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I agree AF and durability of 5DMiii should not be close to that of flagship, but If Nikon can ship proper AF, and good frame rate, so should Canon. D700 Beats it in low ISO as well.

At the end of the day I think it comes down to the same point thats been made many times before, Nikon gave the D700 better autofocus, Canon gave the 5D Mk2 a higher megapixel sensor.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III & The Rest [CR2]
« on: August 26, 2011, 03:38:47 PM »
I understand your opinion about how the 7d relates to the xxd cameras and xxxd camera... Well the 60D and t3i carry the same sensor, but are not superior sensors to the 7d... the 60D has some goodies that trickled down from the 7d and new innovations such as the much debated swivel screen... The 7d still holds it's own even after nikon upgraded the d300 to the d300s to compete with video, but the 7d has still been dubbed by many people as the d300s killer.  The sony is an interesting camera but until production samples come out to really do a side by side comparison in quality and function, it's a bit too early to tell who comes out on top.  The 7d compared to the newest 60d and xxd would be like the top of the line mustang whereas the 60d would be the regular mustang with the same engine but less bells and whistles and maybe the t3i would be the same car with manual roll down windows and steel wheels.... It's debatable whether people in the industry consider the 7d as "pro" or not, but canon has made a point to all but say that this is in the same category as the 5d... 5d being a baby 1ds and 7d being a baby 1d.

Theres a difference between the xxD and xxxD models featuring the 7D's sensor awhile after release and those lines featuring a sensor thats superior to the the 7D's, or at least with superior looking specs.

Would releasing the 7D mk2 say 28 months rather than 36 months after the original really make that much difference? The 1D/1Ds lines sticking to a 3 year or longer cycle makes sense given the investment involved on both sides but is the same true for the 7D and 5D? I suspect that the reason the 5D mk2 hasnt been updated sooner is that its linked to the 1D/1Ds.

If Canon sticks to updating the xxD and xxxD every year or so then I'd say a shorter 7D cycle might make sense. Having the pro model outspected doesnt seem a good idea as does having the lower end models only add bells and whistles for 2 cycles while the competision surpasses them.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 1Ds Mark IV & 5D Mark II Merry-Go-Round
« on: August 26, 2011, 07:44:10 AM »
Lenses:  "Massively popular" - could this be a new 50mm f/1.4? :P  (But as I've said before, Canon wants me to buy the f/1.2L, so...) - I agree with afira though, a zoom is much, much more likely.  I immediately thought of the 50mm for some reason.

They could take the view that a 50 1.4 as a kit lens alternative to the zooms with the 5D mark 3 would be a good way of keeping the price down I spose. The Mk2 + 24-105 has been selling well to amatures at a lower price point and a 50 1.4  Mk3 kit might keep it at near to the same price point.

The 24-70 update does seem by far the most likely though I agree.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III & The Rest [CR2]
« on: August 26, 2011, 05:30:22 AM »
I don't think we can really say for sure whether the 7D is "due" for a refresh or not given that its never happened before, my feeling is that its not going to have as long a product cycle as the full frame models.

Unless theres really nothing they can do about it I'd be supprized to see Canon let Sony and potentially Nikon steal a march on them with megapixels which have afterall been a large part of there marketing for crop DSLR's.

I dont think it has anything to do with full frame cycle or not, it's regarding what canon thinks is "pro" "semi pro" and consumer... Canon, at least in passive literature has stated they feel the 7D is a pro level camera, such as the 5d series and 1d series... That may be debatable to us photographers and "pro" photographers, but that is canon's line in the sand.  (CPS membership for platinum(the highest level) requires 2 7d's or higher).  The xxd series has infamously been known as the prosumer or semi pro cameras even though the 60d has made many scratch their heads in this categories...  The rebels or consumers in the eyes of canon. 

I cant see canon releasing an update to the 7d until next fall... (3 year cycle)

The main issue I see is how the 7D relates to the xxxD and xxD lines, those models look like there going to need sensor upgrades of some kind in order to stay competitive with the next round of Sony/Nikon DSLR's. To have the lower end lines carrying a superior sensor to the 7D doesnt seem to make alot of sense marketing wise.

As far as the 5D mk3 goes my own feeling is that Canon will stick to the formula they used for the mk2, stick the high end sensor in a smaller body with more limated autofocus. It might be unpopular with some people but the impression I get is that the mk2 has been more sucessful than the D700 so it does seem like resolution over autofocus is what people want.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III & The Rest [CR2]
« on: August 25, 2011, 05:11:53 AM »
I don't think we can really say for sure whether the 7D is "due" for a refresh or not given that its never happened before, my feeling is that its not going to have as long a product cycle as the full frame models.

Unless theres really nothing they can do about it I'd be supprized to see Canon let Sony and potentially Nikon steal a march on them with megapixels which have afterall been a large part of there marketing for crop DSLR's.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III & The Rest [CR2]
« on: August 24, 2011, 03:56:42 PM »
Personally I think we'll see a new 7D mk2 much sooner than most people believe aswell.

Who knows? the new rebel t4i? 650D will be announced next February like every year
if they do not have a new sensor to put in this camera (probably trickling down from a possible 7DII) they would have to use the 18mpx CMOS from the 7D a 5th time! (7D, 60D, 550D, 600D and 650D) or develop a new sensor for a rebel line (unlikely?)

Given that the rumours of Sony going to 25 megapixels have been around for awhile I'd be supprized if Canon stuck with the old 7D sensor for the next round of crop releases.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III & The Rest [CR2]
« on: August 24, 2011, 10:01:02 AM »
What? Has Canon abandon their pro shooters? A 5D would not survive 2 months in the condition I shoot and my 1DII is getting very old. Yes I could get a IV but this time I'm hoping for a FF 1D or 1Ds.

