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EOS Bodies / Re: 1D Mark III vs. waiting for 5D MK III

« on: October 14, 2011, 04:07:07 PM »

Thanks for your answers.
I'll just answer some questions you wrote.

I do want to do wildlife (probably most of it will be birding - I love birds!) - but at the moment I'm mostly doing landscape and portrait. So what I'm wondering is if I get me a 1D Mark III for 1500-1600$ now - wouldn't it be great paired with the new 5D Mark III (to come) or a used 1Ds Mark III (to be outdated since 1Ds Mark IV by then) ?
That's what I'm wondering. I'm fully aware that the 1D Mark III isn't a FF camera - since it wouldn't be for shooting landscape and portraits, at least not after I have a full frame camera - I would want to use it for faster things. Maybe I could even end up with buying a 5D Mark II and a 1D Mark III?
Since they're both awesome cameras on their terrain - and paired on pretty much any terrain.

Another thing: I strongly dislike the 7D. I just hate it. Everyone, even those that clearly do not need it, buys himself/herself a 7D. Yet I also dislike the small sensor with 18 Megapixel - why do I need those darn 18 Megapixels? I don't. As for the 8FPS - they're nice, but compared to 10FPS - no more that nice. Even less nice if you take a look at the release years of those two compared cameras. ;o)


However: what do you think?

So, you dislike small sensor, 18MP is too much for you, 8fps is to slow and you hate 7D for having all of those "features". Do you hate your 450D even more? It looks like you want that 1D3 badly and you are asking us to help you to justify the purchase . If it will make you happy then just go for it. That's all that matters, really.
Most probably, 5D3 will have more than 20MP and less than 8fps, so you may hate it as well.

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EOS Bodies / Re: New DSLR on Tuesday, October 18, 2011. [CR3]

« on: October 14, 2011, 08:30:51 AM »

Combine FF sensor with 60D body + 60D AF + 3fps and it's already better than 5D2, isn't it?

You´ll get FF with the same AF, worse fps + worse build quality.  How is that better than 5D2?

Well, obviously, it would have a new FF sensor, Digic5 and 60D AF is actually better. I forgot that 5D2 has 3.9fps, not 3fps, I meant to make those equal. I'm sure that for $1500 it would sell like hot cakes and nobody would care about "worse build quality".

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EOS Bodies / Re: New DSLR on Tuesday, October 18, 2011. [CR3]

« on: October 14, 2011, 07:27:46 AM »

Then again there is a problem, if a "cheap FF" will be born at 7D's price point, it could be "the end" for the 7D. I wouldn't buy a crop camera over FF for the same price. Would you?

Yes, if I needed better AF and a faster burst mode

but you're right: that may be a relatively small market

Canon isn't foolish - they'll want to keep a high-end crop camera.  Lots of people upgrading from a Rebel/xxxD or an xxD will have EF-S lenses, and they've shown there's a demand for a top-of-the-line in the APS-C segment.   The 5DII AF is already a handicap.  If they release a 'cheap' FF camera, it will have many handicaps compared to the 7D line (not just a weak AF, but likely xxD build, probably only 3 fps, etc.).

Let's be honest here - many of us, as consumers, want a FF camera with pro AF, enough MP for a decent 1.3x or 1.6x mode, 8-10 fps, excellent build, and priced under $3K.  Could Canon build such a camera?  I bet they could.  Will they?  Of course not.  Their goal is not to make us happy, it's to make money and turn a profit for their shareholders.  As such, they will fragment the market to the largest extent possible, so they have something in every price category yet leave room for people to aspire to the next one up the line.  Have $1K - get an xxD, but not the best APS-C.  Have $1.5K, get a 7D, best APS-C but not FF.  Have $2.5K - get a 5DII, FF but slow and weak AF.  Have $4K - get a 7D and a 5DII, great combination, but then you have two camera to carry, or choose one to take out.  Have $5K - get the APS-H compromise, some great features, but not FF.  Have $7K, get the 1DsIV (hopefully, we'll see that next, please!) - it's the top of the line.  But then you need longer lenses.   

That's exactly my point. Combine FF sensor with 60D body + 60D AF + 3fps and it's already better than 5D2, isn't it? However, Canon could produce a mirrorless FF camera at $2000 price point with the intention to please the videography market, while killing the M4/3 and NEX (even Leica?) at the same time. Why don't they?

EDIT:
Talking about the longer lenses. FF body with a teleconverter would give you similar (or better) result to what a crop body is capable of.

