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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D's Wifi Drain on Battery (?)
« on: December 10, 2012, 05:29:31 PM »
I haven't tested the WiFi battery life, but my experience has been that using it actively causes the camera to heat up a lot.  Which explains why the 6D has more electrical shielding than other cameras in it's class.

Did you test the wifi range yet? That would be interesting esp. for outdoors, the stronger shielding (simply by the camera body) might decrease the range a lot. Maybe they should have added a plug for an external antenna :-)

The zoom button is killing me.  It's taking me forever to get used to.  The buttons that simply don't exist I got used to easily as they aren't there anymore.  The AF-pattern button is still there though, so I hit it out of habit.

When (and if) Magic Lantern runs on the 6d button remapping will be easier, and the zoom function is much better with ml for example the option to go to 100% with one touch.

The DOF preview button is also moved which is tougher IMO to press.

Canon marketing must have had a field day when they positioned that, nearly the same on the 60d ... I bet they had a contest for the most awkward position, and the guy with the winning design got a free 5d3 because he helped protect that model.

EOS Bodies / Re: What will be the issue with the 6D
« on: December 10, 2012, 05:09:58 PM »
Surprisingly enough, not everyone has the same requirements as you; so your blanket statements declaring the absolute inferiority of the 6D are utterly worthless, and make you look silly.
I also duly note that a mod has a very low pain threshold for posts favoring Nikon :-) ...

... but when your blood pressure went through the roof you overlooked that the post was intended a bit on the striking side, a click on my profile reveals I even did a large compilation of things the 6d is good at: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=11309.0

Still, and short since this is rather ot: As an "entry level ff" the d600 has the clear edge, and I dare to say that except for low light af the other things in favor of the 6d are unlikely to matter to the targeted customer group if they aren't bound to a brand by prior investments. Peace.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D Mark III Frustrated Focusing problem
« on: December 10, 2012, 04:59:50 PM »
Magic from that thing so far, and that was just a few snaps of my dog, and the xmas decorations up in the house....

I'm not disputing it's a great lens and I'd swap it with my 70-300L anytime - for free :-> - but that's what I meant when writing ymmv: When shooting your dog from your couch or going a few steps outside the size & weight don't matter, and if you're a strong person or a trained photog that doesn't travel a lot they might not matter at all ...

... but when exploring outdoors I can still dangle 70-300L+60d from my wrist for a long time without problems because of less torque, but with a flash like the 600rt mounted that's the absolute max I'd still consider "fun" (me currently) and not "work".

Ok...how about now, with the original full images downsized?  I know that I can certainly tell them apart, even at 800x533.

Yeah, you're correct - but I'm usually the one bashing the crop iso performance :-) while others say they can get clean iso1600 or something out of it - but this is only possible if the shot has no dark areas with details.

On that note your (nice) squirrel shots are bit unfair because one has a dark background which of course shows higher shadow noise, and it even seems to be a bit out of focus or blurred ... if you'd use Lightroom's brush with higher +nr or even a bit -clarity on the background the difference at least might look smaller, though at the cost of the work involved.

Btw: I currently have a similar cut shot of a bird as my wallpaper, but only @iso1250 - and even then the background noise is annoying if not postprocessed as written above, that's why I want a ff - if I ever decide which :-p

Below are a pair of 100% crops from shots at ISO 3200, one from the 1D X and one from the 7D.  I wonder which is which?   ::)

I could guess because I know crappy 18mp iso performance :-p ... but as written above, downsize that to forum web size (like 800px wide) and ask again... that's why I say iso performance has to be considered in relation to final output size, though I admit I'm a pixel peeper and have a hard time convincing myself.

A 5DIII would be a step up across the board.

... at least until you try to shoot with af assist, the issue has neither been identified nor solved.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D Mark III Frustrated Focusing problem
« on: December 10, 2012, 02:06:40 PM »
I'm constantly amazed by this attitude about noobs buying nice equipment....why not buy the best that you can afford when getting something...?

It's great if you've got a steady cash flow coming, as long as a beginner is not confused by the camera's options (but I doubt that even if Canon marketing uses this as a reason to cut features - like Apple computer mice with just one button).

The problem esp. with camera bodies is that when you max out your budget for some time to come with a medium or high-end body, a beginner is likely (= probability) not using the full capability. I for one am happy not to have bought the 7d two years ago, looking back at my shots I wouldn't have really profited from the added features, and now I could spend the €700 saved back then on a (better) ff body - it's just the price difference between a 5d3 and 6d.

Last not least, "the best" isn't necessary the most expensive, esp. when considering size for transport and weight - a beginner might have much less fun when dragging around a 5d3+70-200/2.8 than with a 6d and lighter lens. Ymmv of course.

