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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 06:31:20 AM »
Found this:

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A cross-type sensor with an f/2.8-sensitive horizontal line and an f/5.6-sensitive vertical line will function as a cross-type sensor with an f/2.8 or faster lens, but if you use a slower lens, you'll still have a functional AF point (but with only single-line orientation).


http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Photography-Tips/Canon-EOS-DSLR-Autofocus-Explained.aspx


Yes, this is valid for the 1dx/5d3 outer af points - but Canon's 6d spec "cross-type at f/5.6; vertical line-sensitive at f/2.8" simply doesn't match this. Seems more like a desperate measure to make all people w/ f2.8+ lenses buy the 5d3.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« on: September 17, 2012, 06:19:18 AM »
I'm considering picking up either the 6D or 5D Mk II, which camera would you expect to be better?

You cannot pick up the 6d, it doesn't exist yet. And just that Canon states "December" doesn't mean anything knowing their release schedule problems, the "newly developed sensor" might very well produce a delay.

I'd wait for real life ISO performance and comparison of the AF systems, otherwise the two cameras appear quite comparable. No mention of AFMA on 6D, which may be an issue on FF sensors

6d has afma (and silent shutter, gps, wifi over the 5d2).

Well it is now confirmed that the 6D has 11 point AF with only one cross type point.

Actually Canon specs implies that the 6d has *no* cross sensor at all if you're using a f2.8 lens - if this is correct it would be arrogant beyond belief and a measure to protect the "pro" 5d3 at all costs.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 06:07:23 AM »
Lenses used to be better.

They might be still better in absolute terms esp. considering IS and af performance, but the latest releases are either very expensive (24-70) to ridiculously priced (tele primes) or very expensive and geared towards the video market (IS primes). So imho currently no need to buy Canon because of the lens selection alone.

Then the sensor probably would have been the succesor to the 18Mpx 1dx sensor they had to drop due to resent HiGH Mpx and dynamic range competition.

That might be an explanation for the crippled af - but I guess if the "newly developed sensor" is really significantly better than the 5d3 version Canon would have mentioned it in their press release. Much more likely that sad, cold truth is that Canon does what Canon usually does to lower priced camera bodies - cut essential features (60d: afma, 6d: shutter, af) and add gimmicks.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 05:43:07 AM »
From http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/digital_slr_cameras/eos_6d#Specifications ...

Center: cross-type at f/5.6; vertical line-sensitive at f/2.8.

... does this mean that with a f2.8+ lens attached, the center point degrades to non-cross ?!? This would be an anti-5d3/1dx af system which are tuned for f2.8 lenses.

I noticed that too. Interesting question. It would make the 6D's AF the worst in years.

I don't think so...  5D2 is still worse.


... not if the 6d has *no* cross-type point at f2.8, just the added low-light sensitivity.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 05:29:19 AM »
From http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/digital_slr_cameras/eos_6d#Specifications ...

Center: cross-type at f/5.6; vertical line-sensitive at f/2.8.

... does this mean that with a f2.8+ lens attached, the center point degrades to non-cross ?!? This would be an anti-5d3/1dx af system which are tuned for f2.8 lenses.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 05:09:49 AM »
Only the center is cross typed.  Minimum aperture @F5.6.  No focusing @ F8. :D  Clearly this is not for sports or birders.

They're always writing that except on the old 1d-series - but it works just fine with Kenko extenders.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 05:04:21 AM »
Since some report that 5D3 able to AF at F8 using 3rd party tele-extender and this 6D is a stop better than 5D3 at center point, so possible to AF at F11?

Very doubtful. And from my experience w/ my 60d @f8, the best performance is with multiple af points - like the 5d3 with af point expansion.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 04:49:05 AM »
hell im not a moron.. i safe a bit more money and buy the 5D MK3.

That's exactly what Canon wants you to do. GPS heading and wifi control on the 6d are nice, though.

