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Lenses / Re: Soon to be Launched EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x
« on: January 03, 2013, 09:48:47 AM »
actually, I know a lot of bird and sports shooters that would love to have this lens.  it's pretty much the ultimate long lens in terms of flexibility, first between having the 200-400 zoom range, and then being able to throw in a 1.4x extender without having to unmount the camera, attach the extender, and then remount the camera.

It's a versatile lens no doubt, but I wouldn't consider it the "ultimate".  I think the ultimate would be a 200-400 f2.8 with no builtin tc.  Sure it would be an absolutely massive lens, but a fast 200-400 for big field sports would let you shoot all day and well into the evening with amazing subject isolation.  Throw on your own 2x tc and you've got yourself a killer birding lens at 400-800 f5.6.  Now that's a lens I could see myself selling a car for :D

The 200-400 is exciting, but I'm still saving for the 400 2.8....

Lenses / Re: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS Exists as a Working Prototype [CR2]
« on: December 19, 2012, 11:18:42 PM »
I can't say I'm surprised if this is true, Canon knows EVERYONE was expecting the 24-70II to have IS.  MSRP will be over $3k for sure....

Also, that means another line of FF mirrorless lenses...*shiver*
Yeah, thats really the piece that makes this technology pretty far off. To actually release a full-frame mirrorless camera with all the lens options a pro would want (fast zooms, primes, tilt-shifts, super teles, etc), it'd take them years to fill out the line. Even if they release the body in the next year, it's probably 3-4yrs down the line until its a viable option as a system. That also assumes 3rd party manufacturers get behind it, otherwise it's probably 5-6yrs

I somewhat agree, but you also have to look at the players.  Once potential sales dictates that one of the big players (not a niche player like Leica) push the platform forward, lenses will come fairly rapidly.  If Canon or Nikon jumps on the FF mirrorless bandwagon, the 3rd party lens makers won't be far behind.  Lenses are slow going in the mirrorless market right now because DSLR and DSLR lens sales are still what keeps the lights on.

There's currently no need to aggressively produce a ton of mirrorless lenses.  That would change quickly of one of those companies managed to produce a high demand FF mirrorless.  I agree it could be 5-6 years before they were ubiquitous but alot sooner for a fairly complete kit with the exception of superteles which I think will always remain a niche.

I'd love for Canon to do this, but the first company to pull it off with decent (no need for pro-level) autofocus will get my money.  My eventual goal is a relatively compact FF mirrorless for general all-round shooting combined with a 7D or 7DII for sports and action.  I think it would be the perfect combo.  :D

EOS-M / Re: EOS-M With Viewfinder Coming Late 2013? [CR]
« on: December 04, 2012, 02:51:54 PM »
Will not on my shopping cart until I see FF sensor.

X2 but I'm afraid the chance of that in Canikon land is very, very slim.

I agree, neither company has any interest in pursuing a FF mirrorless.  I'm sure they see that as a quick way to kill off their lucrative FF DSLR and lens sales.  I'm thinking either Fujifilm or Sony will be the 1st to do it and I'm hoping it's done in 2013.  I think Sony put out a feeler with the RX-1 to gauge interest, but the first company to produce such a camera with an acceptable (doesn't need to be pro-level) af system will get my money and probably the money of many others looking for the same thing.  Buying all new compact lenses is a given....

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR1]
« on: December 02, 2012, 04:32:23 PM »
Hard to believe that the 7DII will be more expensive than the 6D.

As per Canon's nomenclature, the 6D is a more premium model than the 7D.
So, unless Canon's marketing guys are out of wack, the 7DII won't be more expensive.

As I said in a previous post, I'm expecting that the 7DII price will remain the same as the 7D at introduction ($1699).
This is based on the expectation that the 7DII will be a warmed-over 7D but with a better sensor.

I could be wrong, of course, and the 7DII might get a price as high as the 6D.
Certainly not higher (again, unless Canon's marketing department has gone out of control).

I was told that there will be an superior AF system inside. Like the porfessional cameras use. And with an very fast picture tranfer rate. And that has it´s price.

The Canon product expert was very self confident that Canon will stay the best Camaera producer in the world. He said, that millions of sold cameras show that they meet the needs of the customers. And if I am dissatisfied, I can make a switch to another firm. That would no matter....

It would make sense that if Canon included a kit lens it would be the 15-85.  Subtract around $700 for that and you have a $2800 7D which would not surprise me in the least considering the MSRP on the 5DIII when it was released.

Naming convention aside, the 6D would NOT be a higher end camera than a 7DII.  The 6D is essentially a FF rebel and other than sensor size, even the existing 7D has a spec sheet that's light years ahead, not even in the same universe as far as features go.  The 7DII would obviously be the higher end camera, not sure how someone could think otherwise.

The only part of the story that doesn't sound right is a Canon rep telling someone that Canon will remain #1 and unsatisfied customers can go elsewhere.  A statement like that could have a huge impact on a Company's image if it got out and caught traction.  Any representative worth his or her paycheck would NEVER make such a statement and expect to remain employed, even if they were talking amongst "friendly" company.  Just doesn't make sense.

I need something, anything related to the new sensor!!!!  Somebody PLEASE leak something. :D

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR1]
« on: December 02, 2012, 04:34:46 AM »
Do you guys really think a 7d mk2 is going to come out???
I don't want to give my hopes up but I would prefer if Canon bumped the price if it meant it would be a better camera.

well none of us know for certain, hence the name "canon rumors FORUM" :D

but considering the success enjoyed by the current 7D, it would be pretty foolhardy of Canon not to introduce an updated version to remain competitive.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR1]
« on: December 01, 2012, 03:03:35 PM »
One thing missing....what is your expected/suggested price for the 7D MKII?

