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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Amazon.co.uk's D800 price is killing me!!!

« on: November 08, 2012, 03:54:16 AM »

But the Nikon 24-120 F/4 VRII is an exceptional lens.

Hmmmm...

So, in summary the lens combines solid build and very attractive specifications with just okayish performance in most regards. It's the combination of specs and features, not its optical performance, that will earn this lens its buyers nonetheless, especially since there is currently no alternative that offers a similarly attractive package.

You and Klaus seem to disagree on that point. 

Hmmm... yourself. Since you're into quoting reviews without any own experience of the lens:

Mansurovs.com says:

"I am very impressed by how well the Nikon 24-120mm f/4G VR performs. It is a sharp lens that is very comparable to professional lenses such as Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8G and Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8G VR II, yielding great results throughout its focal range. During my lab and field tests, my goal was to see how well it performs against the Nikon 24-70mm lens, since many readers have been asking about it (I also wanted to find out for myself, whether I should be looking at potentially replacing my 24-70mm or adding it to my bag for travel and everyday use). After shooting with this lens for about 3 weeks and capturing over 1,800 images, I can say that the lens exceeds my expectations and I found it to be more useful than my favorite Nikon 24-70mm lens not only due to longer focal range, but also due to Vibration Reduction that is extremely useful for low-light situations. I managed to get sharp images hand-held while shooting at extremely slow shutter speeds of 1/2 seconds at 24mm – try that with the Nikon 24-70mm!"

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Amazon.co.uk's D800 price is killing me!!!

« on: November 06, 2012, 12:42:08 PM »

The Nikon 24-120mm VR and 80-400mm are also no where near as good as their Canon counterparts.  To me, that's a key point, because while UWA zooms, tilt-shifts, and uber-macro lenses are pretty esoteric, a standard zoom and a long telephoto zoom are two 'anchors' in a typical kit - having higher quality options for those is a big win for Canon.

The Nikon 24-120 VR is a tired old git.
But the Nikon 24-120 F/4 VRII is an exceptional lens.

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EOS Bodies / Re: [Poll] Canon Reign Supreme Again?

« on: November 06, 2012, 09:50:47 AM »

how i see the battle between Canon and Nikon:

Canon 1DX vs Nikon D4 - on pear no clear winner in my opinion.

Canon 5Dmk3 vs Nikon D800 - the D800 have a overall advantage over the Mk3

Canon 7d - still without a direct competitor

Nikon d300S vs Canon 50D ( the rightful competitor from canon) - clearly Nikon win.

Canon 60D vs Nikon D7000 - Nikon clearly wins in almost all aspects

Canon 650D vs Nikon D5200 -  by faaaaar Nikon win.

Canon D1200 vs Nikon D3200 - Nikon win again.


Overall Nikon have a clear advantage over Canon....

Missing:
Canon 6D vs. Nikon D600

About 7D - it does have a direct competitor. The Nikon D90 is roughly the same age (1 yr older), meant for the same kind of customer. Less resolution, but better DR and much else. IQ is on par. Otherwise the D700 is a valid competitor as well.

And yes - it is fair to compare 5D3 to D800. These are the respective manufacuters highest res cameras, similar style bodies, similar prices.

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EOS Bodies / Re: [Poll] Canon Reign Supreme Again?

« on: November 04, 2012, 05:57:56 PM »

So interchangeable cameras sales are up 26% compared to same period last year and  lenses are up 21%.
Which is pretty amazing stuff.

Amazing, indeed.  Out of the past 20 quarters, how many more than this last one has Nikon outsold Canon in the dSLR market segment?  More importantly, how many more quarters like this last one are needed for Nikon to overcome their significantly lower dSLR market share, after losing it to Canon repeatedly over the past several years?

What does that have to do with what I wrote? I have NO idea how many cameras Canon has sold this quarter. My only point was that someone else here seemed to think that Nilkon did badly in camera sales - because they looked at the wrong Nikon figures.

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EOS Bodies / Re: [Poll] Canon Reign Supreme Again?

« on: November 04, 2012, 03:22:59 PM »

Nikon net income dropped  36.5% in the last quarter.  You have indeed had too much Vodka. The figures in parentheses are negative, a reduction!
http://www.nikon.com/about/ir/ir_library/result/index.htm

The figures you quote are for the whole Nikon Corporatioopn. The figures for the Nikon Imaging Division are as follows:

 Net sales: 381 billion yen (up 56.5 billion yen from same period previous year)
 Operating income: 41.8 billion yen (down 5.6 billion yen from same period previous year)

 Nikon sold a total of:
    3,450,000 interchangeable cameras (up 720k from same period previous year)
    4,770,000 interchangeable lenses (up 840k from same period previous year)
    8,260,000 compact cameras (up 400k from same period previous year)

So interchangeable cameras sales are up 26% compared to same period last year and  lenses are up 21%.
Which is pretty amazing stuff. Nikon cameras and lenses are absolutely flying out the door. Even their compacts are UP 5% in the face of a general (significant) downturn in that area.

It's difficult to do a direct comparison with Canon, as Canon includes their inkjet printers in the corresponding division (!), but they sure aren't showing the same kind of upward surge. Not even close.

Nikon Imaging's lower operating income in spite of a considerable increase in turnover is most likely a result of increased costs incurred as a result of the Tsunami and the Thai floods.

