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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« on: August 17, 2012, 01:17:58 PM »
I personally hope that Canon takes some of the bells and whistles from the latest 650D/T4i and put them in this new body. Things like an articulating touchscreen, continuous AF in video and stereo mic. Put the whole thing in a package similar to the 7D with similar weather sealing and sell it. Granted, this might make the camera superior to the 5DIII in video (if they ended up having the same sensor) but will differentiate the two bodies.

I agree that touch "rotating-thing" is what Canon could use - but I doubt that, well, if this body has to fit between 5 and 7 series (mag-alloy body and some weather sealing).

As for continuous AF in video - that would require redesign of FF sensor - which means added R&D costs whish results in higher price.

...also this new body with all features you mentioned (mag-alloy, wheater sealing, flippy thing, touchscreen, dual mics) - it would be better in some way that 5D Mk III. No way that Canon would make such product.

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Speaking of the Nikon D600, it is now rumored to include a 51-point AF system instead of the 39-point AF originally rumored. If true, then this makes me wonder if Canon can get away with a 7D AF? Maybe a few modification or a new AF between the 19-point AF and the 63-point AF would do.... perhaps something from the old 1D series (if it fits the smaller packaging, that is).


As for AF: Have you read all info regarding rumored Nikon AF ? That rumored AF would have 9 cross type points ?

Yes, 7D AF has "just" 19 points. The truth is they are all cross type (which means more precise). So yes, giving 7D AF makes sense. They could also re-use 1D Mk IV AF (and keep f/8 possible) - which has 39 cross-type points (and that would attract lots of people).

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EOS Bodies / Re: Leaked 6D Image?
« on: August 10, 2012, 03:16:58 PM »
Look at http://bbs.news.163.com/bbs/shishi/149311320.html

It seems to have been posted in 2009!


Ive found it too. What Ive found out is that it was uploaded days (8/21/2009) before 7D was announced (9/1/2009) - so maybe its a foto of a prototype that surfaced as 7D or...more probably a fake.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« on: August 10, 2012, 08:46:31 AM »
Costwise in the same boat. I hardly commercialize my photography. What would be the max in shutter actuations? 100k? Hope they'd give it a 150k, especially if the price tag could be slightly higher as expected, according to Canon's pricing policy  these last months...

Same as me  :) Im just taking it as a hobby, not a profession. Well, shutter actuations - I can live with 100k. With my 450D Ive taken +- 80k in 4 years and its still shooting ok. What I think is they need to replace 5D Mk II (sure, its still great camera) as their cash cow - and with those rumored specs it could be a damn good seller.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Leaked 6D Image?
« on: August 10, 2012, 08:41:26 AM »
Photoshopped from a 7D body? Not convincing that Canon will release both the 6D and 9D. Plus the two looks exactly the same, including lighting and shadows. However, notice the mic input has 5 pinholes instead of 4 on the 7D. The numbers '6' and '9' seems to blend quite well and real as well. Interesting...

Indeed. 7D has only 4 mic holes. 5D Mk III has 5 mic holes but doesnt have flash.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« on: August 10, 2012, 08:28:10 AM »
+1 Ready to go 5D3. But no rush here as well. Chinese page sounds promising... 8) 7D-similarities would match with earlier rumors...

5D Mk III is too expensive for me (I can buy it but cant justify that cost). I guess we will see some info surface soon. My bet is body simmilar to 7D (metring, build, AF) with 22 or 18 mpx sensor.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« on: August 10, 2012, 08:17:30 AM »
What do you think of something like this ? Ive found it on web.

IF it's a fake, I guess it's a very good one  8) Time will tell. But a 2.5k USD cam won't be a plastic body. 18 MP, iso 51k. But according to your gear list...did you "visualize" your dream? LOL...Cheers, Pedro.

I dunno if its fake. Ive just found it on some chinese page and tried to run it through Image Forensics - looks real but, sure, could be fake. And according to this pic, it looks 7D-like.