EOS Bodies / Re: What will be the issue with the 6D
« on: December 10, 2012, 01:41:49 PM »
Not saying the D600 is better than the 6D, just on paper it seems outdone in many specs by the Nikon.

You're not saying the d600 is better than the 6d? Then I'm saying it - it blows the 6d out of the water and at a lower price, it's so clear that there isn't even a discussion about it like d800 vs 5d3. The one Achilles' heel (next to video, but I don't do that) of the d600 might be low light af, we'll have a dpreview side-by-side comparisons in the near future.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D vs 5Dii - The End of an Era?
« on: December 10, 2012, 01:37:20 PM »
I am sure you have read the posts here and even on Canon's own forum site about 5d3 + 600 EX = slower AF. Actually, it seems to be all speedlites, and the specific problem is the AF assist beam being too weak, or maybe the camera body's autofocus being too insensitive to dim light.

That can't be it since the 1dx does ok, and even many 5d3 seem to do ok so it really might be a hardware issue - but the neighboring thread has more facts.

Canon does not directly acknowledge the problem.  Marsu has been pretty vocal on this, but so have many others.

Have I :-> ? Well, I admit, before I decide to pay nearly €3000 for a camera I want to know if it does ok for the things I want to do with it, and that includes barely lit events with flash(es) - so I would really like to see this issue cleared up either way.

Until then, I think people should be hesitant to recommend the 5d3 as the "best overall camera".

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D hands-on reviews by many websites..
« on: December 10, 2012, 01:32:18 PM »
If I was going to start shooting pro studio/portraits or landscape (for prints), I think the 6D would be more than capable - subject to the limits my skill.  Just look at how many pros are shooting with the 5D2 and getting amazing results.

In fairness to the stellar 1dx/5d3 af, nobody knows how many shots of a pro are lost with the 6d/5d2 af system and which situations aren't even attempted to be shot with only center point af.

But it's indeed strange that the market always has to be divided in easily understandable segments - it's the same with computers: The one that qualified as a pro workstation 5 years before now cannot even be used for typing a letter, or so it seems.

What makes the 6d usable for professional shots imho is that the center point af is much more precise than 60d/7d and more precise than the 5d2, and even the latter seemed to have done ok even during weddings and events.

So, with the same lens on each body and iso noise not being limiting...
Unfortunately, my experience with the 7D in environments where/when I commonly shoot birds is that ISO noise often is limiting, in particular for the high shutter speed often necessary.

For me (on 60d) the iso noise limit is in my head, that's the annoyance - next to exposure and framing I think about shutter speed/noise tradeoff all the time - either I get less keeper because of camera/motion blur, or the shots are crappy because of too much noise or too shallow dof.

Noise is not limiting when looking back at good shots, but few people state how many shots and opportunities they lost for a good one. That's why I'm really looking forward to a ff sensor. Realistically you can use higher iso even on crop when the final output size is not 100%, but for pixel-level 18mp iso800 is the absolute max that at least gives some air for postprocessing.

It is way faster, way more responsive and has a way better AF-system than the sluggish and totally compromised 6d.

Um, the 6d has the same fast shutter release time as the 5d3, or what is "responsive" exactly?

EOS Bodies / Re: Memory Cards--What is the absolute best?
« on: December 10, 2012, 06:59:57 AM »
Also, taking in account what others have said, (almost) all brands have inside, in fact, Toshiba NAND chips. Yes, the reliability of the case and the controller can make a difference

But since there is no controller on sd cards you're saying it doesn't make any difference which sd you buy?

And another question: Are slower cards more reliable than faster ones? Usually the latest bleeding edge gear is less reliable simply because a) it's newer and there's less time to iron out bugs and b) faster gear is often over-tuned, at least with computer components.

Lenses / Re: Canon 80-200 f2.8L Image Quality
« on: December 10, 2012, 06:54:37 AM »
RE: I wish Canon made their teles black.
I wish that Canon never made their teles black.

On most tele lenses there is a tech reason for the white color - less heating which might affect part of the lens' elements. One exception is the 70-300L, the white color is pure marketing and I could very well do without the added attention - that's why I taped the lens, though it doesn't work on the extending barrel.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D hands-on reviews by many websites..
« on: December 10, 2012, 05:46:18 AM »
Enough of these "amateur" categories.  A lot of professionals were shooting and still are shooting with 5D2 which we can say is beaten/on par on almost all camera features by 6D.

+1 ... esp. since a pro starting off with a business is completely different from a seasoned pro with a big budget and lots of assistants - if you're starting off €1000 can buy a (better) lens that make more sense for the business.

But as all marketing divisions know, people have an inherent need to sort things in a linear fashion with as little overlap as possible, but I wouldn't let that cloud the fact that a 5d3+Tamon24/70 will have worse iq than 6d+Canon24/70ii if you're not shooting sports and the af cannot keep up or have to rely on the non-center points.

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