So he's closer to the truth that you, with or without vodka.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X

« on: November 01, 2012, 11:55:08 AM »

Relevant, really? You just contradicted yourself  .

No, no contradiction. DxO scores are relevant, but not the only thing to take into consideration.

No contradiction there.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X

« on: November 01, 2012, 07:39:49 AM »

I think it’s currently the best DSLR as a whole currently on the market, unless you want the big resolution of the D800.

Admin has it exactly right.

DxO scores is just one aspect of the whole picture. Relevant, but only one of numerous aspects.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X

« on: November 01, 2012, 07:34:59 AM »

Interestingly, over at Nikonrumors, DxO and their test results are almost never mentioned. Neither is Canon.
They're too busy discussing using their cameras and photography... lens recommendations, best body for specific purposes and the like.

None of the desperate fighting seen here.

Are you sure, just saw one on their first page "DxOMark test results for Nikon 1 J2 mirrorless camera are out"

Ah, but I'm talking about the forum there. There nobody could care less about DxO. There they discuss cameras and photography. Not DxO.

What is published on the first page of the site is a different story. That after all is the admin giving us news, just like here.

And even in the comments to the front page posts, DxO is hardly mentioned. Almost all discussion in the comments threads on the front page is complaints about Nikon doing this that, or not doing this or that ('when is the D400 coming' etc). Typical nonsense you find in any similar situation, whether it's cameras, software, guitars, games, computer parts or smartphones or whatever. People just complain and bitch.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X

« on: November 01, 2012, 06:28:28 AM »

I'm sure the people at Nikonrumors are saying DXO is the greatest and most accurate tests ever.

Interestingly, over at Nikonrumors, DxO and their test results are almost never mentioned. Neither is Canon.
They're too busy discussing using their cameras and photography... lens recommendations, best body for specific purposes and the like.

None of the desperate fighting seen here.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is 22Mpx Really Enough?!!!

« on: October 26, 2012, 06:52:57 AM »

But! Here is the question that I have been wrestling with:  is more than 22 or 24 mp too much for a 35mm sensor?  Canon is probably developing a 39 or 50 mp camera, presumably with a 35mm sized sensor.  The size of the pixels (pixel pitch) is very important.  I think my hasselblad's 50mp are the same size individually as my Canon's 22.  So that means, roughly speaking, if canon goes to 39 or 50 mp, the pixels will be many times smaller.  This would make low light/noise performance suffer I think.  But maybe it will cause other issues as well.  Or will it? Perhaps the developers have some new tricks up their sleeves.

Until now, I thhought 20-25mp is perfect for 35mm format.  Any more and quality suffers.  But maybe that sweet spot for packing pixels on the chip, with about 6 micron sized pixels, is not the plateau I expected it to be.  Can a 50mp canon be good?  Will it be as good as my hasselblad? Better?

The short answer is: look at the incredible results from a D800 (or even better, a D800E) with a really good lens in front. The results are quite fantastic. So 36Mp is not at all too many in 35mm.
Considering the fact that the D800 is the first ever 35mm to go over 24Mp, and does it so well, just think what the future holds....

Here's a comparison from DxO - sensor results. Just the sensor. But this is what you were discussing.
Lenses is another issue.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon is on top again!

« on: October 22, 2012, 04:48:05 AM »

Fascinating, isn't it - people get bored with trolling comments, responses wane, and it's misinterpreted. 

LOL, Mikael is hardly a troll. Slightly abrasive maybe.
If that's your definition of a troll you haven't spent much time on the web.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon is on top again!

« on: October 21, 2012, 07:31:09 AM »

Great pictures, Mikael.

Fascinating, isn't it - everybody puked on you and demanded pro images, apparently not expecting any.
And when you produce, they all shut up and dissolve into the woodwork lol.... 

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EOS Bodies / Re: 1DX the favorite of dark agents everywhere

« on: October 20, 2012, 04:15:25 PM »

One sighting equals 'everywhere'?
Besides, it's a bit big for covert work.

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EOS Bodies / Re: DxOMark Sensor Performance: Nikon vs. Canon

« on: October 20, 2012, 04:13:40 PM »

Aaaaaaand for the topic, I can't wait to see if they can overcome their canon ''hate'' for once. I think we all know Nikon new cameras are great! but their numbers are a little offroad

Do you SERIOUSLY mean to suggest that a software company like DxO that is entirely dependent on being completely unbiased in order to sell their software 'hates' Canon, when a large part of their customer base are Canon users?

No they're NOT reviewers, that's a byproduct of lab-testing sensors and lenses to add their data to the database - and a way to attract interest in their software.

For goodness sake. What would they achieve by giving Canon a raw deal? Nothing at all.
I bet the opposite is true - that they sincerely wish that Canon would produce better sensors so they (DxO) wouldn't have to hear this nonsense about being biased all the time. The last thing they want is to scare off a whole lot of potentrial customers for their software.

Believe me, your money smells just as good to them as Nikon owners' money does.

Jeez, I'm getting so TIRED of all the DxO/Nikon conspiracy theories.

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EOS Bodies / Re: DxOMark Sensor Performance: Nikon vs. Canon

« on: October 20, 2012, 03:59:43 PM »

Suede, you nailed it. To the wall.