$1699, same as the 7D at introduction.


this is Canon we're talking about here. :D

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR1]
« on: December 01, 2012, 02:27:52 AM »
the 7D is a critical camera in the Canon lineup and I think these rumors are probably in line with what Canon has in mind.  The 7D has been the king of APS-C crop bodies for over 3 years now and I'm sure Canon is quite comfortable being in that position.

Canon doesn't have to do much in the way of upgrades here to have another hit.  It will most likely continue to have a dual digic configuration so 10fps is easily achievable.  I suspect 10fps is achievable in the current 7D but Canon had to keep the fastest burst rate for the flagship 1DIV, no such hurdle there now.  Canon seems to be bringing it's A game in af performance so I have no doubt the 7D will be stellar in that regard.  61af points would literally cover the entire screen so I'm thinking 45 af points.  Throw in a few extras like f8 af, even better weather seals and possibly higher voltage batteries to really drive the big lenses and the king will easily keep his crown.

As far as the sensor, I'm fine with the 18MP I have today but an increase in resolution is pretty much inevitable.  If Canon really does have new sensor tech, the 7DII will most certainly get it, I'm sure Canon is just as tired of hearing the word EXMOR as many of us are.

The Nikon D400 or whatever it will be called will most certainly be sporting the latest jesus sensor from Sony.  Honestly, I'm expecting greatly improved noise handling, better high ISO performance and a modest increase in DR but if I were a betting man, Sony will remain the DR king, I'd love to be wrong on that.

EOS Bodies / Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« on: November 17, 2012, 07:33:41 PM »
I'm 6'1 over 200lbs with hands to match, when I used to shoot with a Rebel, I could literally palm the camera.  A grip made that camera bearable for me, the same with my 7D.  I'd love to go with a 1DX but as an amateur who has to find time to shoot, I just can't justify the coin.  Grips are a polarizing subject for sure. :D

I do resent those that say we use grips because we wanna "look" like pros, I use a grip because I frequently shoot in portrait mode, I never have to change batteries and have man hands.  I could care less how I look to other people..lol

EOS Bodies / Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« on: November 17, 2012, 04:12:22 PM »
  • integrated grip

Wow...that would make me not buy it for sure!

I would imagine that's what a potential 70D would be for.  I add a grip to every camera I buy and it's definitely useful for sports and any time you're shooting in portrait orientation.  I think it would also enhance weather sealing for me since adding a grip always introduces another point of failure for the seals.

With or without a grip, none of these DSLRs can be considered small, I consider the benefits outweigh the minor drawbacks.

EOS Bodies / Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« on: November 17, 2012, 03:27:40 PM »
I'm looking forward to these announcements.  I decided a while ago to pass on the 5DIII because I just don't consider it much of an upgrade from an IQ perspective.  I have no need for a 40MP monster especially at the price Canon will inevitably be asking, but I'm very excited to see the 7DII and hopefully the next generation of Canon sensors.  I speculate that Canon knows they're losing right now and they'll want to maintain the dominance that the 7D has in the APS-C segment.  My wishlist:

  • I'm good with the 18MP sensor, but maybe 24 MP if Canon can make it clean
  • 10fps
  • integrated grip
  • 61pt af
  • native ISO 25k
  • finally more base ISO DR even though I'm not one who would take advantage of it in most cases
  • even better weather sealing
essentially a crop body 1DX which I think the 7D should be as the flagship APS-C camera

as for lenses

14-24 is long overdue, new 50 1.4 to fix the finicky af mechanism.  I thought the 35L needed upgrading, but now that I own it, it's stellar as is.  I'm not interested in a mirroless camera unless it's FF ILC with acceptable af performance.  The first company to produce it will get my money.  A 7DII for action and a compact FF mirrorless for everything else would be my perfect combo. 

Canon General / Re: Canon's MAP Pricing Goes Into Full Effect Today
« on: November 01, 2012, 12:24:43 PM »
I was never really thrilled with the price of the 5DIII for what you get anyways.  I've almost purchased it at least 3 times but always managed to talk myself out of it.  We'll see how long this MAP pricing lasts, the camera isn't exactly flying off the shelves these days.  I'm not worried, the market will settle this....

Lenses / Re: EF-M 55mm f/1.3 Coming in 2013? [CR1]
« on: November 01, 2012, 12:06:21 PM »
Considering the constant f1.3, I would think of this as a low light lens suitable for indoor use, but 55mm on an APS-C sensor is going to give a field of view equivalent to 88mm on a 35mm sensor.  A bit too long for indoor shooting in all but the biggest rooms IMO and forget about full body portraits unless you've got quite a bit of distance from your subject available.  I would have expected something in the 28-30 mm range first for the EOS-M mount, I think it would have been quite a bit more useful.

EOS Bodies / Re: Is a 46mp Canon EOS-1 on the Way? [CR1]
« on: September 10, 2012, 06:59:34 PM »
There's been no evidence of a mass exodus to the dark side due to the D800, there's always far more talk of switching, than actual switching.  Going with Canon or Nikon is buying into a system, the camera body having the shortest lifespan in that system.  Lenses and accessories remain current far longer than camera bodies and generally are far more expensive to replace.  Alot of people scream they're gonna switch until they do the math, admittedly some do end up changing brands, most do not.

No different than when Nikon shooters were complaining about the how inadequate 12.1 MP was on the D700 compared to the 5DII, they were screaming mass exodus but nothing happened then either.  Wash, rinse, repeat....

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