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EOS Bodies / Re: A Rundown of Canon at Photokina
« on: September 03, 2014, 02:14:59 PM »
I'm wondering if Canon took a long hard look at the Tokina 150-600 and decided that they had to go back to the drawing board to come up with something competitive.
I would love for that to be the reason for the delay in the 100-400mm update. Despite the Tamron's obvious flaws I would think they've carved quite a little corner in the not-insanely expensive supertelezoom market.
Do I think that is the actual reason? Unfortunately no. I think Canon is just content with the offering they have so far and have yet to feel the pinch/need to respond yet.

Canon's lens development cycles (except for maybe their 18-55 crop kit lenses) are long and carefully planned out.  I'd be stunned if they'd go back to the drawing board on a lens that was pretty far along just based on one competitive offering.

I suppose it might happen if Nikon really hit it out of the park on a pro staple lens like a 24-70 or 70-200, but redirecting / setting new goals on a lens is a massive disruption to many people, materials and dollars that already have momentum in one direction.  I really doubt Canon does this very often unless it's very early in the development effort.

- A

Having 2 bodies for event is huge plus.

All I can think of 2 bodies with 24-70 and 70-200. Maybe 1.4x tc attachs to 70-200 for extra reach when you out door.

Best wishes and be safe
As far as cavelike darkness concerned, bounce the flash off ceiling if not colored, grey is ok, ETTL and  dial flash exposure comp when needed.

Crap -- great call.  This aquarium's walls are dark blue inside if memory serves.  I'll try to get there early and take some shots in each area with a gray card.

- A

EOS Bodies / Re: A Rundown of Canon at Photokina
« on: September 03, 2014, 02:06:45 PM »
Others may think the 7D announcement is underwhelming, but no other manufacturer appears poised to make a big splash. The 7D might actually end up owning Photokina.

Agree 100%.  Folks on this forum are likely not to be pleased unless the sensor is some SkyNet-powered darkness explorer that spits out noise free frames at ISO 12,800, but that isn't going to stop Canon from making a very loud racket about the launch of their new flagship crop body.  Remember the 5D3 launch?  That was a red-carpet over-the-top affair and everyone heard about it.  Expect a similar-level Richter-scale event for the 7D2 regardless of what's under the hood.

So this very well may be the loudest splash at Photokina despite it possibly not wowing everyone.

- A

EOS Bodies / Re: A Rundown of Canon at Photokina
« on: September 03, 2014, 01:57:11 PM »
...the 24-105 has high risk of flex cable breaking after about 2 years,...

I've had mine, and used it like crazy, since it was first released in 2005.  It's never failed to work, and it's always produced solid, reliable results.

And my 24-70 F/4L IS is terrific as well.  Light, compact, nearly as sharp as the 24-70 2.8 II, IS, fast focusing and a decent hand-held macro option as well.  It's a terrific tool.

I generally tweak aperture before I focus, so I haven't noticed any focus-shift.  In Tomri's hands, though, that might be a big deal.

- A

Having 2 bodies for event is huge plus.

All I can think of 2 bodies with 24-70 and 70-200. Maybe 1.4x tc attachs to 70-200 for extra reach when you out door.

Best wishes and be safe


I have an old T1i.  I could leave the 16-35 on the FF rig and put the 24-70 on the T1i for an equivalent 38-112.  But I don't have two flashes (the T1i pop-up is wretched) and the T1i would be 100% relegated to outdoor work.

Knowing all that it, should I bring it or leave it? 

- A


I think you...

Awesome tips.

1) The Sto-Fen bounce has been fine in my limited use of it, but the ceilings are of wildly different heights inside the Aquarium.  So a straight vertical bounce may be a mess to dial-in.  So I may just go with Sto-Fen's suggested 45 degree upward tilt and call it good.  And outdoors in bright light, I may pull it off entirely as I'll need to squeeze all the power out of the flash for HSS use.

2) I've been told that these will be for aquarium promotional use and used by the educational groups that set up this event.  This is not for profit whatsoever, so I'm inclined to just hand the photos over sans paperwork.  There really aren't any evil forces at play here.  I have asked them for specifically how I am to handle concerned parents asking me who I am and where those pictures are going.  That's on the event hosts and if they don't give me a canned statement / printout / card to give parents, this shoot isn't happening.  That's drama I do not need.

- A

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Shooting an event soon -- could use some advice
« on: September 03, 2014, 01:20:52 PM »
Hey gang,

I wasn't sure where to put this, sorry.

