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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5D 4 & 1DX II @ Photokina?
« on: August 31, 2014, 10:02:59 PM »
Who cares? Every thread will be hijacked by people telling us our cameras are crap, even if we are happy with them they will try and tell us why we shouldn't be, even when we tell them we understand their point, and it is valid, they will still go on and on and on and on..........
serenity now!

I try, I truthfully try, but it is like a car accident, you really don't want to look as you drive by but for some morbid reason you can't stop yourself. Now they are saying you can't print a Canon file from any camera above 13" x 19", they honestly believe there is a 36% deficiency in Canon sensors, though how you can quantify that to 36% is a mystery, they are crazy, truthfully crazy. Don't they realise they sound like the crazy guy in the parking lot at the mall?

I think I am not going to log in for a few days.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are you planning to purchase a 7D2
« on: August 31, 2014, 09:50:19 PM »
I'm kinda in the "once you go full frame you don't go back" camp. The main reason would be the extra reach, which I'm reading here is over-rated. More like 1.2 not 1.6. So, that makes it a very expensive teleconvertor. I've already got the ff lenses. So, not sure what the advantage would be over a 6D. If I wanted a second (great) body (have 6D and T5i and 2 EOS M) would be more tempted to buy another 6D, one for longer zoom, the other for wide zoom at athletic events.

I agree with the conventional wisdom offered here that has been born of the crop vs FF debates.  (In essence, what you have stated above about real world 1.2 reach, etc.)  However, there is more to it than that.  In real world use, a new technology sensor in a new crop sensor camera gives me...

-  Faster fps (10 for the 7D2, 8 for the 7D and 7 for the 70D.)
-  1.6 (1.2?) crop factor reach advantage without a TC in the way
-  2nd body & lens (not a TC on a single FF)

A TC still costs you a stop of light and a loss of IQ compared to a crop sensor with no TC in the light path.  Having both a FF and a crop camera hanging by your side with two different lenses at a sporting event has its merits.  And if you are shooting sports, you are shooting a lot of frames of fast moving action.  You need fps.  And you need reach.  Trying to crop FF images later in post is a LOT of work when you are looking at several thousand images over a day or two of action.

That's why I bought a 70D a week ago for $836 from Canon Refurb.  It's likely going to give me at least 2/3 of (what I need) the 7D2 will give for possibly 1/3 the cost.  It's likely got a similar (if not the same) sensor and 7 fps is fast enough for my needs.  I'll know for sure after swim season starts.   :)

Not if you take equivalence into account, if you do, and you should, the ff has an iso advantage greater than the stop of aperture loss.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5D 4 & 1DX II @ Photokina?
« on: August 31, 2014, 08:36:27 PM »
Who cares? Every thread will be hijacked by people telling us our cameras are crap, even if we are happy with them they will try and tell us why we shouldn't be, even when we tell them we understand their point, and it is valid, they will still go on and on and on and on..........

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: August 31, 2014, 06:29:12 PM »
The dynamic range in your test is nearly identical. The exposure latitude is what's different. And ETTR is for every sensor, Exmor included. Having less read noise and therefore better shadows doesn't eliminate the fact that the last few bits have almost no tonal separation if you push them hard enough, an inherent fact of linear ADCs. With digital you want your exposure to the right without clipping highlights if you are going to maximize DR and latitude in post. (If you're not then none of this matters.)

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When a Camera is not able to differentiate noise from detail in the lower 3rd of the tonal range, then no test is going to make it shine.

This is not an accurate evaluation or statement. If the noise were that bad you wouldn't have been able to push the Canon RAW 3 stops at all.

I give up trying to apply logic in the face of such statements.

The DR of the SCENE is minimal, a point and shoot would see it all, given the there is no black OR white in the whole photo.

It'S NOT A DR TEST! DR and IQ aren't the same thing, despite the rantings of the doctor.

