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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1DX, 1D4, 5D3 outdoor church shots
« on: July 30, 2012, 06:50:55 PM »
Here are ISO 2000 (1DX and 5D3) and 5000 (1D4).

EOS Bodies - For Stills / 1DX, 1D4, 5D3 outdoor church shots
« on: July 30, 2012, 06:49:21 PM »
I did the 1DX, 1D4, and 5D3 shots of a church this evening.  I did nothing to the photos except crop to the church, as I was using a tripod.  I shot at f/8, 24mm, and used Center Weighted Average on the highlight on the face of the church.  The 1D4 I ran out of room, sorry.  I took two shots, one at ISO 100, and another as high of an ISO I could go.  Note the metering is different, as at ISO 2000, f/8, the 1DX and 5D3 give different shutter speeds to achieve the same exposure.

Hey guys, maybe some insight here, maybe a good deal for someone, not sure. I purchased a 5DM3 kit at B&H on March 30, in that time I have been waiting for the mixed accessories to become available, as I typically shoot off a tripod (Using RRS brackets...Not yet available) and use a remote flash (New ST-E3-RT + 600EX's) and have just got to the season where we can do the photography that I purchased the camera for, night time tarpon fishing. We have tested the 5DM3, as it is a marvelous camera for daytime shooting, it is not delivering the results we hoped for, especially in the area of AF and IQ. When shooting at night, ISO is a big factor, and both cameras (based on results I have seen) appear to be the same, but the actual ability for the camera to focus and do it quickly, for what we are shooting, which you have a split second reaction time to capture the moment, is failing. I contacted B&H today, and they were not able to help me, in either a return or exchange, so I am asking here, if anyone has any insight on how I can deal with this (Minus just buying a 1DX on top of what I have already spent). I asked them if they could work with me, as since 3/30 i had spent $23,000 in their shop. They said it had been too long, nothing they could do. I would be more than willing to part with my equipment for a discounted price, so that I can efficiently make the needed upgrade. I am really up against a wall here as I desperately need the right tool for the job. Can anyone shed some light on this doom situation I have? Thanks in advance!

After having used both cameras, I think you'll be disappointed, or not as satisfied as you think you're going to be.  The IQ is marginally better, ISO is marginally better, however AF is much better, and of course the fps, spot-linked metering, and weather build.  But as for not delivering in IQ, if the 5D3 can't meet your IQ results, I'm afraid the 1DX won't either then.  Overall they are two different cameras and people are erroneously purchasing one when they need the other.  I shoot weddings and sports.  Why not have both?  If I only had the sports contract though, I'd still get both because the 5D Mark III is a much better sports backup then even the 1D Mark IV.  The 5D3 definitely has an IQ advantage there.

EOS Bodies / Re: Mark III price dropping
« on: July 30, 2012, 04:47:10 PM »
I was all set to buy the 5DIII from B&H for $3350, but it's back to $3500 now for some reason. Amazon is back to $3500 now too. What gives? I'm definitely not buying it without the warranty. Anybody know another place to get it for around the $3350 mark that is authorized by Canon?

$3350 vs. $3500.  That $150 concern will be dispelled quickly once you begin shooting with your 5D Mark III.  I guarantee it (just like the guy on the Burlington Coat Factory commercial).

Isn't the commercial you are referring to The Men's Warehouse? "You're gonna like the way you look, I guarantee it!"

I may be wrong.

Yes, sorry.  Wrong reference.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1DX vs 5D3
« on: July 30, 2012, 04:43:34 PM »
How's the wakeup time compared to the 5d3? I'm still very annoyed and puzzled the 5d needs a week to wake up...

Super fast.  I haven't found anything I didn't like yet with this camera.  You turn it on, you start shooting.