I am volunteering at a kids event this weekend and when they heard I was a photographer (full disclosure: natural light enthusiast only), they asked me to bring my rig and shoot the event.  I only have sketchy details, but here's what I know:

  • It will be a mixture of indoor and outdoor shooting.  Outdoors will be violently bright and indoors will be cavelike darkness (it's actually an aquarium).
  • There will be thousands of people there over the course of the event, so it will be some form of organized chaos in a walkaround 'capture what I can' sort of scenario.
  • The event will last 4-6 hours and I need to carry all my gear over that time -- no 100% safe bases of operations are available, and my car will be too far away.

So here's what I was planning on bringing:

  • 5D3
  • 600EX-RT with a Sto-Fen Omni Bounce
  • 16-35 F/4L IS
  • 24-70 F/4L IS
  • 70-200 F/2.8L IS II
  • Filters: CPL for outdoor shooting and UV for indoor shooting and handsy kid fingerprint insurance  :P.  The CPL might also be useful to shoot the exhibits through the glass if need be.
  • I may also bring some rain covers in case they need me to shoot near an open water habitat -- I'm waiting to hear back on that.


1) Did I miss anything obvious?  (Note that I lack any (even basic) off-camera lighting tools like a bracket or ETTL cable.  So I'm hotshoe-ing the 600EX-RT or bust.)

2) I need to be able to carry everything around with me, so I don't want to go too heavy.  The 70-200 is heavy and likely will be overkill given how many people will be packed into this place.  Should I leave it out altogether to save weight, or would you bring it?

3) Should I even bother with a gray card to back out the interior lighting?  I think I'll be moving around to so many different spots that I won't have the time to use it.

Any advice is appreciated.

- A

EOS Bodies / Re: A Rundown of Canon at Photokina
« on: September 03, 2014, 12:22:42 PM »
A bit confused by the 24mm f/2.8 EF-S pancake prime. I use the 24mm f/2.8 IS on my SL1 and it is tiny.

I guess if you're really interested in saving a minute amount of weight & size, a little bit of money, and trade IS for STM it might be worth it. But I can't see it myself.

I've read (and participated) in all the discussions before on this lens. I'm with you. I still don't see it. 24mm EF-S means effective focal length of 38mm -- barely wide angle. It won't perform better than the 24 f2.8 IS and it will be the difference between small and really small.  Seems like the only advantage would be price, but I simply wouldn't want a 38mm equivalent lens even if it were free.

That's just me, though.

EF-M has a 22mm pancake = 35mm FF equiv
EF-S would get a 24mm pancake = 38mm FF equiv
EF has a 40mm pancake = 40mm FF equiv

I see two sides of this:

On the it's going to happen side:  It's not consistent at all, which is nutty, but each mount would now have a roughly 35mm walkaround easy-breezy pancake.

On the it's not going to happen side:  24mm is a FF focal length and not a crop length.  24mm is the standard for 'wide' in FF shooting.  To my knowledge, with the exception of the EF-S 60mm macro, every single EF-S lens is from 10mm-18mm on the wide end until they jump to the tele 55- zooms.  So making a pancake prime just for EF-S doesn't make much sense.  One might think this pancake is actually EF and not EF-S.  Then FF users would have two pancakes for walkaround and crop users would just use the 24 pancake as their choice.

- A

EOS Bodies / Re: A Rundown of Canon at Photokina
« on: September 03, 2014, 12:14:08 PM »
EF 24-105mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM
I'm guessing this means the 24-105L is at the end of the line? Or will they have 3 lenses, this (replacing the 28-135), the 24-105L, and the 24-70f/4L?

That's my thinking.

Although I don't really like that we have to lose the 106-135mm, especially as the only zoom lenses that reach beyond 105mm (besides the 70-xxx series) is the monster 28-300. BTW, a non-L version of that would be nice

Agree.  If that new variable max aperture 24-105 lens is offered, I doubt it will have a red ring. Such a lens should replace the 28-135 as the budget zoom for FF rigs. 

But I find it really surprising that Canon would offer a new "FF only" lens (i.e. a [24mm - anything] lens works fine on crop but folks will feel handcuffed on the wide end) at the launch of the 7D2.  So I put a ton more faith in the 15-85 and 18-135 rumors than the 24-105 rumors.

- A

EOS Bodies / Re: A Rundown of Canon at Photokina
« on: September 03, 2014, 11:28:29 AM »
Size isnt a big difference, but I cant see the pancake costing more than $250, and I'd bet it retails the same as the 40mm pancake.  I could buy both pancakes AND a 50mm f/1,8 and still have money leftover instead of buying the 28mm IS.