It doesn't make sens that Canon announce a 5DIII before a new 1Ds...

What a bummer. I hope this is not how they will play it.

I wouldnt be supprized if Canon's annoucements are much more bunched up this product cycle than they have been previously due to events in Japan. Idealy there going to want to leave a bit of a gap between them but if its a choice between that and getting pro's supplied before next summer I think they'll go with the latter.

Personally I think we'll see a new 7D mk2 much sooner than most people believe aswell.

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Lenses / Re: Why not EF-s "L" lenses?
« on: August 05, 2011, 05:09:19 PM »
Its probabley a fools dream but the EF-S prime I'd most like to see it an affordable wideangle TSE lens, something like 15mm. Obviously it would never be cheap but it does seem to me that Canon could potentially save alot on the production cost since the large amounts of glass probabley make up alot of what they charge for the FF ones.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Even Nikon has announced its FF successors.
« on: August 04, 2011, 08:24:23 AM »
Nikon has already announced its successors of its D700 and D3s, and they will be releasing it on the 24th August.

That's probably what Canon has been waiting for!  Wait for your competitor to announce their new product, so that you can trump them days/weeks later.  ;)
One can only hope the trumping is nowhere near à la adding additional numerical ISO figure without checking if it is going to be useful and up to one's standards.

There has been talk of Canon testing multiple different versions of the 5D mk 3 though so perhaps there waiting to see what Nikon go with before picking one?

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Lenses / Re: Why not EF-s "L" lenses?
« on: August 04, 2011, 07:18:02 AM »
Forget about Sigma.  Nikkor 35/1.8 DX with AF-S autofocus is the competition that Canon will answer to.  The Nikkor is a really nice lens.  Hopefully Canon will match it, and hopefully they'll do it sooner rather than later.

Yeah thats the kind of 30-35mm EF-S lens I see Canon being most likely to come out with. The fact is that most of the market for primes on crops is as a specalist lens for users who mainly depend on zooms and that makes a lower price point much more attractive.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D mrk. II
« on: August 03, 2011, 01:29:27 PM »
With reguards to the 7d mk 2's potential shooting speed one one thing to consider is that the ID may well be FF by the time it comes out so less of a direct competision.

Personally I wouldnt be shocked to see a 7D mk2 released next spring if only to allow it to preview the new processor on crop along with any improvements to the sensor. If the 650D and 70D(if the xxD line carrys on) preview the sensor first its surely going to impact 7D sales heavly.

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Lenses / Re: Why not EF-s "L" lenses?
« on: August 02, 2011, 06:28:45 AM »
I agree, it would be nice to have EF-S lenses that better match the 7D in sealing and build quality. What they are called is of no concern to me. In particular on the wide end, there is no sealed lens that takes advantage of the EF-S more compact format. An EF-S 10-22/3.5-4.5 with the build quality/sealing of the EF 17-40/4.0L would be welcome. Both lenses are currently at about the same price. Higher up on my wish list, however, are fast, wide, and compact EF-S primes.

I'm a bit supprized they didnt include some sealing with the 15-85 as that afterall launched with the 7D.

The 10-22 is getting on in age a bit by modern zoom standards but I don't see Canon updating anytime soon personally, its not been surpassed optically and still looks to be selling very well.

A 30mm 1.8 prime seems like the most realistic EF-S release to me, Sigma have afterall already got something on the market but I think Canon would look to beat them for price rather than quality with something around $200-300.

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EOS Bodies / Re: No Finalized 5D Mark III Yet [CR2]
« on: July 31, 2011, 09:06:58 AM »
1. Split the 5D line into a still camera and an advanced video feature camera.

On my opinion, the advantage of video in DSLR is the ability to use the FF DSLR technology to add video as a 'free' bonus. Creating a 5D version with video as a priority sounds odd. Why 5D ? Why not a specialised video camera with FF sensor and EF lens compatibility ? I think the rumor is false and that it is just a guess, not from a real informed person.

2. A camera between the 5D Mark III and 1D

This makes much more sense, resolution / speed priority

They could I spose both be the same thing, a bare bones 5D mk3 that lacks video and keep the old 9 point AF then a new model between the 5D and ID that includes video and a 7D standard AF system.

Perhaps they feel that the 5D mk2's sucess is partly down to its recently relatively low price point and they want to offer something new at the same kind of level while still making some profit and not effecting sales of the more expensive models?

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Canon General / Re: Canon Mirrorless Related Patent?
« on: July 29, 2011, 10:09:48 AM »
With a fixed focal length lens they become very akin to a pocketable Rangefinder.

If comsumer awareness of the advantages of a large sensor increases I'm wondering if fix focal lenght might not become rather more acceptable?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Will Canon Withdraw from the Megapixel War?
« on: July 18, 2011, 08:27:26 PM »
I hope we are not starting the same debate about Leica VS Hasselblad in the film days again.
MF in digital will give better picture, especially in large enlargement due to the larger size of individual pixel and hence lowe rnoise, better dynamic range. however, the size weight and cost will make moat people, including proffessionals think twice before jumping into it. just look at the price of the lens and digital body of Hasselblad.
On the other hand FF will give you much better mobility and cost saving. So MF is for amature with super deep pocket and with assistant.

I'm not really debating the merits of each system so much as speculating the impact a growth in digital MF might have on FF.  A high end Hasselblad is obviously something totally different but the 645D is getting into the same kind of ballpark as a 1Ds so on some level its competision.

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