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There is little doubt as to my bias.  As I looked at different areas of the image, the difference between cameras changed, sometimes by a significant amount.  The area I finally picked was one that I thought allowed me to see contrast, color, and resolution.  I went a lot by the readability of the text in the edge of the pie chart.  Reducing the resolution of the higher mp cameras will make them look better, and looking for different characteristics will give different results.
 
In the end, there is no absolute formula, its a matter of personal preference, which is a form of bias.
 
Arguing about a preference is not going to change another persons view, and proclaiming that my view is the correct one will bring a lot of disagreement.
 
I'll still want to wait for more professional reviewers, but its obviously already a improvement over the previous Canon APS-C cameras at high ISO's.  At low ISO's and a proper exposure, they all look pretty similar to me.

Knowing you, I'm sure you did a much more thorough and conscientious examination than I did. But, I pretty much came to the same conclusion (emphasized above). It may be my bias, but I think it's an improvement over most other brands at high ISOs, not just Canon.

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The 7DII seems to handle smooth gradients and constant tones WAY better than the 7D did.  That was a major issue I had with the 7D.

In any case, the 5DIII definitely shows more detail, and less chroma and luminescence noise at high ISO than the 7DII does.  But man, you really have to look for it.  I'm questioning if its worthwhile to pay twice as much for a refurbished 5DIII and 24-105, when I can "simply" buy a new 7DII and not have to deal with the transition to FF.  I tend to shoot slow moving targets more often but still, the 7DII is compelling.

Now you done it! How dare you suggest full frame might not be worth the investment!

Seriously, even though I switched from 7D I to 5DIII about a year ago, I'd have to say you really do need to think long and hard about whether or not it's worth the price of entry to full frame. I would say it depends in part on what lenses you already own because, as you correctly point out, it's not just the cost of the body, it's the cost of the lenses as well.

Clearly the gap is narrowing and while there always will be a gap, it is moving more and more toward the margins.

Now, expect to see an avalanche of posts from full framers telling you how APS-C can never compete with full frame. But, just remember, we have to justify our investment.

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Third Party Manufacturers / DxO mark: here we go again!!!
« on: October 24, 2014, 12:34:52 PM »
From Nikon rumors:

http://nikonrumors.com/2014/10/23/nikon-d750-camera-tested-at-dxomark.aspx/

Let the trashing begin.

I think the one that I find most amusing is that they rate the Nikon D810 higher in low-light ISO performance than the 6D. Yet, if you use the comparisons on DPReview even a blind squirrel can see how awful the D810 is at higher ISOs.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: clown* photographer
« on: October 24, 2014, 12:23:48 PM »
oh boy..you just had to ask...didn't you...LOL! It's complicated. It is a light painting set-up...

Get that baby on Kickstarter...Now!

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As expected, biases are easier to believe than evidence.

That's one reason why I like these kinds of comparisons and sample images. I can judge for myself and use my own criteria.

At the same time, it's amusing to watch some people twist and turn as they try to rationalize their biases and even more entertaining when they couch it in pseudo-scientific lingo and pretend to be the ultimate authorities on sensor noise.

My own, undoubtedly biased opinion:

The differences between full frame and APS-C sensors used to be small. Now they are approaching tiny.

The differences between sensors of different brands but of roughly the same size used to be tiny, now they are approaching miniscule.

The major difference, at least at higher ISOs, seems to be the number of pixels, regardless of brand. The new Nikon D750 seems to be about equal to the 5DIII and 6D, while to my eyes, the D810 is absolutely horrible at higher ISOs.

I was disappointed in the Fuji X-Pro 1. (The only mirrorless camera I would ever consider) Given its lower resolution, I expected it to do better. But then it's sensor is getting a little long in the tooth by APS-C standards.

Given the tiny differences and the fact that Canon is clearly holding its own in the sensor quality realm, I think it is completely logical and admirable for Canon to place more emphasis on other areas such as improved autofocus.

If your goal in life is to lift shadows by five stops and shoot dark rooms that have the exposure set for an open window, then another brand might be your better option.

As for my own personal situation, as a 5DIII owner, I'm intrigued by the 7D, but a better investment of my resources would be in either the new Tamron or Sigma  600 zooms.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: clown* photographer
« on: October 23, 2014, 11:32:10 AM »
And do you feel sufficiently superiour now?

Why do you care what other people use?  If he is happy with the Ipad, great.

+1. He doesn't look like a clown to me. No red nose, no big shoes. Not so sure about the guy who had to rush back to his car and pull out a 1D to prove he's a real photographer.

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Just my opinion, but it seems to me that Canon made a decision to "look the other way" regarding Magic Lantern.

