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Lenses / Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« on: September 04, 2012, 03:57:46 AM »
If the 24-70II is anything like the 70-200 2.8II, then we'll have another instant success.

Well, it isn't because it hasn't got IS :-o ... but I am absolutely curious how it does, too and if "expensive must be stellar" is true.

Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Has Made its Way To Retailers
« on: September 04, 2012, 03:17:09 AM »
The MTF of the 24-70L I shows that it's better than the 35L

I have to ask this: am I missing something, are the first reviews up? Charts are all fine, but for month people have been stating how great the 24-70ii just because it's that expensive and lacks IS (so iq has to be even better). And afaik one problem of the mk1 was bad quality control and there were many mediocre lenses around, but no one has compared the mk2 samples for duds - but again, because of $2000 qc has to be stellar?

I'd advise some caution, though even I am considering the new 24-70 because yesterday I realized again how important a fast and precise af is (like on my 70-300L)...

Lighting / Re: EX600RT with 7D and 60D HSS
« on: September 03, 2012, 05:00:48 PM »
I am reading some posts on POTN where they are stating that they are getting HSS with the older cameras in radio mode but I am concerned if they are using them indoors that perhaps optical mode is being used by the flashes and the users are mistakenly assuming radio mode is still working.  Any observations here regarding this issue?

I don't know the POTN threads, but with the 600rt it's pretty easy to see what protocol you're using, so it's likely they're correct. It's just that the 60d/7d menus don't support the radio settings and you have to change them on the flashes (which is easier and faster anyway with the great display of the 600rt). You just have to be sure to enable hss sync on the flashes, though I really don't understand why Canon made this step necessary. But someone with two 600rt and a 7d/60d should confirm this - if such a person exists :-)

Lighting / Re: Buying a Canon Speedlite 430 EX II - Advice Needed
« on: September 03, 2012, 03:33:08 PM »
The 430EXII does Hi Speed sync also. It does not work as a master but with his 60D he doesn't need one right now. And the 430 can be on the receiving end wirelessly and still do Hi Speed Sync - either within the Canon system (optical trigger) or with third-party ETTL triggers such as the Phottix or Pocket Wizard solutions.

Omg people, are you trying to confuse the poor op on purpose :-p ? Since I have a 60d, 600rt and 430ex2 let me state this:

The 430ex2 does remote hss, but *not* with the pop-up flash of the camera as a master, you need a "real" 580ex-type master for this. That's why I won't miss the pop-up flash not that much once I get around to buy a 5d. The 430ex2 of course does hss when mounted on the hotshoe, but as explained above cannot control other flashes thanks to Canon marketing.

Either way...that would put usable ISO 204800 a good 8-10 years away at the earliest, or about two to two and a half product cycles.

Btw: "usable" is very vague, because the dynamic range decreases with higher iso speeds. So even if the noise is still acceptable, with the current models you can get blown out highlights much faster. Happened yesterday to me when using the 60d @iso3200 for action shots in bright sunlight and hard shadows, even 100% recovery in Lightroom doesn't help all the time. Last not least, color rendition gets worse, too.

Lighting / Re: Buying a Canon Speedlite 430 EX II - Advice Needed
« on: September 03, 2012, 03:04:18 AM »
So the downside of 430 EX II is i wont be able to trigger it (when not mounted on the camera body) if used with a 7D, 5D right? In order to be able to trigger it externally, I will need an additional speedlite/device hooked with the 7d/5D body?

... you can use the built-in flash of any recent Canon camera (= not the 5d, it hasn't got a flash) to trigger the 430ex remotely by optical infrared connection. Esp. Outdoors the flash cannot be behind the camera, too far away or hidden behind objects and the sun mustn't shine too bright. The new radio tech of the 600rt solves theses limitations.

... you cannot use high speed sync with the 430ex as a remote flash and the built-in as a master. This means you are limited to 1/250s (7d, 60d) x-sync and cannot use the flashes for fill in sunlight with faster shutter speeds. Using a 580ex/600rt as a master solves this.

Whoever will benefit from such a high ISO...  :o

I think there will be a significant iso gain in the future, that's because Canon cut IS from their new 24-70ii - and that lens is designed to be sold for a long time to come as it's their new "standard" zoom. And the Canon techs will have more knowledge of future possibilities than us mere mortals.

Lighting / Re: Buying a Canon Speedlite 430 EX II - Advice Needed
« on: September 02, 2012, 04:28:02 AM »
For nearly 4 years I had the 430 EXII and it served me very well ... it is a very good flash and it will work very well with the 60D ... You can use the built in pop-up flash of 60D as the master to wirelessly trigger the 430 EX II and you do not require any "additional hardware/device to be able to do that". But if you plan on upgrading to 5D MK III (and have the budget) you may want to consider the awesome 600EX-RT

I used a 430ex2 on my 60d too, and now upgraded to the 600rt (more power, 200mm reflector, faster recycle time, external power pack supply option, fec dial and other settings on the flash). But as a beginner, the 430ex2 is a very nice option because it's smaller and lighter than the 580ex-types and thus I sometimes still use it as my hot-shoe flash if it's sufficient, and a lot as a remote optical slave with the 600rt as master.

