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So the 5D3 has a stronger anti-aliasing filter than the 6D?  I did not know dat...maybe that partially explains why the 6D's video has more moire?

Wups, sorry, I read my own post and have to admit that the strenght of the aa filter is just an assumption (unlike the 5d2/5d3 sharpness vs. the 6d) because of the stronger moire, it can also be due to another sampling algorithm vs. the 5d3. So sorry for that, I corrected it above but would also like to have more information on this.

Lenses / Re: Roger Buys a Camera System: A 24-70mm System Comparison
« on: February 07, 2013, 05:31:24 PM »
Actually the tamron lens confuses me abit. I have a mk1 and the nikon and im thinkin' of adding the tamron as an experiment. Although slightly underperforming it has IS. So someone has to balance out that with a nikon/mk2 will have the maximum quality but tamron will offer more keepers, so quality per quantity might be higher.

... that's also what I think and have read about the choice, though it really depends on the scene because obviously for motion and fast shooting with more need for the fast Canon af and w/o allowing for the vc to settle the Tamron cannot generate more keepers.

Lenses / Re: 70-300L AF IS goes *CLUNK!* (??)
« on: February 07, 2013, 05:21:45 PM »
Good luck finding anyone with the Tamron tc combination, I just can say that the 70-300L+Kenko 1.4x tc combination never goes *clunk!* on the 60d - in contrast to the very noisy 100L hybrid IS where a very frightening *eeek!* sound is common when pointing the lens down or up :-o

With all due respect, you seem to be repeatedly making this point in a variety of threads, but without substantiating it.  You also don't seem to own any full frame Canon camera body according to your signature, so where is the source for your information?

Asking for sources is perfectly fine - though since this is not a scientific article, skipping them unless asked to is imho also ok. While looking for the adequate ff camera (5d2/5d3/6d) I did a lot of research and downloaded multiple raw comparisons and had a look for myself in Lightroom. What exact source are you asking for - that the 5d2 is sharpest at low iso, or that the 6d is less sharp than the 5d3? If I can I'll try to post where I got the information from, though it were a lot of articles so I'll really have to look. Not to be misunderstood: I also think the 6d iq is overall much better than the 5d2, that's why I'll buy the 6d.

Btw: I'm not a big fan of the "you don't own that gear, you can't tell anything about it" argument - I for one never told it to anyone commenting on, bashing,  praising or comparing the 60d w/o owning it. While it is certainly true that ownership or extended rental is required for evaluating gear handling over longer periods of time, your 6d probably has the same sensor as any reviewer's 6d, so I'm confident I can come to valid conclusion when using other people's raw files. If reading sources would be no viably way to acquire information, scientific or journalistic work would be confronted with quite a problem.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Likely Price Trend
« on: February 07, 2013, 05:10:39 PM »
Obviously they can't go below a certain point to not cannibalize the APS-C segment too much that is probably bringing in more revenue per unit.

Imho the competition for the 6d is not so much Canon's own aps-c because of very different usage scenarios - fast fps & better af 7d vs. slow and high iq 6d. As I suspected above the real price comparison for the 6d is Nikon's 600d - if people are out for a Canon ff they'll pay a couple of hundred €€€ more no matter what, but for buyers deciding between the brands too much of a price gap might make a difference in Nikon's favor.

What if Canon simply ditched the 5D3's sensor and put the 6D's sensor in it?

From the reviews I read and the raw samples I looked at myself you're absolutely overestimating the 5d3/6d difference - the 6d might have 1/3 stop less iso noise, but the 5d3 also has improved banding, has more resolution and is sharper than the 6d. Except maybe for iso12800 (favors 6d) or low iso studio shots (favors 5d3) the differences won't show.

Edit: removed assumption about aa filter strenght on the 6d, sorry.

Lenses / Re: Roger Buys a Camera System: A 24-70mm System Comparison
« on: February 07, 2013, 04:01:48 PM »
Ugh, so I'm about to get the worst performing combination - 6d (even less sharp than 5d2/5d3) and the Tamron :-o ... but on the bright side that's also cheaper, I'm not going to shoot the Tamron @f2.8 all the time and I'm reading that

The real bottom line here is that there are no losers. The resolution numbers all of these combinations show are nothing short of amazing. For example, all three zooms are equal to, or slightly better than, the superb Zeiss 50mm f/2 Makro Planar at equal apertures on the same camera."

