

Very good post. Agree with all your points.

I think this poll is missing the following option: "nothing, i think the price is not justified (as i'm only a hobbyist)".
All of the updates on the 5DIII are very welcome. As a hobbyist, though, I cannot justify $3500.
I was all set to make the switch to FF and was eagerly waiting for the 5DIII to do it - expecting the same intro price as the 5DII.
Alas, my switch to FF is on hold for now :(

EOS Bodies / Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price
« on: March 08, 2012, 11:11:54 PM »
They also feel that it was a short term choice that will cost Canon over the long run.

My thoughts exactly.

EOS Bodies / Re: Any rumors about 70D ?
« on: March 08, 2012, 10:39:55 PM »
So was wondering if theres a rumor about 70D lauching date?

No rumors but since it's such fun to speculate, here's my opinion too.

70D announcement at Photokina is very likely, IMO, since Canon will want to boost their Christmas sales.

I agree with others that the 70D will be spec'd better and priced higher than the 60D.
My prediction is that the 70D will announced at $1399 in the US.
In terms of specs, it will be a rebadged 7D basically - but with a lighter and smaller body (that is, less 'pro').

Of course if these predictions are correct, the 7D line will be discontinued.

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