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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D III Dynamic Range
« on: February 09, 2013, 08:38:26 PM »
Geez, you folks still arguing? And with the same lines over and over?
Maybe it's time the admins add some kind of human confirmation before each post, for I suspect some here are answering machines or the like.

Abstract / Re: Apple on sticks (stuck at home)
« on: February 09, 2013, 07:10:08 PM »
Top one for me. Softer light, clear white background... The apple looks a bit dark, though. Maybe overexpose a little, or add a second light on the apple. (I mean, considering there's still time and you haven't eaten it yet.)

I had a 7D. Sold it, got a 60D and a better glass 24-70, 200 etc...
Now I shot w/FF but I still have the 60D. It's only a backup and I use it for macro w/the EFS60, and for wide with the Sigma 8-16, both are awesome lenses. It's an awesome little cam and apart from the lack of AF adjustment I see nothing wrong with it for most uses. Actually I never even needed the AFMA, but maybe I was just lucky. (used that a lot on the 7D, barely use it on 5D2)
It would be great if the ISOs would be cleaner above 800 but the 7D won't make a diff. there anyway..
After all it all depends on your style, your subjects, knowledge...etc.

Just one more thing. If you visit my site and go to portraits, or even if you just sit back and see the main slide I doubt that you could tell which photo was taken with what... think about that for a sec..  ;)

Wow, terrific photos! Congratulations! I myself felt like buying quite a few... :)
(On the other hand, I wish I hadn't seen your work; now I can't blame my 60D anymore...)

My wishlist for a new 7D:
- New sensor with better high ISO capabilities and better DR;
- 100% VF;
- Little better AF system (in between the current 7D and 5D3, maybe);
- on-camera flash (commander);
- 16 to 18 MP;
- 7D size and ergonomics;
- Two SD card slots;
- 1080p 60 fps video;
- US$1,800...

This is exactly my wishlist as well.
Great minds think alike ;).

Well, there is a market for such a camera, after all...! :)

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D III Dynamic Range
« on: February 09, 2013, 01:09:07 PM »
A little while ago a friend asked me what she needed to know about DSLRs in order to take "good" pictures.

I created an extensive list. I never mentioned dynamic range. Shame on me.
Not really. A good friend you are...
Like a number of people have said on this forum (and I am sure many have said so on other forums elsewhere too)  that it is the finger that half clicks and then completes the click is all that matters...

They have not? Huh!

70D /7D mark II wishlist
  • A new sensor
  • 20+ megapixel
  • Reduced read Noise
  • 1-2 stops improvement in ISO noise
  • Better dynamic range.
  • Same great canon ergonomics and sensible button layout (hopefully closer to 60D size than 7D size)

Interestingly, your 'wishlist' is a good description of the 6D, compared to your 60D...

Indeed, looks like a 6D to me...
My wishlist for a new 7D:
- New sensor with better high ISO capabilities and better DR;
- 100% VF;
- Little better AF system (in between the current 7D and 5D3, maybe);
- on-camera flash (commander);
- 16 to 18 MP;
- 7D size and ergonomics;
- Two SD card slots;
- 1080p 60 fps video;
- US$1,800...

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D III Dynamic Range
« on: February 08, 2013, 04:48:45 PM »
IF you want a real answer- the answer is, the read out noise in the Canon cameras is high due theirs read out from the sensor edge  to the ADC, as long the read out noise is 14 times higher than the Sony/Nikon cameras at base iso there will be problem for Canon to get a large DR at base iso as  Sony have with theirs column wise ADC onboard the sensor chip. And add that the Canon sensor has banding issues/pattern noise in the lower levels.
Simple facts

Now who could have foreseen this?


but there is supposed to be a new 4/3 camera coming out soon that would retain the good user interface of the 4/3 bodies and promisses slightly better than APS-c IQ and ISO.

Wow, great news! From Olympus?

Edit: now I see, from Olympus. Sorry for the dumb question, I didn't pay enough attention. What's it going to be called? Are there any rumours to be read?

Look at micro 4/3..... lots of sales there. Look at the Rebel lineup.... lots of sales there.

One would have to be a fool to argue that the image quality from a current high end FF camera and top quality lens is not better than that out of a reduced sensor size camera with an EF-S or micro 4/3 lens, but image quality is not everything to everyone.

Most consumers are not willing to pay $3000+ for a camera body or $1000+ for a lens. Most consumers want something physically smaller that they can carry around. Most consumers will be happy with "good enough", not "absolute best" image because they are not prepared to pay the penalty to go to the next level.

Of course the future will change..... does anyone think that things will stay the same with technology?