So unless you want to use the new radio protocol in the future (= no misfires in bright sunlight, remote flashes can be much more distant and hidden behind objects) you can't go wrong with the 430ex2 as your first flash and use it as a remote slave with the 60d, too. After you figured out how much you like flash photography you can make a sound decision what to purchase next. The one big drawback with the "built-in flash" as master and the 430ex2 as slave is that you cannot use "high speed sync" and are limited to 1/250s x-sync.

Lighting / Re: Batteries for Canon EX 600 RT...
« on: September 02, 2012, 04:18:25 AM »
I ordered to test some Powerex that are 2700mAh. I hope they are as good as they say they are. Ordered some Eneloop too.

"Hope" is the correct word - the mAh rating is mostly marketing, good 2000 mAh batteries likely have more power than cheap 2500 mAh ones - or at least the "super batteries" will be below "standard" ones after a few charge cycles. That's because few people will measure how much power there is in their shiny new batteries and then return it to the store. So that's +1 for Eneloop, too, I also use them in my 600rt.

Lenses / Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« on: September 02, 2012, 04:09:58 AM »
B&H are listing the 24-70mm II as arriving on Sept 13th.

... as limited quantity for pre-order, so for the first month or so all lenses might be used to serve back-orders. It's not only a shame Canon pushed the release date time and time again, but even more so that it's still pure speculation when the lens will be available in sufficient quantities. Since Canon doesn't say anything about that, I fear for the worst ...

Lenses / Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« on: August 31, 2012, 05:58:19 PM »
Sometime I wondering if Canon & Nikon deliberately "tinker" with their firmware updates to make third party lenses not to auto focus quicker or introduce some other bug to basically not make them work as well as they should. I say this because two years ago I had Tamron 18-50 f/2.8 OS that used to work brilliantly with my EOS 60D but once I updated my firmware the lens became slower at auto focusing.

From Canon's and Nikon's perspective, "work as well as they should" means "not at all" because at least Canon to my knowledge makes no effort at all to help 3rd party gear work. On the contrary - with each new body or protocol update you might be out of luck, and of course this is a major selling point for "original" gear.

But this is the first time I've head someone say Canon but regressions in their firmware deliberately - but it's known to happen, remember how Microsoft drove Novell out of the DOS business by engineering false warnings into Windows 3.1. Years later and having seen the source code courts decided against MS, but too late for Novell to recover...

Lenses / Re: *UPDATE* Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Pushed Back to October?
« on: August 31, 2012, 03:19:13 PM »
most of my vacations are in a tour bus, sightseeing new places and it is convenient to have IS ... that is the reason why I like 24-105 L IS ...

Sounds like you could be better off w/ the more flexible 24-105 and a real fast 1.4 prime anyway? Or the newer light primes with IS. Truth is for travel a 24-70 might not cut it due to the small zoom range. But still no excuse for Canon to cut IS from the 24-70, that's why I believe they have an IS version in the pipeline, too.

Lenses / Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« on: August 31, 2012, 10:54:45 AM »
So I need to to experiment some more.

And while you're at it :-) and seeing that you have a 5d3: The Tamron seems to emulate a lens code that enables it to be in "group a" af with the new 24-70ii ... the question is if the Tamron's af is still precise, even if its sharpness is more like the Canon mk1 which is in a lower category.

Lenses / Re: *UPDATE* Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Pushed Back to October?
« on: August 31, 2012, 10:19:09 AM »
If I am traveling I want IS because I will not allocate enough time to make sure the picture comes out perfect and I am not likely to be at my steadiest since I am trying to pack as much fun into the trip as possible.

For this purpose, the Tamron 24-70 should do fine, too - at least it's $1000 cheaper and thus it's only half the catastrophe if it gets damaged.

I start wondering if it would not be a bad idea to let the first batch go when it becomes available....

For once, I have to speak up for Canon: obviously they delayed the lens the last time due to beta testers' feedback (whatever that was), and given the total delay anything other than a 100% perfect qc would be a total marketing disaster.

The one possibility is that the cps samples they're shipping now are hand-picked and there might be another slight delay for the normal customer - say until September 2013 or so :-p

Lenses / Re: *UPDATE* Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Pushed Back to October?
« on: August 31, 2012, 06:33:56 AM »
If you have a 60D get the EF-S 17-55 2.8 IS lens instead of the EF 24-70 II (or get the Tamron if you want IS).

Of course, only hardcore enthusiasts would want to get a 24-70 exclusively for a crop camera... but the problem with the 17-55 is that it's not sealed and you can't use it when you upgrade to ff.

But I think that 24-70 mm is not a good range for APS-C.

... but if you have a ff/crop camera mix, the 24-70 range imho isn't that bad - the wide end may be limiting sometimes, but on the long end many tele zooms start at 70mm so an overlap like with the 24-105 is convenient, but not necessary.

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