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EOS Bodies / Re: New DSLR on Tuesday, October 18, 2011. [CR3]

« on: October 14, 2011, 05:35:08 AM »

3] Both new 1D and 5D will have the same sensor. No 6D, no 3D, no 2D, no 8D, no 4D, no any other "entry level" FF DSLR, a used 5D or 5D2 is your entry level. 5D2 should not be discontinued once 5D3 is released, big price drop expected ($2000?). I don't think that Canon could drop the APS-H just to make another, parallel FF line. It's more about sharing the same sensor and adding more features while keeping the sane price.

Basing the 1D5 and 5D3 around the same sensor would be an interesting departure, in terms of the positioning of the 5D, but more interestingly in terms of achieving economies of manufacturing scale, due to the number of 5Ds that Canon sells.

That would also preserve sales of the 1Ds line, because photographers who really need super-high resolution would not have the option of the 5D line as an alternative.

If this happens, I would expect a sensor that is shared by the 1D5 and 5D3 to be in the region of 27 to 32MP - definitely higher than 18MP.

That is correct. I believe it will be around 30MP

5] New APS-C sensor next year for all new crop bodies - 7D2, 70D and 650D.

Has Canon painted itself into a corner here by allowing the 600D and 60D to reach the same sensor as the 7D well before Canon really needs to replace the 7D?  It would be difficult for Canon to update the x0D or xx0D lines, especially with a new sensor, before releasing the 7D2.

What this all does still beg the question of is whether Canon would consider a lower MP full frame body.  That is probably dependent on the economics of producing the sensor.  There are probably a lot of enthusiasts who are still put off by the price of the 5D2, but who would pay a price somewhere above that of a 60D, maybe as much as a 7D for a full frame body.

Yes, I'm expecting 7D2 to be the first (spring release season) and 70D to be the last (late summer) while 650D being somewhere in between or in a company with one of those (probably 7D2). On the other hand, all of them could be announced at the same time (spring release) and leave the late summer/autumn (photokina?) event for something else, like 5D3 if it's not coming this month .
Then again there is a problem, if a "cheap FF" will be born at 7D's price point, it could be "the end" for the 7D. I wouldn't buy a crop camera over FF for the same price. Would you?

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EOS Bodies / Re: New DSLR on Tuesday, October 18, 2011. [CR3]

« on: October 14, 2011, 05:05:29 AM »

6] FF Foveon? Yes, please. Better details, better color, why not? But I really don't expect to see it in Canon body any time soon.

From what I hear, Foveon sensors have an issue with color accuracy. Of course, the folks who made this claim may be wrong. Or maybe Canon has a solution to this.

Then again, why does everyone think adoption of Foveon sensors is the best solution to all Canon sensor problems? Canon's dynamic range issue has more to do with their sensor electronic layout than anything else (not pixel size etc).

Yes, but it has the potential

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EOS Bodies / Re: 1D Mark III vs. waiting for 5D MK III

« on: October 13, 2011, 06:40:24 PM »

I would get the 7D instead of the 1D3. Actually I did, twice.
I doubt that 5D3 will go as fast as 7fps, 5 is more realistic number.
Don't buy something just because it's cheap. You have to decide what you need most - FF? or fast fps?

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EOS Bodies / Re: New DSLR on Tuesday, October 18, 2011. [CR3]

« on: October 13, 2011, 06:15:57 PM »

1] No new DSLR announcements in November-December. October is their last chance in 2011.
2] I'm pretty sure it would be a 1D5, not 1Ds4. All Canon 1D/1Ds Marks and their Digic processors had the same number. Digic5 is already here, so it must be 1D5 then
3] Both new 1D and 5D will have the same sensor. No 6D, no 3D, no 2D, no 8D, no 4D, no any other "entry level" FF DSLR, a used 5D or 5D2 is your entry level. 5D2 should not be discontinued once 5D3 is released, big price drop expected ($2000?). I don't think that Canon could drop the APS-H just to make another, parallel FF line. It's more about sharing the same sensor and adding more features while keeping the sane price.
4] If there will be a new Canon Medium Format camera, it won't have 1Ds name on it. Different mount = different system.
5] New APS-C sensor next year for all new crop bodies - 7D2, 70D and 650D.
6] FF Foveon? Yes, please. Better details, better color, why not? But I really don't expect to see it in Canon body any time soon.
7] I could be wrong

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EOS Bodies / Re: 60D or Wait?

« on: October 11, 2011, 04:51:16 AM »

The 60D's best advantage is its autofocus system, but if you shoot video you won't even use it!

Actually there is more:
better battery
better built and grip
pentaprism
more fps and larger buffer
better controls (back wheel, top lcd)

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EOS Bodies / Re: 60D or Wait?

« on: October 10, 2011, 04:04:41 AM »

... would you go 30mm or 50mm as your only prime on a crop body camera?