Yes, I want to upgrade to FF, but I can wait - no rush here  ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« on: August 10, 2012, 07:41:10 AM »
What do you think of something like this ? Ive found it on web.

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Canon General / Re: Announcements in August [CR1]
« on: August 05, 2012, 06:10:55 PM »
I find this a bit unlikely, but it was also mentioned we’ll see a second EOS-M camera announced in the fall, probably not before Photokina though. It would be the “pro” model.  I’m confident one is coming, I’m just not sure it’s coming that soon.

Pro model? Then it better be full frame.

Have you seen EOS M bayonet/mount ? Its just too small to fit FF in.

You would need new (bigger) mount with new lenses for such camera. No way you can directly attach EF lenses to such body without adapter. You need to increase flange distance to DSLR like.

But APS-C sensor is quiet a win compared to other brands. Pro model with bigger body, PASM dial and EVF (could be attachable) could be a good seller. Such body with 22 f/2 pancake and some sort of wide angle lens (something like 11 or 10 mm, for shooting buildings etc) could be a nice travel setup when you dont want to lug around DSLR.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Big Megapixels Coming Soon? [CR1]
« on: August 05, 2012, 04:48:56 PM »
I would rather see a high dynamic range, without the HDR time delay of taking multiple exposures.

However, I think Canon should come out with a medium format camera.

...would you buy new expensive lenses for medium format ?  ;) I think that image circle of current lenses is too small to support medium format.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Big Megapixels Coming Soon? [CR1]
« on: August 05, 2012, 12:42:17 PM »
Given Canon's 18mpx APS-C sensor technology, they can produce a 46mpx FF sensor without having to do too much. At the noise level of the 60D and if one were to downscale the 46mpx image to 36mpx (or 22mpx), I am very sure the noise level will be very comparable to the D800 or better. Shadow noise is a real concern for Canon however. Hopefully they can start putting in an on-chip ADC soon.

Sure, they can, but I think they have a proper reason for not announcing it. Maybe they are dealing with DR or something else ? Maybe they want to bring out fully operational product (with no AF flaws like D800) ?

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Thirdly, DR. Perhaps someone can show me proper photos showing what those 3-4 EV advantage that Sony sensor supposedly boasts as compared to a photo taken with a Canon camera. I would be convinced then. Right now, all I hear is 'scientific' tests with a bunch of numbers. A proper set of photos would convince me what advantage a Sony's sensor has in terms of DR. So far, all I have seen is a bunch of numbers.

I want to see it too. Same location, same setup (lens, aperture, ISO, RAW). Then I can tell if there is so big difference.

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If we look at the AF speed comparison on imaging-resource.com, it is very obvious that the 5D3 focuses almost 2x as fast as the D800 and do not suffer as badly from delays in buffer clearing, etc. That in itself makes the 5D3 a much more usable all-rounded camera.

Yes, 5D Mk III is more all around camera. Aimed mostly on pros, wedding shooters, photojournalist that require fast and precise AF and decent FPS.

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So Canon should make a high mpx camera, by all means. Landscape and studio photographers would love that. It would definitely not affect the target market of 5D3 - People who need an all-rounded camera.

And I agree, there is market for high MPx body. It wont hurt 5D Mk III sales. Like you stated.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Big Megapixels Coming Soon? [CR1]
« on: August 05, 2012, 11:21:54 AM »
If the leaked image of the D600 LCD panel is anything to go by then it will have DPS, 51 point focus,  WiFi support and HDR.

How many of those features will be in the next FF Canon DSLR?

Well, if you check D800 manual (pages 10-12 I think) you will see its exactly the same informational screen as D800. So its rather a good hoax - nothing more. On Nikon rumors it is stated that this comes from some facebook page of Thailand photographer (who has a lot of D800 pics in his albums).