As it is now, I am very tempted to sell my 5D2 to fund the 6D, it's that much more usable to me.

I applaud Canon's effort with the 6d as they managed to adapt their current "legacy" tech to meet customer's expectations = low iso noise and a bit more dr. But don't forget the 6d is also less sharp since obviously it has more forced nr than the 5d3 - so for comparisons the 5d2/5d3 images have to be downscaled a bit and then nr'ed to match the 6d's sharpness. The improved banding reducton is a clear, non debatable plus though.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: TAMRON'S thinking about making FAST PRIMES
« on: February 07, 2013, 12:31:42 PM »
Imho there will be a lot of demand for 3rd party primes in the future. Canon has the recent strange IS primes, and the upcoming L primes at "triple the price" will be targeted at the high mp eos1 tba 2014 - so the traditional market is up for grabs.

Canon General / Re: What's your definition of "Pro"?
« on: February 07, 2013, 12:21:41 PM »
So what exactly does it mean to be professional in your opinion? We know it's not the gear alone. Is it the making money off of your skill? Paid jobs? Making a living? Is it simply having skill and experience? What do you all think?

In addition to the things about income written above, imho it's a mostly a different perspective - either you do it for fun and invest accordingly ("that gear will be fun/interesting to use and I look forward to the results") or you think of it like a business ("what gear is required to do the job and will I get a return of invest").

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Likely Price Trend
« on: February 07, 2013, 11:09:02 AM »
Wow, fast drop.  $1630 for the 6D these days.

You seem to be living in a very different part of the world than us good ol' Europeans - in Germany it's still around €1800 and looking at the price trend I don't see any huge drops coming soon, the "premium company" Canon product might stay €200 above the Nikon d600 price.

I bought myself a Ready NAS, Which runs in X-Raid2 because both of my hdd´s were erased like if you get it new and don´t know why, I restored als my data transferred it to the Nas wher one Hdd mirrors the other

This tread is very old, but before anyone believes that using nas/raid for data safety: It does protect you from *hardware* failure, but it doesn't from *software* or *user* error. If you accidentally erase some folders of files (most common disaster cause) a raid setup won't protect you, only an independent backup will. So raid is for high availability, but not necessarily for data safety.

Lighting / Re: An open letter to Canon regarding the Canon RT system
« on: February 05, 2013, 08:16:11 PM »
It was a shortsighted strategy on Canon's part.

It's a well known problem long-term strategic benefits don't show in quarterly profit reports, and many shareholders are only interested in short-term stock profits.

But I agree what Canon is currently doing isn't very clever, they're risking even their recent "Canon is expensive, but best" image by releasing half-baked products like the 600rt flash "system" or the 6d camera. But the recent interview with their exec suggests they know by now they have to do innovate a bit more than just adding radio tech to the 580ex or re-releasing the 5d2 as the 6d...

Lenses / Re: VC on the 24-70 f/2.8 VC
« on: February 05, 2013, 08:09:34 PM »
so you don't have to pay for return shipping in case you got the bad copy.

Amazon doesn't take return shipping fees (I just exchanged a bad 17-40L copy), but for the Tamron I'll indeed buy it at a local store where I can return it immediately w/o waiting for a few days. At least testing the 17-40L with a chart and reading these threads I am confident I can tell if it's a "good" or "bad" copy.

Lenses / Re: VC on the 24-70 f/2.8 VC
« on: February 05, 2013, 07:38:06 PM »
I can tell you mine (which is a great copy)

Thanks! So I'm currently not feeling "not buyers-remorse" because I waited to long to decide between the Tamron and the Canon if the recent Tamron lenses now work with the 6d and have less issues :-)

Tamrons quality control people is sleeping at their job.

I'd rather think Tamron made the conscious decision to cut costs on qc, sell the lens at a lower price but add free lens (and lens-body) adjustment plus a 6 year warranty - which is an overall plus if you know how to look for a good sample.

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