EOS Bodies / Re: Mark III price dropping
« on: July 30, 2012, 03:40:02 PM »
Doesn't matter where you buy, it's still an inventory unit produced by Canon.  They get their markup from the
initial sale to a distributor, to a dealer or direct channel (where they get the dealer's share also).  The pricing
on the 5DMkIII is Canon's call - but a Nikon 800 at $2999 is appealing to a number of current Canon  users.
As Canon releases more MarkII lenses with a 100% price increase from the "older" models - buying all new
lenses for an 800 is not as terrifying as it once was (and still is!),

IMO a camera has to be appealing for certain reasons, not necessarily price.  If I was just shooting portraits or landscapes then yes, the 800 would be appealing.  Take the 5dIII, it's appeal for me is all about the AF, high ISO, FPS, crunching power, etc.  People will argue that it's $500 more.  That's true but the cameras are not the same.  Comparing the features, the 5DIII is worth the extra 500 bucks, and for my needs it's a better all-round camera.


It shouldn't be doing it when the camera is powering up, although normally when it's powered off (by the switch, not always when it does it automatic timeout shutdown) it should perform the self-cleaning.

It should do it both powering up and down.  Every Canon DSLR I've owned has done it that way.

Could you also take a RAW image of the church from each camera? It'd be great to dig into it.

By the way, I'm going to raise the shutter speed on another set of the church shots and shoot at high ISO as well.  I'll take an appropriate shot at f/8, and maybe, oh 1/100s at ISO 400ish.  Then I'm going to raise the shutter a few stops and shoot at ISO 6400, 12800, 25600, 51200.  This way I can look at shadow noise, which I haven't been able to show yet.  I also want to see how high ISO can affect a normal image outside and how well you can clean it up.  If 1DX and 5D3 perform similarly, perhaps those aren't the two cameras we should be comparing, but rather the 1DX vs. 1D4.  I will totally expect the 5D3 to perform similarly regarding IQ, but not the same in metering, color, and noise patterns.  I'd be okay with this, because then in a sense you have 5D3 IQ in a 1D4 body, which is spectacular.

Good point.

Even the landscape shots are darker.  Before I imported as JPEG to this site, I had to slide the exposure bar to the right +0.50.  The 1D4 I didn't touch; it was right on.  The 5D3 was a tad darker than the 1D4, but not nearly as much as the 1DX.  I did center-weighted average metering 5 feet in front of my camera, on the ground, and then I did center-weighted on the sky just above the horizon.  Same thing for all 3 cameras.

This confirms my theory that the 1Ds3 and 1D4 metering was exceptionally accurate.  Of course, accuracy is actually subjective here, but it was noticeable to me when I looked at the photos.

I only shoot RAW.  How do I get a RAW onto this website?

Lenses / Re: 70-200 2.8 II vs. 85mm 1.2 II - general opinion
« on: July 30, 2012, 10:30:57 AM »
On a ff the 200 f/2 is the lens to beat

And the one that CANNOT be beaten :)

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Recording Media on the 1D X
« on: July 30, 2012, 10:27:39 AM »
I'm thinking maybe the conversion?  I don't know.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1D X ISO Shots
« on: July 30, 2012, 12:05:14 AM »
Can you see any difference up close?

The auto focus in the 1DX is much faster.  The shutter is super fast.  I actually like it more than the 1D Mark IV.  The 5D Mark III seems to struggle a bit in lower light or objects with little contrast, but the 1D X has been hitting those.

The downside is that the two do not expose and meter the same.  The 1D X looks wrong.  It isn't metering the same as the 5D Mark III and I actually think, compared to the 1D4 and 5D3, it is slightly underexposing.  Auto ISO in manual mode gives different ISO values on the two cameras, the lower being on the 1D X and thus it does look a tad underexposed.  More into that later.

I will next compare outdoor shots again with plenty of light of a church. 

So far other than the 1D body and the faster shutter and burst rate, I really don't see much advantage over the 5D3.  The ISO performance by my indoor examples are not significant enough.  They are super close up through 10,000 or 12,800.  The landscape shots really weren't different enough among the 1DX, 5D3, and 1D4 to really say any difference there, other than the pleasing extra detail present in the 1D X images. 

I'll do two more tests.  The normal shooting situation of a church, and then some action/sports.  Those will really be the true tests, so stay tuned.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1D X ISO Shots
« on: July 29, 2012, 11:00:28 PM »
So if you do draw any conclusions, I would suppose you'd say the 1D X is slightly better than the 5D Mark III?  I don't even think we need to do the ISO comparison test with the 1D Mark IV; we already know the answer.

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