And I'm note sure if you're confused but the Red channel I posted ISN'T pushed. It's the regular exposure, and at 36% it starts falling apart.

That's not good. As I've said before many times, if you're ok with that, go for it.

But if you had used ETTR then you would have gotten much better results, and you freely admit there are no whites in the scene and it is not a test of DR and you had 100% control over the lighting.

Look, ETTR is not a new thing, we have had to expose to our recording mediums vagaries since photography was invented, look at the meticulous care Ansel Adams went to to accomplish the amazing DR ranges he did with less capabilities than we have now, from initial exposure to development of the film, to printing and development of that print, all in his mind even before he set up his tripod.

You do have a valid point that the Exmor is capable of superior shadow lifting, everybody here agrees with that, but you are being silly if you honestly believe that Canon sensors are as bad as you are saying.

No system currently available is close to perfect, they all have positive points and negative points, every single one of them. I shoot a lot of live view with the 17TS-E with massive DR (I demonstrated that before but certainly didn't throw it down your throat or go to a Nikon forum to raise hell there) For my personal professional stills work Canon offer me the best solution, the Exmor cannot do what I need in one shot, Nikon Live View is a joke and they don't have a 17TS-E. Now my specific photography needs might be unusual, but if I was shooting the images you have shown with a Canon I know with optimal technique I could get superb results, your reply to that has been "why should I have to?", because we are photographers, if everybody could get our results you wouldn't have your $250,000 a year studio.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: August 30, 2014, 11:28:22 PM »
That's soooo right.  Exmor is clearly a miracle sensor designed by some clever deity for His or Her own use.   Especially clever of that deity to decree an 11th Commandment...

The World and the Sun which I made to lighteth it shall have No More than 14 stops of Dynamical Ranges, so that Mine Own Mighty Exmor Shall Forever and Always deal with that.

So much for sarcasm being the lowest form of wit. Doesn't stop the dripping sarcasm just building layer on layer does it?

There are many similar comments that can be made for 12800 ISO, TS17mm and other areas where Canon excel and where Canon users preach constantly.

But that would be churlish, and who'd want that?

Dude, what was I saying just yesterday? Two wrongs make a right? Lowering the standard is the reason to be here?

Just tell us your opinion of the gear, and better yet back it up with examples or illustrations, we like pictures, and leave the counter antagonism in Aus. Your opinions of another poster are what got you in trouble last time, nobody cares about your opinions of other posters, we do care about well reasoned and illustrated points about gear.

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Photography Technique / Re: Back-button focus?
« on: August 30, 2014, 11:22:59 PM »
If I need to decouple focus from the shutter button for any reason, I'm much more likely these days to switch to manual focus.

Inspired by a post in this forum, I recently changed my cameras to use "af off" on the "AF-ON" button. It needs holding down while focusing, but is quicker than to reach for the af/mf lens switch. Pity there is no "af off (hold)" option.

Not sure I understand...
If you use BBF, your system is essentially on manual focus (AF off- hold) unless and until you press the back button...

I think you will find Marsu has AF on the shutter button and the AF-On button set to AF Off, that means if he wants to manual focus he just pushes the AF-On button (that turns AF off).

Oh, I understand his set up :)
What I could not understand is why he can't set AF-On on the back button, and no AF function on the shutter button, essentially making it AF off-hold until and unless he presses the back button (since he was wishing for an AF off- hold scenario).

Because many people find needing to use their finger and thumb to AF and expose inefficient, especially if you regularly move AF point with the joystick or work EC with the back dial, or if you are in M mode adjust aperture with the back dial. I tend to use my thumb for other stuff and found I got thumb fatigue with BBF, I really like the AF-On button set to AF off, I find it works well for me and the other stuff I want to do with my thumb.

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Photography Technique / Re: Back-button focus?
« on: August 30, 2014, 10:51:11 PM »
If I need to decouple focus from the shutter button for any reason, I'm much more likely these days to switch to manual focus.

