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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Watch those CF pins on your 5D3
« on: September 21, 2012, 04:33:09 PM »
The pin / socket arrangement on CF cards violates rule 101 of connector design. 
Sockets go on the power side, pins on the non powered side. 
It was designed by a total klutz.

Software & Accessories / Re: What are most people using for processing RAW
« on: September 21, 2012, 10:24:20 AM »
Mac users use Aperture, pc users use Lightroom.  Of course, there are many users who use other software, they are all pretty good, but I believe that more raw photographers use the two above.
Photoshop can do it too, but its overkill for most processing.
Nothing wrong with using Elements, just upgrade if you like it, or convert images to DNG and keep using Elements 8.

The programmer does not charge for every Camera.... this is not the same as coding for a solution. There are definitely ethical considerations here... Canon is flaunting them.... has been flaunting them for a while... 

I agree to some extent that consumers can pay a bit extra for a few more lines of code... but in my book, what Canon is doing, is called "Usury".... it could be argued to be ethical, but it is definitely immoral.

Flaunting ethical considerations? Immorality?  Sheesh.  Canon is running a business.  They're not a church or a charity.  They're selling what amounts to a luxury good, not charging impoverished, starving people thousands of dollars for a morsel of food and a sip of water.  Their goal is to make a profit. Period.  So long as they're not breaking the law, it's all fair game. If they want to hand paint a fuschia ring on the nifty-fifty using sparkly nail polish, call it a L3 Ultra-Cine lens, and charge $50,000 for it, they can. If you don't want it, don't buy it.  If one filmmaker who's obsessed with the color fuschia buys it, and Canon makes a 3,000-fold profit on that sale, good for Canon.

If Fujio Mitarai points a real cannon (artillery piece) at your house, and threatens to shoot cannonballs through it with your family inside unless you buy a 1D C, that's unethical and immoral (not to mention illegal).  But they can charge whatever price they want for their products - ethics and morality are irrelevant.

So we agree it is immoral  :P
I suppose that you think that multimillion dollar center in Hollywood to support customers of Canon's Cinema products came for free, and the people working there should donate their time.  After all, its immoral to charge for your work.  All that makes up part of the cost of the product.
You need to look at the whole picture, not just a tiny portion.

Lenses / Re: Update for the EF 24-105 f/4 L ?
« on: September 20, 2012, 08:19:58 PM »
Its relatively new as lenses go, and a excellent lens.  Its possible we will see a new version, but there are many others that actually need a upgrade.

Canon General / Re: How come Canon never responds to anything?
« on: September 20, 2012, 08:16:07 PM »
I'd suspect that they will never tell you why they make the business decisions.  Does McDonalds tell us how they price their products?
Many of the Technical queries are answered by Chuck Westfall, but you have to ask.  He won't reveal any reasons for design decisions though, virtually no company does.

EOS Bodies / Re: Is that really it for Canon at Photokina 2012?
« on: September 20, 2012, 08:10:47 PM »
The global economy is in a nosedive.  Introducing new products is going to be delayed if possible.  Companies do not like to come out with new products that can only be sold at a loss.  It cost a bundle to introduce and build up inventory of a new product, and Canon already has several new ones being introduced.  I suspect they are conserving cash.

EOS Bodies / Re: POLL: Would you pay for firmware feature upgrades?
« on: September 20, 2012, 08:02:41 PM »
With Canon admitting that the 1Dc = 1DX + firmware update to enable 4K video recording (see EOSHD) for twice the price :o and now with camera owners wanting bespoke software (a la carte), it is only a matter of time before MTV + some Eastern European Hackers (they study Visual C++ in high school in Bulgaria/Romania/Hungary ??? ) get together and produce a new TV series entitled PIMP MY DSLR!
Show us the Canon article.  Or maybe its one of those saying my Canon man confirmed bla bla bla.  Just like the Canon man recently confirming the 24-70mmL delay until after October.

Is this the same Canon person that confirmed the 24-70mmL MK II was delayed until after October?
Certainly, much of the hardware will be the same. 

EOS Bodies / Re: POLL: Would you pay for firmware feature upgrades?
« on: September 20, 2012, 04:51:06 PM »
This question seems to get posted every few months. I'm not sure why you are asking

... because I guess that the 1/180 x-sync and 1/4000 shutter limitations on the 6d are not hardware limitations, but put there by marketing to set every spec in the sheet below the 5d3. And because I am still annoyed by the missing afma on my 60d.

Canon has not charged for firmware upgrades and I've seen no serious possibility that they will.

