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EOS Bodies / Re: Skipping the 5D-s. What do you want in 5D4?
« on: February 04, 2015, 12:24:39 PM »
The 5D-s will be $4k and a premium studio camera. Great for those who have the need and Canon responded in a way to the two year old D800.

For those who aren't going to buy this camera, what does canon need to do in the 5D4 to consider an upgrade? Assuming that the 5D4 will have no less specs than the 5D-s, What else need to be added on?

My list.

1. All Crosstype AF
2. Linked AF Point Spot Metering? (May be in 5D-s)
3. 1/250th Sync speed bump.
4. Bump to 7-8 FPS.
5. Dual CF
6. DPAF
7. 4K
8. Touchscreen
9. Peaking and Zebra
10. RAW 1080P Video or 4K if possible. (ML managed to do it. Canon can.)
11. IQ, Resolution Bump from 22MP to Anything below 40MP.
12. $3499.

1. Agreed, all cross type would be nice, maybe some dual crosses towards the edges of the frame.
2. Agreed.
3. Agreed.
4. I rarely burst with mine, but sure.
5. Agreed.
6. Don't care, would prefer other developments (on dye ADC, wider bit depth, etc), but if dual diodes per pixel don't hinder sensor performance, sure.
7. Meh, but sure, provided the thermal design is adequate.
8. Meh, but sure.
9. Meh, but sure. Seems like an easy software addition.
10. Meh, but sure, provided the thermal design is adequate.
11. Agreed, and see 6.
12. $3498 :P

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A. The change-between-servo-and-one-shot button should be a persistent toggle, rather than needing to be constantly depressed. Better yet, two dedicated AF-ON buttons.
B. Crop modes for when I am reach limited and don't want to waste storage capacity on pixels I know I'll be cropping.
C. Add more "C" modes to the dial in place of the P and [A+]. Better yet, a 1D-style interface.
D. RGB Metering.
E. 1Dx-style AF display in the viewfinder.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Who is going to buy the new 5Ds's?
« on: February 04, 2015, 09:22:47 AM »
I'm tentatively interested, but as was mentioned it's largely price dependent.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: February 03, 2015, 11:07:39 PM »
And we are well past the age of not understanding radio

Tell that to Apple circa 2010 :P

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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: February 03, 2015, 06:04:56 PM »
CF card is a pro feature you say.

You have to admire these marketing people - how do they manage to make cf appear "pro" and a swivel screen or pop-up flash "amateur"?  With these markers, they don't even need to legitimize why a certain product costs xyz €/$ because every customer immediately sees how "pro" it is, i.e. how much worth it has to have.

The crazy thing is, they don't even have to do anything. The customers themselves arbitrarily decide that certain features are not "pro." Look at the negative comments that get generated anytime someone suggests that a $3,000 camera ought to be at least as functional and connected as a cell phone – ability to navigate menus by touch screen, connectivity to the internet, basic photo editing functions – all things that would make life easily and offer more options for professionals, but whenever someone suggests that on this site, you get comment after comment from users who refuse to evolve.

I'm all for value-added software features (basic editing, for example), provided they don't bog down the system or otherwise impede my usage (Lightroom seemed to get noticeably slower when they added things like the Book module, but it may have been a coincidence).

I don't mind features like GPS, but I have no need for them and therefore no desire to pay for them, and since I would (were they included), I prefer they be left off :P

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EOS Bodies / Re: POLL: Price of 5Ds
« on: February 03, 2015, 04:27:08 PM »
The 1Ds enjoyed a $2000-$3000 or so premium over the 1D.

Hard to see why Canon won't do the same for the 5Ds.

Canon realized 230% as many APS-H sensors per wafer versus Full Frame. That certainly played into the price. With 5D vs 5Ds, it's apples to apples.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: February 03, 2015, 03:14:14 PM »
With computers, you have the enthusiasts/geeks (like me) who care which chipset they use let alone processor manufacturer. With cameras, you have enthusiasts/geeks (like me) who are interested in architecture and low-level performance.

Sure, I used to build my own computers, choosing which mainboard with what chipset and whatnot to assemble - but nowadays it's all so generic that it's hardly worth it and imho only a few geeks are left with some brand attachment.

Every time I go to upgrade, I wonder if the time has come that it's cheaper to buy a ready-made system. In my experience (most recent build being several months ago), it's not. It's still cheaper to assemble you own, given equivalent components. Naturally, it comes with the potentially painful process of determining exactly what isn't working, and the annoying return trip to Fry's (or UPS) to return it.

I don't have any brand attachment. In the past 5 years I've used Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, and EVGA motherboards; I've used Antec, PC Power & Cooling, and Corsair power supplies; I've used EVGA, XFX, Sapphire, and Asus video cards; I've used Patriot, Corsair, and Crucial memory. Spinning hard drives go to the best bang for the buck; SSDs I tend towards Samsung but also have Patriot. However, all my processors have been Intel. There's practically no competition at the performance level. There used to be.

Except that in this case the big company is Sony. Perhaps it is the other way around, and the sleeping giant that was awoken is Sony, not Canon. Canon are more like AMD and will probably go the same way.

Sony is certainly a big company, but in this market they're AMD to Canon's Intel.