Inspired by a post in this forum, I recently changed my cameras to use "af off" on the "AF-ON" button. It needs holding down while focusing, but is quicker than to reach for the af/mf lens switch. Pity there is no "af off (hold)" option.

Not sure I understand...
If you use BBF, your system is essentially on manual focus (AF off- hold) unless and until you press the back button...

I think you will find Marsu has AF on the shutter button and the AF-On button set to AF Off, that means if he wants to manual focus he just pushes the AF-On button (that turns AF off).

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Photography Technique / Re: Is RAW worth it?
« on: August 30, 2014, 10:40:57 PM »
It all depends on how good a technical photographer you are. If you could shoot perfectly exposed Chromes back in the film days, you don't need raw.

I've always provided my Adobe Artist with both Raw and JPEG files. And she always works with the JPEGs, because processing my Raw files would give the same result.

A couple of years ago another pro ask me what I thought of shooting JPEGs for paying work. I told him my experience. He did some experimenting with custom functions and has been shooting JPEGs ever since. And I've seen other pros starting to switch to custom JPEGs.

That is completely wrong.

I used to shoot perfectly exposed Velvia 50, I was so in tune with it I could shoot for print or projection on the fly, the print generally needed a 1/3 stop exposure boost but looked crap when projected. I have shot RAW only since the day Apple's  Aperture came out and meant we could view more than one RAW at a time, prior to that it was RAW and jpeg. The trouble with a "perfectly exposed Chromes" is perfect exposure for what output? Because you had zero latitude with the exposure and the output could be prints, or projection, or scanned to publish. RAW gives you the flexibility, if you need it, to adjust the capture to the specific output, a computer screen on its brightest setting (the majority of users) requires a vastly different file from a print that is going to be hung on a dim hallway.

There are very good reasons to shoot jpeg, but pretentious "perfect exposure" nonsense isn't one of them.

Also, if you are paying somebody to work your files and they are using the jpegs over the RAW files they are either playing to your ego, and/or spending your money and their time mitigating the inherent limitations of jpegs, or lying.

I print for many photographers, it takes me around five times longer to work their files if they only have jpegs than the RAW files.


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Hello all,

I have 3 600ex-rt flashes. I want to put two on bodies ( 5D3 and 6D ) and put the third on a light stand.

According to CPS I cannot do this.

They said two master flashes ( the ones on the bodies ) cannot connect to one slave. Meaning to do this, I would need to get a fourth flash so each Master runs it's own slave.

Has anyone found a fix for this? Surely I am not the only one who needs to fire two cameras ( not at the same time ) sharing a slaved flash.  I do not want to add pocket wizards or such, just want to see if can be done with what I have.

Thanks for all suggestions.

Canon CPS are idiots. Of course you can, you can have up to 15 masters and one slave, I can't believe the person you talked to was so stupid.

The first on camera master is the "Main Master" the second and any subsequent ones are called "Sub-Masters". Page 60 of manual.

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The 7D.

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Lenses / Re: New Lens Information for Photokina
« on: August 30, 2014, 01:26:58 AM »
At this point in time and tech DO is DOA.

Besides I don't want Canon focusing on a lens they make a loss on, and there is no way they have ever made a cent from any DO lens, I want them to make lenses they make profits on then they will have more R&D money and will make even better stuff.

FYI: You're an Idiot

And just so we're clear, that's Arthur Morris - the most famous bird/wildlife photographer in the english speaking world - calling you an idiot, not me. Just so you know.  Also, Canon knows their own business better than you ever will and you have literally no stake whatsoever in whether they want to pursue this technology (or not! its still a rumor!) so I can't even begin to imagine why you would be taking the possibility of a new 400mm f4 DO as some sort of personal affront.

Thanks Steve.

One question, when did I ever say the 400 DO wasn't sharp or took TC's well? Because it reads to me like he is calling people that say those things idiots, and his images prove they are.