I really don't see any downside to Canon. If Magic Lantern ever distributed something that harmed the camera, they would be within their rights to say the customer voided the warranty. (I'm guessing that somewhere in their warranty language there is a clause that would justify this.)

Canon gets a willing group of developers and beta testers for nothing. Their products gain usability that makes them more competitive. They don't sell firmware, so it represents a net gain, not a loss, in revenues.

The bigger threat, by far, comes from Yongnuo. Some of their clones are undoubtedly violating patents and their newer products are decently made and sell for a fraction of the cost of Canon products. I would think they represent most camera manufacturers worst nightmare – a Chinese company that offers low cost products that function identically to the name brand and are in the ballpark on quality.

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Lighting / Re: Yongnuo killed my batteries - warranty case?
« on: October 22, 2014, 03:50:43 PM »
Well...all news to me. Questions:

Don't store fully charged batteries anywhere?; Or don't store fully charged batteries inside a device?

Store batteries that are less than fully charged?

Don't let batteries drain completely?

Okay, so if I store a battery that is partially discharged and don't use it for a few months, will it discharge and then become a completely drained battery?

I thought the advantage of NiMH batteries (like Eneloops) was that they held a charge indefinitely and did not develop a memory. Is this wrong? Partially wrong?

With six 600 EX RTs, plus battery packs I've got quite an investment in Eneloops, so this is a real concern to me.

Recommendations?

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Can I copy camera pics direct to a tablet?
« on: October 21, 2014, 04:56:38 PM »
Hi North Star.

Could you kindly tell me if you copied the files from a CF card or an SD card? I've been looking for a solution to the same question & the Apple Camera Kit is only compatible with SD cards. Since I don't use a SD card, the other option - lightening to USB cable supposedly (internet tells me) can't power a card reader to copy content from CF card to iPad. And I want to avoid connecting my camera directly to the iPad ( even though thats possible with the charging turned off) if I can. Is there a way around?

Thanks for you help.

ronak...

I'm pretty sure you can copy from either CF or SD... The Apple camera connection kit includes TWO connectors, one is an SD reader/connector and the other is a USB connector.   Just buy(you probably already have one) a mini USB to USB cable, plug the mini USB into the camera, and the USB into the connector attached to your iPad...now you're good to go!!

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC531ZM/A/apple-ipad-camera-connection-kit?fnode=3a

Hope this helps.

north

Just be aware that this kit is for the old iPad connection. If you need the newer connection, you need to buy two separate cables at $29 each (or pick which one you want to use -- either direct connect to camera or plug in the SD card)

Connect to camera:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD821ZM/A/lightning-to-usb-camera-adapter?fnode=3a

Use SD card:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD822ZM/A/lightning-to-sd-card-camera-reader?fnode=3a


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Reviews / Re: Gizmodo reviews the Canon 7D Mark II
« on: October 21, 2014, 02:47:31 PM »
...Once the hype is over and reality sets in, it will be seen as a camera for special purposes, and over priced for 99% of new DSLR users who buy a DSLR, then don't like the shallow depth of field, and put it in a closet.  This forum has lots of camera enthusiasts, but is not representative of the average DSLR buyer who goes to Best Buy or Amazon and buys one that looks impressive.

I think you underestimate Canon's market research.

I doubt if they ever considered new DSLR buyers to be a major market for the 7D and even less so for the 7D II.

"Overpriced" – Of course that is in the eye of the buyer. But, I doubt if serious action shooters, wildlife and bird shooters will consider it overpriced if if gets them pictures they could not get without spending $7,000 on a 1Dx or might not be able to get by spending $3,000 on a 5DIII.

Canon does an exceptional job of researching the market and then pinpointing their products to buyers. This is clearly targeted to some lucrative markets.

A few:

Helicopter parents who are willing to spend almost any amount in order to preserve their children's high school sports careers, which for most high school athletes, will be the pinnacle of their sports careers. Take the number of starting players in any sport, multiply it by the number of sports offered at your average high school and then multiply that by the number of high schools in the United State's alone...then add in all the high school yearbook advisers who will need this camera for their student photographers. Just selling the 7DII to a fraction of that market will make it a best seller.

Birding is one of the most popular and fastest growing outdoor activities, especially among the burgeoning and high-disposable income baby-boomer generation. Couple this body with either the Tamron or the Sigma 600 zooms and birders finally have a package that allows them to take pictures of the same quality as they see in publications. (and yes...Canon is missing out by not offering an alternative to the Tamron and Sigma...yet)

The newspaper business may be dying, but the ones that remain are increasingly reliant on web galleries and print sales to boost income. Most smaller papers expect photographers to buy their own cameras and don't pay them enough to buy a 5D, much less a 1Dx. The 7D will become the tool of choice for small market photojournalists.