But, its strange that its quiet about both "entry level" FF from Canon and Nikon.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Big Megapixels Coming Soon? [CR1]
« on: August 05, 2012, 11:11:10 AM »
as far as I can remember, complanis about 5D Mk II were mainly in regard of its AF and maybe slow burst rate - nothing about not enough reoslution and dynamic range - so Canon responded to complains upgraded AF to best and gived us 6 fps and all-in-all better all-around camera

That was before the D800 existed.

Now the D800 exists so that is now the yard stick by which every other DSLR of that form factor will be measured when it comes to IQ.

The D800 ushered in a new era of DSLR with its sensor just as the 10D with its price and the 5DMarkII did with HD video.

True, Im not denying that. But D800 was announced on 7th of February and 5D Mk III month later. What Im trying to say is that 5D Mk III development could have ended months before D800 announcement so no possibility to respond.

I think that Canon is aware of DR/high MPx problem and they make sure that their response would be equal/better in terms of DR with even higher MPx count - and they would ask for it more dollars than D800. Sure, new high MPx wont be for new comers - but 5D Mk III is not for enthusiasts too (in terms of price). D600 and 6D (entry level FF) would be for people entering FF world. Then from 6D you can upgrade either to 5D Mk III, high MPx body or 1D-X - depends on needs and profitability of such investment.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Big Megapixels Coming Soon? [CR1]
« on: August 05, 2012, 10:28:26 AM »
EchoLocation,

Canon and Nikon will sell and price their cameras at a point where they can sell. As long as you have reached a point as a photographer where your skill level can overcome the equipment deficiences you should not have any problems with either. Nikon and Canon are the top 2 companies now and even year of two one of them will be in a slight lead. Don't let minor diffrences get in the way of you photography.

You are right. They price it at point that makes sense for them to have such a product.

I like Canon mainly because of control layout and menus etc - its more user friendly and quicker to adjust/learn. I had a chance to shoot with some sort of Nikon (lower end DSLR) and all button placement and menus were so unnutural to me (I was not able to access 2nd curtain sync on flash and via menu). But, it was on location and I havent got chance to study manual. For me - working with Canon DSLRs feels just more fluent.

And...If you know your equip and its limits (how to overcome them) then brand is not important because you can get your desired result with both.

My 2 cents to more DR/more MPx/5D Mk III discussion:
  • as far as I can remember, complanis about 5D Mk II were mainly in regard of its AF and maybe slow burst rate - nothing about not enough reoslution and dynamic range - so Canon responded to complains upgraded AF to best and gived us 6 fps and all-in-all better all-around camera
  • 5D Mk III - seems to me like more 1Ds Mk III replacement in smaller package - higher FPS, +- same MPx etc with video
  • 5D-X or whatever it will be - true studio oriented camera, I think that Canon is developing 45-47 MPx sensor for it, probably 4 fps at most, ISO to 6400 and better DR to addres it as D800 competitor, priced around 4 k
  • pricing of 5D-X - 4k becasue I think that it will be better then D800 (+- same DR), maybe even 4K video - and Canon users will pay for it
  • last thing - no way you get 45-47 MPx from Canon cheaper then 5D Mk III, if price for 5D Mk III falls to 2500 USD then maybe 5D-X would be around 3500 USD

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Canon General / Re: Announcements in August [CR1]
« on: August 02, 2012, 06:20:05 PM »
Damn, where are the 7D/Entry FF cameras? That's what I'm waiting to hear about.

Well, correct me if Im wrong but original post seems to me like: Announcements in August.

Plenty of time till 18.-23. September 2012 (Photokina), I guess. Im wainting for info about FF, very patiently  ::)

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Canon General / Re: Announcements in August [CR1]
« on: August 02, 2012, 03:39:49 PM »

Look forward for new 14-24. The current 16-35L  II is not sharp as Nikon 14-24.

Seeing your gear you would get range 14-200 f/2.8, that sounds really fantastic  ;)

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