What he doesn't show you is stuff like this that demonstrates what DO do to bokeh and how they handle specular highlights, you might have noticed not one of Mr Morris' images has any specular highlights, did you wonder why? No, of course you didn't, you are too obtuse to do that.

If you are happy to pay $6,500 for a lens that does that then I suspect you are the idiot, after buying them for that much many owners are happy to sell them for $3,500 to get rid of them, maybe they are the idiots.

I tried one for a day, I am happy I didn't get one and I don't feel like an idiot....

P.S. Don't let Franz Lanting hear you say that about Arthur Morris.

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Lenses / Re: New Lens Information for Photokina
« on: August 30, 2014, 01:12:49 AM »
Hand held test are largely pointless. Each person has their own fitness and strength level.

Only if you never hand hold. If you do hand hold, ever, the test will show you what you will get, that is the point!

I am not asking anybody to do a hand hold test for me, I am suggesting they do it for themselves and put the "reach advantage" myth to death once and for all.

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I have two 1VHS's I am selling one and I don't care which one. One has 36 rolls of film through it, the other 58 rolls of film through it. I bought both brand new and I am the only person who has ever used them, not long after I got them I got a job that included cameras so hardly used them before I got a personal 1D and that was it, they stayed in the bag as backups for a couple of seasons and then moved to my gear cupboard, and now they are here........

Both come with every piece of paper, packaging, sticker, quick guide etc they came with, the 36 roll one everything is untouched, the 58 roll one has a bit of wear on the manual.

Both cameras are very good condition, though not quite mint. They have the usual slight rub marks from sitting in my bag as backups for a few years. Nothing to cause any concern and no scratches, dents, bare metal, or deep marks, just being 100% honest.

I actually bought them as 1V's and got the PB-E2's, for those that don't know that makes a 1VHS, the boxed 1VHS is no different and does not have different badges, but doing it like that meant you got the GR-E2 included, and the two covers you didn't get with the 1VHS.

I'm asking $800 for the 36 roll camera or $700 for the 58 roll camera, if you are interested drop me a PM.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 29, 2014, 10:07:19 PM »
We're not, we are asking for a demonstration of the actual achievable resolution differences when handheld and when using AF.

As JR said, there's so many variables it can become entirely subjective.
FWIW, I've had handheld AF shots from my 800e with 70-200mm f/4 VR at 200mm that are as crisp at 15th second (yes, low light) as I was getting my my 5d2 and 70-200 f/2.8 L IS 2 in bright sunlight (likely 1/400s @ f8)
Used with good glass and technique, even handheld, the ability to get very high resolution images from the d800 series is not all that difficult.  The 810's mirror action is even smoother, which should help a bit more.

Having seen your work, I doubt it.

I'l show you mine..

www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=22441.0

now show me yours.  :P
BTW, the image linked above was at 1/6s, not 1/15.  It'd print comfortably up to 48" high before I'd consider tweaking pixels.  Oh, and there was a slight shadow lift too, as the foreground was too dark for my liking and I wanted a more gradual gradient.

So you are asserting that you get "crisper" shots from the D800 at 3200iso, and 1/6 second @ f4.5 handheld than you did from the Canon at 200iso, and 1/400 second @ f8 (sunny 16 exposure for "bright sunlight")  with the 70-200 f2.8 IS MkII? Or just over EV1 with no contrast compared to EV12 with great contrast.

That makes no sense.

Also, if you are happy to print at 153dpi I understand why we have these differences of opinion.

You can search my attachments history for some of mine if you are interested.


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Lenses / Re: New Lens Information for Photokina
« on: August 29, 2014, 09:06:09 PM »


blah blah blah

but ROmy has already posted many real world comps between 7D and 5D series and he surely got more detail out the 7D


So he has, thanks for that, that really put me in my place, thanks for pointing those real world 7D and cropped 5D MkIII images, I hadn't seen them before.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=352724

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