Whatever else you might think about the 7DII, you can't really argue that Canon has once again pinpointed a market and crafted a product that meets that market's needs. 5DIII -- tool of choice for wedding and event photographers; 6D -- step up camera for those wanting to move to full frame; and now the 7DII perfectly targeted to its audience.

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Reviews / Re: Gizmodo reviews the Canon 7D Mark II
« on: October 21, 2014, 10:53:17 AM »
Trying to get this straight: according to the review the original 7D was a great all-purpose camera.

The 7DII comes out and it does everything the original 7D did, plus it has more features, better low-light performance, better autofocus, etc., etc. all for the same price. But according to this review it's not an all-purpose camera?

What exactly do they think you could do with the 7D that you can't do better with the 7DII?

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: LP-E6N Backwards Compatible
« on: October 21, 2014, 10:46:25 AM »
Yes. http://www.canon-asia.com/snapshot/eos-7dmk2-579/
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Q: Can we continue to make use of the existing battery model
A:“Yes.” The new LP-E6N (1,865mAh) has a larger capacity, while maintaining the same shape as the LP-E6 (1,800mAh). The existing battery charger also remains usable, so equipment that you have purchased for the EOS 7D will not go to waste.

That wasn't my question though.

Has anyone seen any information from Canon as to whether or not the new LP-E6N is compatible with older model cameras, such as the 5DIII and 7DI?

I think the consensus is that the new batteries will be compatible, but I still wish Canon would simply say that somewhere.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II to Move Upmarket? [CR1]
« on: October 20, 2014, 07:40:08 PM »
...don't think for a minute that it hasn't been a great success for Canon.

Well the rumour is that it's Canon themselves saying this about the sales not the CR complainers. We just offer up some simple explanations lol

And now Canon says its disappointed with 6D sales ??? -- Hey Canon!  You set the stage.

Here we go again. Canon DID NOT say they were disappointed in 6D sales. Some random guy on the internet said Canon is disappointed in 6D sales. No sales numbers to back it up...no statement in Canon's investor briefing...no nothing with any credibility. Just some random guy making things up.

The 6D, for most of the past year, has dominated the Amazon sales ranking as the best selling full frame camera on the market. It's slipped only in the past few weeks due to Nikon's recent introduction of the D750 and the D810 – both of which are meeting pent up demand from Nikon users.

The D610 BTW is at about #31 -- well under both the 7DI and the 60D (two cameras that have been replaced.) The 6D without lens is at #13 right now, and at #20 with lens.

Don't believe every random statement on the internet. Canon could not possibly be disappointed in 6D sales because the camera has been kicking butt since its release. People are simply projecting their own opinion, and then making things up.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II to Move Upmarket? [CR1]
« on: October 20, 2014, 05:31:45 PM »


Have you tried reprogramming the menus? I added "External Speedlite control" to the "My Menu", and reprogrammed the SET button to bring up the FEC settings and that really simplified things for me during lit shoots. I really wish you could break out the "Flash function" settings from the External Speedlite control menu and get to it with one touch, then it would be ideal when it's too fiddly to see/reach the ST-E3, but this is workable for me.

Hi, yeah I have the menus set up like that right now but still find it clunkier than it needs to be. I use the Yongnuo triggers and would love to be able to shortcut a button to the Flash Function Settings.

As opposed to....
1. Menu (go to My Menu)
2. Scroll to External Speedlite Control
3. Scroll to Flash function settings
4. Adjust the various settings

When I need to make a slight tweak it's the same again.

I totally agree that the FEC shortcut works great for on camera or single flash shoots but it would be so much easier if this was tidied up a bit.

This is one of the reasons why I advocate for touch-screen technology. It wouldn't be an ideal fix, but it would certainly make things faster if all you had to do was touch the screen to move through the menus.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II to Move Upmarket? [CR1]
« on: October 19, 2014, 02:10:34 PM »
I know this is the internet, people like to make things up and it's probably futile to try to correct the myths, but...

...it is absolutely wrong that the 6D has not been a good seller for Canon or that there is any way Canon could be disappointed in its sales.

Until recent weeks, the 6D has consistently been the best selling full-frame DSLR on the Amazon best sellers ranking. Only in recent weeks, with the introduction of new full frame models from Nikon (which are likely selling as a result of pent-up demand from Nikon users), has the 6D dropped. But, it still sells very well (No. 12 as currently). Once the pent-up demand from Nikon users subsides, and holiday sales begin, it's very likely the 6D will again take over as the sales king of full frame DSLRs.

People can dispute the list, but I've yet to see any other independent ranking that shows the relative sales of camera models.

You can complain all you want about the 6D and its features, but unless you can produce better numbers, don't think for a minute that it hasn't been a great success for Canon.

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