I pity the people who will waste their money on this 6D, it's not worth more than 1200$. No one interested in this sort of camera has a +5000$ lens collection, so switching to Nikon will not be painful.

Few people will be thrilled w/ the 6d _at_this_price_ ... but if you shoot center point only the 6d is actually quite nice, and given the limited af coverage on ff the other 10 won't see much use if you don't shoot sports.

It's the same as the the 5d3: Good camera, but ridiculously overpriced.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 04:29:48 AM »
No AFMA

Where does it say that?

IT IS REALLY ONLY 1 CROSS TYPE AF SENSOR!!!!
shakes his head in disbelieve....

+1 ... it's really designed to be a rebelized 5d2, just one cross-type is absolutely arrogant considering even the rebels have all cross and the d600 ... no, I don't want to think about it.

An absolute pity though, the rest is quite ok, they even gave the 6d the silent shutter from the 5d3. The only really interesting thing is the wi-fi control.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 04:17:41 AM »
Woohoo!!  I didn't stay awake for nothing!!
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/about_canon/newsroom?pageKeyCode=pressreldetail&docId=0901e0248065d8c4

"[...] the EOS 6D camera's Auto Focus (AF) system includes a newly-developed 11-point AF sensor featuring a high-precision center cross-type point with an exceptional EV -3 sensitivity rating for accurate focusing even in extremely low-light conditions."

* What about the sensor dr/iso in comparison to the 5d3/5d2 !?! No af pixels obviously, so what's new?
* Wi-Fi control is indeed exciting, could even go above magic lantern features (motion detect, ...)
* $2099 is too much, as usual for Canon. I expect they really mean $1999 and $100 pre-order fee.

EDIT: GPS has orientation sensor, so that's a real advantage in comparison to an external tagger unit

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 03:44:01 AM »
I totally agree!! unless they came up with a revolutionary sensor  8)
+1   That is the only thing that can save this spec, imho.

another +1 ... but Canon don't giving details on the sensor dr/iso performance doesn't sound too promising.

Btw. the 11 af points *have* to be all cross, everything else would be a bad joke @$2000+ and in comparison to the 5d2 and d600.

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Lenses / Re: 70-200 F/4 IS repair cost
« on: September 16, 2012, 04:39:08 PM »
So the options would be to have a lens for 600 euro, or have a toy/paperweight and a new lens with guarantee for 1000 euro...

Personally I went the upgrade way (in your case 70-200/2.8) when they wanted to repair my €450 lens for €250 for the second time. In your case self-repair doesn't seem to be an option due to the replacement of a component - so I can only give you my condolences and note for myself that buying expensive lenses might result in expensive repairs with Canon's short warranty :-(

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« on: September 16, 2012, 04:19:25 PM »
11 point AF?  ??? Seems to be not much different from 9.

Well, the two more next to the center one in comparison to my 60d should come in handy even for very basic af tracking. If the 6d af is at least a very precise on all points (i.e. closed loop, all cross with *all* lenses unlike 5d3) I'd be fine with it since I don't shoot sports. But in comparison to the Nikon d600 it's still a very weak spec.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Adorama is Taking Pre-Orders for EOS 6D
« on: September 16, 2012, 04:12:31 PM »
The strategy has worked very well for 5D3 because two many people were waiting for and wanting it.

Might be different with a winter release of the 6d, more people on the northern hemisphere could be willing to wait a few month instead of paying the "eaf". Don't know about down under, though :->

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Second, this is just me - Canon allows or accepts the price drop nearly 25% on a 6 months old body....THAT IS NOT RIGHT. This is a lesson & learn for me.

Canon is not about making friends, but earning money. And the simple fact is that in spite of all forum noise the 5d3 was tremendously overpriced on release, so it's no surprise the price drops faster than comparable bodies in the past. Better hope they won't release a 5d4 (really more dr/iso, red lights in servo af, af pixels on sensor, uncompressed video, faster sd slot) in another 6 month time :-> ... but if you got good shots during the last half year, maybe it was worth $100 a month?

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