Is it an entirely sound analogy? Certainly not. But may the "throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" type of competition spur the production side of Canon to get together with the R&D side of Canon? Maybe. Hopefully.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: February 03, 2015, 02:35:37 PM »
Canon might be a big, slow company, but when they feel truly threatened, they put the hammer down.
Shades of when AMD finally woke the guys at Intel up, and Intel acted decisively.

I don't think computer cpus and digital camera systems are comparable: With each new computer customers buy, they don't care what's inside and chose the best offer. With dslr systems, when customers jump ship they probably do it for a longer time, so to turn the Canon supertanker around it'll take more than some nice new releases.

Canon will have to show the market and their shareholders that they are willing and able to compete for the next couple of technology iterations and into the mirrorless era... having a large market share doesn't protect you forever. In Canon's favor is that dslrs aren't their singular point of sale, unless some other former market leaders...


With computers, you have the enthusiasts/geeks (like me) who care which chipset they use let alone processor manufacturer. With cameras, you have enthusiasts/geeks (like me) who are interested in architecture and low-level performance.

With computers, you have generic users who care about price and what's bundled. With cameras, you have generic users who care about price and what's bundled.

Corporations like Canon mostly have to cater to the generic user; there aren't enough geeks.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: February 03, 2015, 02:29:18 PM »
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It's rumored that Sony is going to be making a huge power play soon, so Canon might finally be scared of their rabid market share grabbing. Canon might be a big, slow company, but when they feel truly threatened, they put the hammer down.

Shades of when AMD finally woke the guys at Intel up, and Intel acted decisively. If we're at a point where the established companies start feeling threatened, that's probably good thing.

And AMD has not done terribly well ever since.

Not in the desktop market anyway. I believe they do okay with their acquisition of ATi, although there too they play second fiddle (to nVidia).

Regardless, the point was that Intel for years just kinda sat around adding a 20 more 30% more cycles per second with each iteration. Then AMD introduced the Athlon and carved up a bit of the market. That's really what lit a fire under Intel, and since they've been putting out innovative products.

We can hope that something similar will happen in digital cameras.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: February 03, 2015, 01:45:57 PM »
Canon has planned 2015 to be a wall-to-wall new product marketing nuclear bomb. It's aggressive and I love it.

Ok...I'd love to see it....maybe this is Canon just being uber aggressive and trying to suck all the air out of CP+.  But, it is certainly a break from recent history.

It's rumored that Sony is going to be making a huge power play soon, so Canon might finally be scared of their rabid market share grabbing. Canon might be a big, slow company, but when they feel truly threatened, they put the hammer down.

Shades of when AMD finally woke the guys at Intel up, and Intel acted decisively. If we're at a point where the established companies start feeling threatened, that's probably good thing.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: February 03, 2015, 12:53:17 PM »
But if true, why is Canon doing it this way?

New strategy?

Check out this post:

Canon is finally acting on their deep DSLR sales troubles..
[snip]
My notes from the conference call:
Plan to introduce more DSLR camera models than previous years to stimulate additional demand in this segment.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Big Announcements Coming Next Week [CR3]
« on: February 03, 2015, 11:48:39 AM »

KR says: "12 channel parallel readout."

He also says 1080/60p, 7 FPS, ISO 100-16,000, and some other stuff that doesn't match any of the other rumor sites. Shrug, it's all guesswork at this point.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Rumored 5D MP count
« on: February 03, 2015, 10:40:29 AM »
1024 * 50.6 = 53m

Actually, that's 51.8k :P

What you meant to say was:

50.6MPixel * 1024^2Pixel/MPixel =53,057,946 Pixels, which they'll divide by an even million for marketing statistics. Same game hard drive and memory manufacturers play.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Mirrorless vs. DSLR
« on: February 03, 2015, 09:23:30 AM »
So... what is your opinion to this? Which is better? Will DSLRs die?


Currently, I prefer optical view finders to electronic. As processing power increases, I presume they will eventually be (mostly) indistinguishable from a lag perspective. At the point, EVF will have some significant advantages, including what information it can be programmed to display, accurate DOF, etc.. OVF will still have the power advantage (notwithstanding the overlays, it doesn't always need to be on during use).

Currently, I prefer dedicated phase detect AF sensors. Contrast detection done on sensor is slow, hybrid is little better. I haven't yet used a DPAF camera, so I don't know how they feel (though I believe they'd need to be quad rather than dual to do phase in multiple directions).

Will SLRs die? Probably not. Will they become niche like 35mm film? Probably, but not in the near term.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The most important feature missing from the 5Ds/5DsR is...
« on: February 02, 2015, 03:02:27 PM »
And yes CF cards are fast, but sd will be cheaper to run in the long run.

You get what you pay for. If I could have dual CF in my 5D bodies, I'd take it in a heartbeat.

And damn you Canon for calling this the 5Ds, as now I have to write "5D bodies" rather than simply pluralizing 5D.

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EOS Bodies / Re: POLL: Is the new 50mp sensor Canon or Sony?
« on: February 02, 2015, 02:58:16 PM »
My guess is it's a Canon sensor, but it wouldn't shock me if they partnered with Sony.

I wonder how much of their signal circuitry would have to change to work with an on-sensor ADC. I can't imagine it's as simple as removing a handful of analog components and going straight to digital amplifiers, but maybe it is.

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