And then you'd have three lenses that focus slower than a charging John Cleese.   :D

For me -- and your needs may be different -- I'll take one of the non-L IS refresh lenses (24/28/35) over all three of the lenses you mentioned, principally to get USM focusing speed. 

- A

EOS Bodies / Re: A Rundown of Canon at Photokina
« on: September 03, 2014, 11:19:39 AM »
A bit confused by the 24mm f/2.8 EF-S pancake prime. I use the 24mm f/2.8 IS on my SL1 and it is tiny.

I guess if you're really interested in saving a minute amount of weight & size, a little bit of money, and trade IS for STM it might be worth it. But I can't see it myself.
I can understand your arguments, but ...
thinking about an 24mm f/2.8 EF-S pancake at the price and performance of the 40mm pancake I think the 24mm f/2.8 IS it a totally different league and nothing to compare. your thoughts?
(of course if you already have the 24mm f/2.8 IS the 24mm pancake is not interesting)

This has previously been beaten up at length:

Both lenses are sharp, have the same focal length and have the same max aperture.  Other than, they are quite different.  A pancake is a sharp & small photography tool that is stripped down of many features.  The non-L IS refresh lenses are basically sleeper L lenses minus the weathersealing and the red ring.  One is not better than the other -- it just depends on what you need. 

What's more important is the rumour update that the new pancake may be an EF-S mount.  As a FF user, that's disappointing to hear, but now each of Canon's mounts would have a 35-40mm FF equivalent pancake to call on.

- A


Take this rumor with a grain of salt, but that would make a heck of a splash...

- A

Lenses / Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« on: August 29, 2014, 01:33:12 PM »
24*1.6=38.4 mm. This is very near 40mm, which is a nice standard focal length for a 'standard' prime. Case in point:

Agree, but then why did Canon choose a 22mm pancake for EOS-M?  Anything from 35-50mm FF is fine with me, but Canon is frustratingly inconsistent on this.   :P

- A

Lenses / Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« on: August 29, 2014, 11:14:09 AM »
According to Digicam, it is an EF-S not EF lens

24mm F2.8 is a lens that rumor is flowing well recently, but it seems to be EF-S lens instead of EF apparently. The rumor, it is said that this lens become a pancake, but it is where you want to pay attention how to be degree smaller and lighter.

(via CW)

Good link, thank you!

I must say that 24mm for crop is odd.  24mm is a common FF focal length, but not a common Canon crop focal length.  An EF-S 22mm (like with the EF-M) version would give a 35.2mm focal length that would make more sense. 

But an EF-S offering makes sense as this is the only mount that doesn't have a pancake option right now.  It's a pity it won't be EF, though, as I am a 5D3 shooter and would love a wide pancake option with autofocusing.

- A

This is very helpful.  I'm still using the 17-40 but hope to migrate to the 16-35 f/4 shortly.  I've been in the process of trying to figure out the Lee holder/CPL/UWA conundrum.  Next step:  order the 105 ring and the B&W CPL.  Thanks.
Before you pull the trigger on the 105 CPL, you should consider the wonderpana system:

I haven't used it, but it's basically a Lee-style system with much larger filters so that the vignetting problem is a non-issue for UWA focal lengths.  If you want to stack stuff and have a CPL at 16mm, this is the system you should look into.

That said, I love my Lee setup.  It's well built and has industry standard sizing so I am not married to first party 4x6 filters or CPLs.  And it's flexible and powerful.  I can double my ND grads on harsh sunlight, stack an ND grad with a 10 stop ND, and now with a front ring the CPL is an independent consideration if I need to manage the sky (only for longer FL) or reflections (at any FL).  The only time I need to juggle/think is between 16-20mm, and that's fine by me.

- A

The wonderpana system works well, but it is much more expensive than the more common Lee system. A friend of mine uses this system (Nikon 14mm). He told me that the filters are from great quality.

I have not seen a comprehensive review that states that the quality of the Wonderpana system is better.  But in common sense, it logically should cost more -- it's much larger and therefore requires larger filter elements.

Personally, I would stay with Lee unless you must must must have the ability to stack three things at 14-16mm on FF.  In my limited experience, that doesn't come up that often.  Staying with Lee keeps you in the landscapers-standard 4x4 / 4x6 ecosystem, where there will be many more filter options -- both in design/style and price levels.

- A

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