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Lenses / Re: Post your 24-70 II Experiences Here
« on: September 09, 2012, 08:56:22 AM »
For some reason nobody wants to do that.

A real review of the changed production version takes time, it isn't sufficient to shoot a brick wall and then say "Well, it's sharp alright". Esp. the changed af system on the mk2 and its interaction with the newer 1dx/5d3 af and for comparison the 5d2 af system needs someone skilled to do it - and in addition to that, a good review should compare more than one lens sample.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« on: September 09, 2012, 08:01:14 AM »
My ideal package for 6D would be: 5D Mk III/1D-X/new sensor, 7D AF and 7D metring, 7D build, Digic 5/5+, 3.5-4.5 fps, AFMA.

... and of course there's planned obsolescence even with high-priced products as digital camera bodies and lenses (24-70 IS anyone?) :-(

If Canon would release the one you described it not artificially limit it by firmware it would be a sales hit and saturate the dslr market for years to come. That's fine for the next quarterly sales figures, but produces a mid-term problem if Canon tries to market the next successor - they have this problem w/ the 5d2 which is just too good and feature-complete to make the 5d3 @$3500 competitive. Imho that's why they didn't put a better sensor in the 5d3 btw, this time they upgrade the body specs (fps, af), next time it's the sensor again like 5dc->5d2.

And Canon's strategy seems to be to make money from selling camera bodies, the alternative of selling cheaper bodies and then hope for L lens sales is tricky because of the good 3rd party manufacturers.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« on: September 09, 2012, 06:50:17 AM »
feck it with the camera name, just reveal the specs already! and for october release please!!

I don't care when they reveal the specs, but when they *deliver* the camera - think of the 24-70ii - and Canon might be very well inclined to market specs before the camera is ready to counter the Nikon d600 at least on paper. That's because every day a 6d isn't there people will buy a 5d3 because they think the 5d2 is too old and they bite the bullet and go for the current 5d model.

Well, I dont want to start 5D Mk III vs D800 flame war again.

Keep your breath for the upcoming 6d vs d600 flame war - $2000 touch flip screen plastic crippled amateurish camera vs $1500 semipro body ... or maybe canon has learned something from the 5d3 marketing disaster? Let's hope so.

And its not all about sensor, processors counts too...

... but most of all, the whole package counts and not just the core tech specs you find on a data sheet. If the usability is amateurish like xxxd and the firmware is crippled w/ with most customization options gone the camera is positioned in another market segment. Think of the "metering linked to af point" that is on the 1dx, but not on the 5d3 - surely just for marketing purposes since the af unit is the same.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« on: September 08, 2012, 01:56:25 PM »
Flip flash like xxD and 7D?  Or does this FF prevent flip flash like others?  :(
No, pop up flashes do work just fine for commander mode and fill flash

Often the pop-up flash is even better than a full flash on hotshoe because the optical axis is nearer the lens axis and unless you produce red eyes the drop shadow is smaller.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« on: September 08, 2012, 12:56:23 PM »
Hopefully we will know a lot more soon.

Same with me and the 5d3 price tag - and we'll both know sooner or later how much suffering and saving money it takes to buy it anyway eventually after the "entry-level ff" specs show that it's a consumer-oriented camera with lots of features cut.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« on: September 08, 2012, 12:26:42 PM »
Basically I want a 5D II with the 7D's AF.

It's called 5d3, well, ok it has 1dx's af but this is just for economical reasons to produce the af unit in quantities, with a 7d-af type it wouldn't be any cheaper. The 5d3 really is the camera people asked for, the problem is that they should have sold it at $2500 and not $3500.

announced Nikon D600 which is rumoured to be at a price point of around $1500.

I don't think so - a really usable Nikon ff that is able to compete with pro bodies like the older d700 will be around $2000, too. But Nikon marketing sure has a great time scaring Canon :-)

EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Magic Lantern on the 5D Mark III
« on: September 08, 2012, 03:15:38 AM »
I know they had problems with the dual processors ... there's a long explanation on the website.  Maybe they've overcome things.

No, they haven't  - ml doesn't run on dual-digic cameras (1dx, 7d) and all attempts to start user code have failed. But fortunately the 5d3 is single-digic only and very close to the 5d2.

EDIT: The ml alpha for 5d3 is out :-) ..

EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Magic Lantern on the 5D Mark III
« on: September 07, 2012, 08:08:43 PM »
Fyi: A magic lantern alpha will be probably out next week with limited feature set, so work is progressing successfully. And the devs are researching the possibility to overclock the 5d3 and use other codecs to get 1080p/60 or 720p/120 :-) ... though it's no way certain it'll work. But the digic5 seems to have more power to play with than the old cpu.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: A potential Tamron 24-70 problem
« on: September 07, 2012, 08:03:55 PM »
As Roger says, they are harder on gear than most, but, just something to keep an eye out for.

Ouch, usually I'm all in favor for more competition from 3rd party gear, but for a $1000 lens Tamron should have done better than that. Canon will be happy, more people willing to pay no matter what for the 24-70 mk2 as this will be the only alternative in production...

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« on: September 07, 2012, 07:59:39 PM »
Seriously, does anyone believe in 6D? All of these have been anonymous web "tips", aka wishful thinking. Canon will not release a cheap FF until either 5D3 sales stop, or Nikon officially releases and proves that cheap FF will take off enough to make money.

Canon might very well preempt Nikon this time, and after all they named the 5d3 as it is because it replaces the 5d2 and not because they'll produce the predecessor forever.

The simple fact is that the pressure from below (all the aps-c with the current 18mp sensor) is building up, so Canon has to do something in the $2000 region. They cannot come up with an really improved aps-c sensor, that's why they released the hyped 7d firmware update to keep it alive. So they have to do something in the 5d2 ff region or lower the 5d3 price significantly - unfortunately, the latter is unlikely.

For me, the only question is how dumbed-down a 6d will be - plastic body, much less customizations, no c on the dial, no afma :-> ?

Lenses / Re: The First Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
« on: September 07, 2012, 07:51:38 PM »
After watching the video, I see no reason (other than weight) for me to replace my Mark I with the Mark II version.

Let's hope many people think like you and the mk2 price drops under $2000 asap :-p

Lenses / Re: Post your 24-70 II Experiences Here
« on: September 07, 2012, 05:39:37 PM »
Thanks Axilrod, however I was requesting MST to post a pic of the star flare/ bokeh that he did not like in the new lens.

I'd be interested, too, but he also wrote that it concerns f16-f22 - and the 24-70 is an open aperture event lens, not a replacement for the 24mm tse landscape lens...

Lenses / Re: The First Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
« on: September 07, 2012, 05:37:55 PM »
I dare to say... did he have a great copy of the Mk. 1, or are the differences negligible? Looking at the review one  would conclude that the mk.1 is the way to go at 60% of the price... is this true though?

The difference is there if you use the mk2 with the new af system of the 5d3 or 1dx. For any other camera body, the mk1 might be as good - and the zoom design with the protective lens hood of the mk1 seems more attractive to me, btw.

EOS Bodies / Re: More Photokina Chatter [CR1]
« on: September 07, 2012, 05:11:59 PM »
Actually, if you check the rumor again, he says that the sensor is most often cited as 22mp. I really can't imagine them doing the R&D for a whole new sensor for a cheaper camera.

Me neither - but I can imagine them tweaking the existing sensor a bit so that the nominal mp count is somewhat lower than 22mp for the tech data sheets. They did the reverse strategy for the 21mp 5d2->5d3, and that's no sensor redesign either.

Or maybe they really added live view like on the 650d, that might eat up some pixels that wouldn't count for still shots? Quite possible, because that's a tech where Canon has an edge unlike Nikon in iso/dr.

EOS Bodies / Re: More Photokina Chatter [CR1]
« on: September 07, 2012, 12:27:59 PM »
Losing my optimism for a FF pro body (7D/5D build, layout).   I sure hope touch screen doesn't mean flip screen too.

There's really nothing wrong with a flip screen, it doesn't have any drawbacks except having the amateur image.

But the problem w/ touchscreen, a flip screen, a new 20mp sensor (I guess w/ video af like on the 650d) is that Canon will make sure to cripple the camera so much that enthusiasts or professionals are only left with the 5d3 to buy. Canon releasing a cheaper ff is not because they're throwing money away on purpose, but because they cannot produce a better crop sensor than the current 18mp and this sensor is in so cheap camera bodies by now that the pressure from below has gotten too high by internal and external competition, i.e. the Nikon d600.

And for the same reason they gave the 7d the hyped firmware upgrade - there's more air left in the ff sensors, but on crop Canon might be stuck with video af and the like until they develop or buy new sensor tech raising iso capability and dynamic range.

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