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... Sella, why don't you give us your "top 5" list of crop lenses that Canon should make because you want them.

I have already ... just search for them on the forum.

Nice dodge.

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You are one of the minority who bought lenses beyond the kit jobbie, including L-primes. This means it is A-OK for Canon to cater to YOUR desires, but not to mine. Again ... huh?

Quick business lesson for you:

Total profit = (profit per unit) * (number of units sold)

At the extreme ends of profitability, we have:

Mass market: (profit per unit) is small, and (number of units sold) is large

Niche:             (profit per unit) is large, and (number of units sold) is small

Key point: The manufacturer gets to decide where in that range is "A-OK" for their business goals and capabilities.


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Yes, those are all excellent lenses ... but...

Since you seem so adept at moving the goalposts, Sella, why don't you give us your "top 5" list of crop lenses that Canon should make because you want them.

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Dude, you worry too much about stuff that's just not worth worrying about.

You pay for those excellent corners, but don't use them on a "crop-frame" camera. Bad economy and a waste of good money ... like driving grandma to church in your Ferrari. It does the job, but at what expense?

You're suggesting that Ferrari needs to make an SUV, minivan, economy car (like a Honda Civic) and a commuter bike with saddle-bags, so I can always use precisely the correct transport for my needs.  Ferrari makes Ferraris; other people make SUVs, minivans, economy cars and bicycles.

it's more like putting racing tires on your honda civic (L glass on a rebel) then complaining that you can't get the speed of a ferrari (1dx with L glass)....

I thought his point was that he wanted L-quality EF-S glass, rather than put FF L-glass on a crop.  But Canon doesn't make that.

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Dude, you worry too much about stuff that's just not worth worrying about.

You pay for those excellent corners, but don't use them on a "crop-frame" camera. Bad economy and a waste of good money ... like driving grandma to church in your Ferrari. It does the job, but at what expense?

You're suggesting that Ferrari needs to make an SUV, minivan, economy car (like a Honda Civic) and a commuter bike with saddle-bags, so I can always use precisely the correct transport for my needs.  Ferrari makes Ferraris; other people make SUVs, minivans, economy cars and bicycles.

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Obviously they are not wasted.
Yes, L-primes are wasted on a "crop-frame" camera, because one of the characteristics of L-primes - and also that which makes them more costly - is the better corner performance. Only on a "crop-frame" sensor these, shall we say, quality corners are discarded/disregarded/wasted.

FP. 

Do you measure your food to 0.1 gram accuracy to make sure all your meals are perfectly in accord with the recipes?

Dude, you worry too much about stuff that's just not worth worrying about.

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I've got another one next to me now doing 4 baby "Watch me grow" shoots with 4 shots printed out per shoot, an album at the end and all of the pics on a CD for £200 (about $335).

Quality of the pics are crap but people are booking her - is our art dead?

It sounds like a good value... I know people resisted grabbing market share, but you have to get people in the door before you can sell to them.

I agree mate, but the quality of the pics is awful - SOC and not even a levels adjust on them.
I actually thought they were taken on a (poor) mobile phone.

That speaks more of the clients than of the photographer.  Those clients were not going to hire you anyway.  Have you considered a "see the difference for yourself" campaign?  That would be side-by-side display of (1) good quality cell phone photo; (2) sooc jpeg using camera default settings; (3) your quality of work.   Anyone who can't see the difference wouldn't have been your client anyhow.

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I've got another one next to me now doing 4 baby "Watch me grow" shoots with 4 shots printed out per shoot, an album at the end and all of the pics on a CD for £200 (about $335).

Quality of the pics are crap but people are booking her - is our art dead?

Have you ever looked at 100-year old baby pictures of your ancestors?  Did it bother you that the quality was crap?  Memory photos need to be just good enough to evoke memories, nothing more.  A low-quality photo with a smiling kid is better than a high-quality photo with a wooden smile or worse.

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Some advanced features are left out, in part, because they generate expensive support calls.  E.g.. AFMA is not useful to many Rebel Users, but would probably generate a lot of self-inflicted focus wounds.

Classifying a "feature" as "advanced" is irrelevant. What matters is whether it is purely firmware-based and excluded. If so, then the camera IS deliberately crippled ... and thus both neuroanatomist and unfocused are wrong. So what do YOU want to be: right or wrong?

I always find your black/white thinking amusing...or something.

You're pulling out your personal definition of "crippled:" to my mind, it's not merely a matter of whether a no-cost feature was removed, but whether that feature would be expected to be used by the vast majority of users of the product.

For example, removing the "Japanese" language features from a product that's being marketed in China, but not in Japan, can't really be considered crippling since one can't reasonably expect that feature to be used.

You should re-examine your logic when you find yourself mincing words to manufacture a "win."

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Kelvin WB is not available on the "entry-level" cameras, yet it is simply a piece of coding that is deliberately disabled/not included.
Some advanced features are left out, in part, because they generate expensive support calls.  E.g.. AFMA is not useful to many Rebel Users, but would probably generate a lot of self-inflicted focus wounds.

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Or the (apparent - I don't own one, just read about it on the forums) throttling of the SD slot in the 5D3 camera. Why is this done, as neither of these examples will turn said camera into a cheap-o 1DX equivalent camera?
If true, this would be a legitimate gripe: a 5D(n) should not be throttled.

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So what you are saying is that (a) Canon is primarily interested in the lucrative "entry-level", one kit lens-only market high volume market and thus per implication that the enthusiast with three or so lenses is unimportant; another market segment to be addressed separately, and that (b) the objective is to get everyone to eventually "upgrade" to FF gear, where the profit margin for Canon is ludicrously high almost as high as Apple's profits on the iPhone.

FTFY

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Are you serious? And are you genuinely OK with this?
Last time I checked, the Universe didn't care whether I'm OK with profit-seeking behavior on the part of a faceless multi-national corporation who sell a product I can live without.


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If I have to prove to you multi-million dollar firms conduct (effective) market research, then I give up.

I study what people/societies/companies/governments do, instead of what they say they do. My observations clearly show that Canon is marking time, because they have either absolutely no idea what the market wants, or they are incapable of providing it. Either way, a failure of effective market research.


How do you know what "the market" wants, that Canon doesn't know what "the market" wants, or that Canon knows but can't or won't comply?  Through your "observations" of what, exactly?

He has a full-length couture mirror.

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Wired Ethernet is dead.
Not hardly, only for mobile devices.  Wired Ethernet will be dead when WiFi can achieve gigabit speeds on congested networks.  But then we'll have 20gigabit wired Ethernet  ;D
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Better to use something modern like a Thunderbolt
Too proprietary, it would alienate PC users.

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If you were a full-time pro, this is a mistake you'd make exactly once.  Then you would develop a fool-proof process to make sure all files transfer.  There are many different ways; the right one depends on how you think and what equipment you have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hoover#Hoover_Nozzle_and_Hoover_Ring

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