Definitely 30mm. However, it may be a good idea to get 50mm if you will buy a FF camera in the near future.
Nice tele zoom - EF 70-200/2.8L IS USM II - if you can afford one.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 60D or Wait?

« on: October 09, 2011, 01:49:53 PM »

1] Vari-Angle LCD is a BIG plus for videos. So, 60D or 600D may be the right choice.
2] You may need a nice constant aperture (f/2.8 ) zoom lens with image stabilization for smooth handheld filming. Something like Tamron 17-50/2.8VC or Sigma 17-50OS would be great.
3] If you'll shoot on a tripod or use steady shot stabilizers then you may consider some fast primes, but I suggest you to look for manual lenses because those will allow you to focus a lot easier and with better precision. Adapted older (used) manual primes (M42, FD, Nikkor, etc) would do, as well as the affordable Samyang/Rokinon glass. This way you can save some money for a good tripod, external sound recording device, extra batteries, etc.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Price point of a 5Dmk2 replacement

« on: September 30, 2011, 11:31:50 AM »

Once APS-C sensors are good enough with low noise & high DR, I think we will see a shift from EF to EF-S lenses.... but I Digress.

Good enough?  I suppose that's debateable.  But they are certainly popular enough right now...and I'd argue that we've already seen the shift from EF to EF-S lenses.  How many non-L EF lenses has Canon released lately?  The last one was the 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM in 2005 - and that's the only one in the last 10 years (the one before that was the 100mm f/2.8 Macro USM, in 2000).

Going forward, I expect we'll see only L lenses and EF-S lenses released or updated.  FF will be around for a long time - even with improvements in noise and DR (with the former limited by the ongoing trend for rising MP counts), there are limits on DoF and due to diffraction with APS-C.  So, the L lenses for those with FF cameras, and EF-S lenses for everyone else.

I think you are right. There may be no new non-L EF lenses in the future. Canon's new 100L Macro and 70-300L somewhat confirms this theory. However, if this is really happening, then we should see some new EF-S primes coming soon (I hope).

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Canon General / Re: Nikon's FB Page "A photographer is only as good as the equipment he uses..."

« on: September 30, 2011, 09:14:51 AM »

It's all about the right tool for the job. If you are able to take some great pictures using P&S camera it means that the gear is good enough for the job and, probably, any decent photographer can do it. But, if you think that your skills can somehow compensate for not using a proper gear, then you are terribly wrong.
That Nikon guy was talking about a photographer, not just some newbie with a camera. When you think about it really deep, you'll understand that he is right. The "proper gear" is not always the most expensive one. A good photographer must be capable of using his equipment to it's full potential. So, better equipment = more potential.

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EOS Bodies / Re: No 5D Mark III on Novemeber 3 [CR2]

« on: September 26, 2011, 04:34:58 PM »

^ an evf will ruin the 5d line evf flickr and are unprofessional I prefer optical viewfinders but thats just me.

and you are not alone

Things heard in the past
1) Film is better, digital is unprofessional
2) Auto focus is unprofessional. Manual focus in what the Pros do.
3) Electronic aperture is for amateurs. I need the aperture ring.

Now, most people now will not go back to film, want their 90 point autofocus and all the exposure features that electronic aperture offer. And SOON, people will think the same thing about EVFs. They will say, how did I ever live without it? Why? Because EVFs allows a much broader range of useable lenses, much better judging of exposure and from what I understand (I might be wrong) a faster burst speed (like the new Sonys) which is only possible without the mirror.

Ironically, I shoot video so I don't use auto focus, I would prefer a manual aperture ring for more universal adaption. But I want an EVF because of benefits mentioned above, especially quicker snap judgement of exposure without relying so much on the meter when doing things Manual, which is what I almost always do.

Just like all other aspects of a modern camera, electronics will over take the OVF and in hindsight, people will embrace it and learn to like it.

However, today's EVF technology is not at the level when it is actually better than the OVF (yet). But I'm sure it will evolve and replace the pentaprism in the future. The problem is that nobody knows when that future is coming till it's already here. Finally, 5D won't become a camcorder no matter what your dreams are, it's a DSLR. Just wait for Canon to release a FF something which will be THE camera for videos.

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EOS Bodies / Re: No 5D Mark III on Novemeber 3 [CR2]

« on: September 26, 2011, 02:52:11 PM »

^ an evf will ruin the 5d line evf flickr and are unprofessional I prefer optical viewfinders but thats just me.

and you are not alone

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EOS Bodies / Re: No 5D Mark III on Novemeber 3 [CR2]

« on: September 26, 2011, 02:38:00 PM »

"No 5D Mark III on Novemeber 3"?
What did you expect? Canon has never announced a DSLR in November (December too). Why it should be different this year?
October is their last chance in 2011.