I really don't understasnd how some people have read into this that APS-C will change into FF. The bulk of the camera buying public is far more interested in smaller and lighter and more megapixels...WiFi and GPS and shooting video have more appeal to them than debates over pixel well sizes, bayer filters, 180nm manufacturing technology, or whatever. Face up to it.... we are the geeks, we are the abnormal ones, we are the ones out of touch with what the majority see as reality.

So what is the future of APS-C? The future is that it will be the bulk of Canon sales. Most of those sales will be Rebels and mirrorless.... there will be various models with various capacities and whatever the higher end one does or is called, it will be the "Pro-APS-C" model.

I am myself looking forward to trying the Fuji X-E1 or maybe X-E2 (or the Olympus OM-D EM-5), and will definitely buy the Fuji X20 when it's out. The EOS-M would be great, but both the lack of a viewfinder and the reported slow AF put me off. I love my 60D and will keep it for now (if fact I'll probably buy a 7D, be it mk1 or 2, and sell the 60D because it lacks AFMA), but if I have a smaller camera that can give me usable ISO 3200 I'll probably use it 80+% of the time. By then, I'll be able to decide whether I should keep the 60D/7D or not.

Wow, it looks like the trial didn't end, after all...
It feels like attempting to persuade Sheldon to sit in another spot on the couch.

Ok, I think everyone needs a time out here.

Mikael, I am sure you mean well, and have excellent points to back up your claims, but please start your own thread discussing DR, banding, comparing sensors and such. It is NOT on-topic here.

The rest of you, don't bite. It turns into a flame war every time.

AND, I would ask you all to keep the tone polite. I know that it is hard when you get emotionally engaged, but for the rest of the forum's sake, please constrain yourselves. :)

Now, back on-topic: I think 70D and 7D2 will both be APS-C, as will all their successors. When the day comes and Canon goes 5 FF-models, they will no longer be successors of these lines, but rather something new. Like the 6D. (Canon could ofc reuse the names).

I think there will always be a place for pro "sub-FF" sensors, just because of the reach. Canon knows this, and for them, putting a APS-C sensor in the same body as a FF camera is a cost-effective way to create a new camera.

So, I would prepare for APS-C 7D2 and 7D3. I think it is only a question of what they improve every time, not change in sensor size.

I'm glad that the people versus Mikael trial seems to have come to an end.
Regarding the new 7D: I'm in fact considering buying the current model ("mk1"), as it's better in almost every aspect than my 60D and will be cheaper when the mk2 is out. Even though better AF and low-light capabilities would be great, the current one is sure good enough for my needs (chasing my kid around being probably the most challenging situation I face). But... What do you more experienced guys think will be the price of the 7Dmk2? I might instead wait for the new model, if not too expensive.

What if Canon simply ditched the 5D3's sensor and put the 6D's sensor in it?

From the reviews I read and the raw samples I looked at myself you're absolutely overestimating the 5d3/6d difference - the 6d might have 1/3 stop less iso noise, but the 5d3 also has improved banding, has more resolution and is sharper (even with a much stronger aa filter!) than the 6d. Except maybe for iso12800 (favors 6d) or low iso studio shots (favors 5d3) the differences won't show.

I agree about the overestimation thing -- I'm thinking of selling my 60D and getting a 7D (mark 1!) because of AFMA. A FF would be great, indeed much better than my 60D or my "new" 7D, but what's keeping my photos from being better is definitely not my camera.
Going FF with Canon would mean losing the built-in flash as a commander (I have only one flash) and becoming restricted to on-camera flash, when what I need is just the opposite: quit being such a lazy ass and get the flash off-camera more often. Sure, I could just buy another flash, but going FF, buying new lenses and accessories is expensive and probably wouldn't make my photos much better, if any. I'm the limiting factor... :)
And, as jrista pointed out recently, there are softwares with incredible NR capabilities available nowadays. I've found that ISO 1600 and 3200 are really good after adequate NR on the RAW files of my 60D, and for what I shoot it's really enough.

What if Canon simply ditched the 5D3's sensor and put the 6D's sensor in it? I mean, same body, same AF system, everything, but made all 5D3s with the 6D's sensor from now on... Same sensor size, same company... Is it feasible, on the technical side?

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D7000 replacement in April...
« on: February 07, 2013, 10:06:37 AM »
I'd say moderators should close this thread, as it's no longer helpful in any way.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D7000 replacement in April...
« on: February 06, 2013, 09:08:32 PM »
Maybe we all should go sleep and then start a new thread tomorrow. This one is better off left alone.
Good night everyone.

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