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if canon could surprise us with better specs and same price.. but it won't. let's see what they come up with..

It's really not about the core specs but about the complete set including firmware features and handling - but only a real review will tell us in a couple of month when the real hardware is here (if ever).

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Magic Lantern Firmware - Good or Bad?
« on: September 13, 2012, 07:13:29 AM »
Had a couple of glitches after upgrading to v2.3 though nothing specific enough to call a bug.

Please report all problems to the forum and help development, even if you cannot pinpoint the exactly. If a couple of people give a vague impression, the devs can triangulate the real problem. You can post feature requests, too, if you fell there are regressions in the feature set.

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Technology prices are supposed to get cheaper - but not in Canon's case, it is most definitely bucking a very long trend without any supporting evidence except greed!

Economists tell us there's nothing wrong with greed.

But concerning tech advance, if everything would keep getting cheaper a tech company would be selling everything for $100 in some time. Instead they re-invest the money saved from tech advance into better products - and the 5d3 would have been if it'd have had the price of the 5d2 on release.

so the cheapest d600 i can find for the UK is £1800($2900)  which is £300 less than for the 5dm3

All now products have an early adopter's premium on it, the d600 will drop a couple of hundred whatever after a few month and you'll get better prices from competitive dealers once enough d600 are on the shelves.

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EOS Bodies / Re: whats going to be better?
« on: September 13, 2012, 05:14:22 AM »
As far it seems to be dependent on the digics amount: 1 digic - works, 2 digics - doesn't work.

Yes, and I guess ml will work on the 6d - *if* Canon doesn't decide to disable the boot flag mechanism to run 3rd party firmware, they could very well to that to add a secret feature to the 5d3. Canon could also enforce a digital signature on firmware-on-card so only they can use it for development or debugging.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D600 $2700 MSRP??
« on: September 13, 2012, 05:11:46 AM »
Not sure I'd buy it at that, but too close to the 5DIII if it goes any higher.

Canon is in a dilemma here. Of course they'll discontinue the 5d2 (the name 5d3 alone states that), they just kept it around because they raised the 5d3 price tag so high to make money from early adopters.

But the pricing of the 6d will show how Canon expects the 5d3 to develop, because the gap cannot be too large if the 6d hasn't got any distinct features like built-in flash or flip out screen.

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EOS Bodies / Re: whats going to be better?
« on: September 13, 2012, 05:07:31 AM »
MagicLantern! One BIG reason for 5D2 to stay for a little while longer ;D

Indeed - or wait until the ml devs at least determine if ml will run on the 6d at all, or you may be in for a big disappointment (like the 7d). Magic Lantern is the one reason to stay w/ Canon for me.

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Price is based from Amazon:
Canon 5D Mark III + 24-70 II --> $3500+$2300 = $5800
Nikon D600 + 24-70 + 14-24 --> $2100 + $1900 + $2000 = $6000

Please don't calculate these things, it's depressing. Though the Amazon prices aren't the lowest for Canon, at least the 5d3 can be gotten much cheaper and will further drop in price once the 6d is out.

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Canon doesn't just set their prices based on the (supposed) superiority of a competitor's product. They set prices based on their own production costs.

I'm quite sure you're wrong here - their production costs have nothing to do with it, I doubt they can even figure them out considering the r&d involved that has to be returned, too. The price is simply as high as they can get away with it w/o loosing too much market share, and whey the early adopters got the products they'll lower the price according to demand (that might be official or vendor rebates, too).

But with 4 Nik bodies already on hand I can certainly wait to see what Canon's response will be and how each of these new "budget" FF bodies perform on the test charts.

My 2 cents: $2000+ certainly isn't "budget", for this price I expect a quality product even though of course they won't cannibalize the 5d3.

No AF micro adjust. Max flash sync 1/200s. Max shutter speed 1/4000s.+

Well, 1/4000s certainly is enough for 99% of my shots. The 5d series only has 1/200, too - doesn't matter much because of hss though. But no afma is rather impertinent on a camera with this price tag, I guess it's cut to prevent people buying 3rd party lenses that often need adjustment.

This new D600 still doesn't sway me enough to trade out of my 5D3.
you are not the brightest bulb around if you even considered that.

The real question is: What would you buy  for the same price - a 6d with a new 24-70 mk2 or a 5d3 with a Tamron 24-70? Yeah, right. But this is just theory because the 5d3 will freefall once enough quantities of the 6d are on the market and it isn't too crippled.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Magic Lantern Firmware - Good or Bad?
« on: September 12, 2012, 01:54:35 PM »
Ha!  I have paid once for the latest version for my 5D2.  I may paid it again when ML has the final (stable) release for 5D3.

Create a login in the forum, write them a mail and they'll add you to the "supporter" group giving you access.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Magic Lantern Firmware - Good or Bad?
« on: September 12, 2012, 01:03:52 PM »
Too bad, a error message on that page.

You have to be a supporter (i.e. pay some $$$ once) to get early access, or compile it yourself. But if you want a stable, feature-complete ml release on the 5d3 you'll have to wait some month anyway, this one is just the first alpha.

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I feel another topic of 5D3 price.  Many people think the price is too high and expect the price will drop.

I think the 24-70ii will get more praise even considering the price. Lenses last longer than camera bodies, and the zoom might replace a couple of primes if you're not shooting wide open but want primes for sharpness only. The problem with the 5d3 is that Canon is living in Canon universe, while Nikon and Sony are a tough competition with their sensors - but they have nothing to offer like this lens.

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EOS Bodies / Re: More Canon EOS 6D Specs Surface [CR1]
« on: September 12, 2012, 11:23:59 AM »
So that's my speculation.   I'm hoping to be pleaseantly surprised!

Maybe we should do a poll on this ... imho it'll be a lot less than $2500 because once the 6d is released, the 5d3 priced will drop because of falling demand of people wanting a current ff camera but not willing to pay $3000+ ... Canon will not make the same 5d3 mistake again to price a comparable or inferior product much higher than the competition.

Is there any likelihood this fantastic camera would have a built-in wireless flash controller?? that would be soooo awesome

I don't think so - first then it'll be a tougher competition for the 5d3 with the need for an expensive and bulky wireless controller, and most important it might note be that easy to put a wireless controller into a rather solid camera body frame w/o sacrificing transmitting power and range.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Magic Lantern Firmware - Good or Bad?
« on: September 12, 2012, 10:15:36 AM »
Agreed. Especially by now, unless you're living on the bleeding edge, should be just fine.


Speaking of bleeding edge: ml alpha for 5d3 is out :-) ... but this is the kind that can brick your camera, unlike the very stable release versions. Still: "Good news, everyone!" ... http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=2602.0

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EOS Bodies / Re: *UPDATE* More Canon EOS 6D Specs Surface [CR1]
« on: September 12, 2012, 07:05:35 AM »
A full frame with ONLY 12800 iso??? :o :o  If it will be so, NO thanks! Save money for the 5D mk3...

I'd be ok with this limitation if the iso 12800 is the same as on the 5d3 - I cannot imagine shooting at higher iso values anyway.

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What Canon lists their price and and what actually gets charged is completely different.

I don't know about the US, but in Germany the street retail price of current Canon products unfortunately is near the list price, maybe a couple of €100 or so off depending on how shady the dealer is - but certainly not "completely different" :-o

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