That's because all were minor upgrades or they had no choice to revive a camera line (5d2, 7d). They certainly aren't in the habit of continuing firmware development after release, but if they'd introduce a modular system that brought them revenue they might. If I was a Canon exec I'd introduce it, can't get worse than now :-)
While its possible that the 1/180 synch and 1/4000 shutter are firmware related, they are appropriate for the intended customers, those upgrading from Rebels. 
I'd certainly not pay to change them.  Not having any info about the design of the shutter, its entirely possible and likely even that its life would be reduced by 75% going to 1/8000 sec.
I did a check of my 40K images just now and found 61 images using shutter speeds over 1/4000 sec.  Thats .0017 of them, Then, I viewed all 61 of them, none really needed that high speed, they were shot letting the camera pick the shutter speed and mostly user error.
Most buying into a entry level body are not going to need the high shutter speed.

I was just reading this little bit of an interview with Nikon's Dirk Jasper, published on DPreview:


It mostly discusses the new D600 but I like the very last line, a point I don't remember Canon ever mentioning.

"Even second hand, or refurbished, a good lens is still worth its price, ten or twenty years later. Especially for enthusiasts, backwards and downwards compatibility is very important. Once you invest your money in a system it must be safe. You must get value for money. "

We do know that Canon glass, especially the L series stuff from the last 10 or 12 years, does hold its value extremely well.  In fact, it's been my best performing investment ever!

But I take the context of Dirk's comment to imply the whole camera-lens system.
Even OUT of context, I'd like to hear Canon say, and mean, they intend to offer good value for money.  Something I think the new 6D fails to deliver and something the 5D3 didn't exactly deliver at its intro price either.

If you had spent $20K on a set of Canon lenses in 1998, they would likely be worth well more than $15K today.
But, if you had spent $15K on similar Nikon AIs and "D" lenses in 1998, you would have lost most of it.  Even though they may be good lenses, the old screw drive ("D") lenses, for example,  have lost their value pretty quickly, and do not autofocus on Nikon's entry level cameras.  Then, the first Nikon "g" lenses were optimized for APS-C bodies simply because Nikon did not have a FF body.  This makes them less valuable. 
Nikon is pulling your leg if they claim that buying their System lenses has been a good investment.
I really doubt that any Canon or Nikon bodies from 1998 have much value today, so its only lenses that have the potential to last.
Your comment about the 6D doesn't make much sense.  It will likely retain more of its value than a Digital Rebel as years pass. 

EOS Bodies / Re: POLL: Would you pay for firmware feature upgrades?
« on: September 20, 2012, 04:09:52 PM »
This question seems to get posted every few months.  I'm not sure why you are asking, Canon has not charged for firmware upgrades and I've seen no serious possibility that they will.
However, to answer the question.  If there were a feature that I had to pay to unlock, and I thought it was worth the price, I'd pay.  However, I can't think of a firmware feature that I'm really that interested in that I would buy.
The Magic Lantern firmware is free, and I don't bother to download it. If they get it going for the 5D Mark III, I might try the focus stacking.  Being able to run it from the SD card slot while capturing to the CF card seems interesting.

Canon General / Re: How do you sell your gear?
« on: September 20, 2012, 03:55:15 PM »
I usually end up selling on ebay, but sold my 5D Mark II on Craigslist a couple of days back.
A tip for selling on ebay ...  Set a fair price, have awsome photos and a description that shows you know the lens.
Then, sell for a fixed price.  The fees are much lower.  I am normally able to sell for enough extra on ebay to cover their fees and then some.  If you follow the Paypal Rules, you are covered from scammers.
Fred Miranda sellers typically get a lot less than ebay sellers, and end up paying the Paypal fees.  There is no protection from scammers, so its the riskiest way to sell.

Lenses / Re: Which to get: 50mm f/1.8 or 35mm f/2?
« on: September 20, 2012, 11:25:09 AM »
Hi all.

Ive got a 60D with the new STM 18-135 lens.

Im looking for a prime lens. I cant spend a ton of money at this point as id still consider myself an amateur but I want to have something in this range to work with. I would consider upgrading later on if I find that I've outgrown my equipment. Im not looking for an expensive lens for right now.

Thoughts on which lens is better for me?

thanks team!

You need to figure out your sweet spots . . . how many photos do you have with the STM?  The best thing to do is figure out where most  of your shots have been in the range of the zoom you have and choose those.  If you're always shooting at one end or the other, you may need something you don't already have for range.
+1.  The question is asking about focal length, and only he knows which focal length he likes best.

I use the 60mb/sec cards with no problems.  The fast cards might make a difference if you are trying to shoot high fps sequences and need a extra frame or two before the buffer fills.  You can also cut the transfer time to your computer if you have a good USB-3 reader.
Get what you need, 60 mb/sec works fine.
One thing to consider, is that if you use dual cards and write to both, your speed will be limited by the slowest card, so even 60mb/sec will be overkill if a class 10 SDXC card is installed.

Canon General / Re: How many of us are making money out of photography ?
« on: September 19, 2012, 11:16:57 PM »
I shoot for my online store where I sell thru various venues.  Thus, photography profits are not something that have a calcuable number.  Better images are part of generating more sales, but not anywhere the whole story.

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