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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D X or Mark III Specs & Release Date? [CR1]
« on: February 07, 2012, 12:59:34 AM »
Possible Martin. Though, if that is the reason...why wouldn't Canon make all their L-series glass white? :) Canon just announced their new version of the 24-70 f/2.8 (II) and it's.........black!

Supposedly, it's to reflect more light and reduce the internal temperature.  The reason it's used on the tele lenses is that the fluorite elements in those lenses are more sensitive to heat. Or so Canon has said...it could still just be a marketing ploy...

A bit of both I'd guess, probabley some small advanatge and now that Canon has "claimed" the white tele if Nikon were to use it they'd merely be confused as one by most people.

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« on: February 06, 2012, 04:01:17 PM »
Proof the image is fake:

The lens is set at 24mm and is fully retracted. Canon lenses extend when they get wider, and retract when zoomed.

I don't see why thats "proof", the previous Canon lens retracted at 70mm but other similar designs from Sigma and Tamron havent.

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« on: February 06, 2012, 11:52:19 AM »
Something about this lens is odd... It just doesn't look right for some reason. I can't exactly put my finger on it but something seems off.

Maybe it's the lack of writing around the red ring. Or, does it look too small to anyone else? (despite the 82mm filter threads (which is also really odd))

I thought something looked wrong too.  The font used for the labeling (24-70 Ultrasonic) is the same as a traditional EF lens, rather than L lenses.  Also missing is the red lettering indicating mm near the focus/distance window.

If you hold your hand over the red ring, this lens looks more like a standard EF than an L.

Compair it to the 100mm L macro released recently rather than L lenses from several years ago and it looks very similar in design to me.


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Lenses / Re: Three New Lenses~~~
« on: February 06, 2012, 08:00:02 AM »
If they could reduce the weight at the same time, I would be very, very happy, but I guess that is too much to ask.

Its hard to say for sure but as I said the impression I get is that its shorter than the Mk1, given that Nikon reduced the size of there 28-70 2.8 while still adding 4mm to the wide end I'd guess there may well be room for a size reduction.

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Lenses / Re: Three New Lenses~~~
« on: February 06, 2012, 06:37:56 AM »
Little strange that the 24-70 seems to have a 82mm filter ring  :o

I wouldnt say that strange, the 16-35 2.8 went up from 77mm to 82mm in the mk2 didnt it? might be due to the wider front element but that pic looks a little shorter to me, looks like the lens is retracted at 24mm rather than 70mm aswell.

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Lenses / Re: Three New Lenses~~~
« on: February 06, 2012, 05:58:03 AM »
It's very strange that 28mm and 24mm wide angel prime lenses have IS, any idea??

I wouldnt say that strange, on FF those are focal lenghts where many people are going to be stopping down for landscapes plus there both good potential general purpose lenses for a crop.

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My guess would be that if we see anymore Canon maybe viewing the "X brand" as a way of focusing attension away from pure resolution. ISO performance and pixel quality are afterall the main selling points of the 1DX and the G1X over previous models and if rumours are correct the new 5D may have that advanatge over the D800, even the new 7D has often been rumoured to be sticking to 18 megapixels.

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To some extent I'd guess Canon focus more on these areas simpley because their the areas FF DSLR's are most well suited for hence they are the larger market. Ultimately MF will always provide the better studio/landscape IQ while Leica will provide the best compact prime lenses.

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Lenses / Re: Revolutionizing the kit zoom
« on: February 04, 2012, 02:45:57 AM »
It seems more likely to me that if Canon went with a range of "fast X2 zooms" the target marfket would be more similar to the higher end EF-S lenses.

That 55-110 f/2 patent we saw recently is the first thing that springs to mind, seems likely that might be for a potential EF-S lens so perhaps it could be added to with a say 25-55 f/2 zoom aswell? would be a good way of potentially countering crop sensors disadvanatges in DOF and low light shooting in a similar way to those Oly f/2 zooms tried to.

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EOS Bodies / Re: (1) EOS Boday + (3) New Lenses = New System?
« on: February 03, 2012, 06:12:08 AM »
I could well see Canon looking to launch the 5D mk3/X with new versions of the 24-70, 35L and another quality lens(maybe a new UWA zoom? 17-40 mk2? 14-24?) to try and steal more of Nikon's thunder.

That said I'v thought for awhile that some form of medium format mirrorless might be worth them exploring. The benefits just seem more obvious than ASPC or FF to me, greater size savings both on the body and the lenses which will tend to be more in the wide/normal range that benefit from the reduced flange distance and less of a disadvanatge in AF performance since MF has never offered high performance there. I'd guess the potential for cost saving would be higher aswell given that your getting rid of a much larger OVF/Mirror.


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EOS Bodies / Re: Can someone debunk this Peter Lik picture... PLEASE!!!
« on: February 02, 2012, 02:32:10 AM »
Can't say I care too much whether its "real" or not but I do care that its garish rubbish. ;)
But hes sold 200 million in limited edition prints and is a master of photography!   and has memberships to all the exclusive clubs ::)

But on a more serious note i do feel like saying "put down the mouse and step away from the saturation slider!" with a loud horn

As a wise man once said "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public"

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EOS Bodies / Re: Can someone debunk this Peter Lik picture... PLEASE!!!
« on: February 01, 2012, 05:16:11 AM »
Can't say I care too much whether its "real" or not but I do care that its garish rubbish. ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mk2 ..... APS-H
« on: January 31, 2012, 02:52:03 PM »
For a mirrorless system with APS-H sensor not to use EF lens would be a total folly on Canon's behalf. With the EF-S mount there are only a few good lens (3 or 4?) whereas to have to redesign all the good EF lens for a new mount does not make commercial sense

Using EF-S lenses would surely mean that Canon would be unable to reduce the flange distance and thus unable to save much space on a mirrorless body as there rivals have.

Seems most likely to me that they'd create a small new system of general purpose mirrorless lenses along with an EF adaptor to allow for more speicalist lenses to be used with AF intact. Not being able to use EF-S lenses doesnt seem like much of a problem to me since there arent really any speicalist lenses in the lineup besides arguebley the 60mm macro which has many EF alternatives anyway.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mk2 ..... APS-H
« on: January 30, 2012, 12:34:51 PM »

This seems like the most likely way ASPH could be used to me, it would give a Canon mirrorless a boost in IQ/DOF over its ASPC rivals and seperate it from the G1X without pushing the price too high. The main probablem with ASPH on SLR's would also be gotten round(no lenses with focal lenghts/image circles aimed specifically towards it) since any mirrorless system would have a new range of lenses created for it.

Does it matter that EF lens are slightly too big?? I dont see that as a problen - anymore than using L lens on APS-C

Make TSE lens work better is the plus side.

I like the idea of a mirrorless APS-H - it will be fun to see it outperform a 'proper' camera

If you mean that there bigger than they need to be for ASPH on the 1D no I wouldnt say it matters but he obviously would on a mirrorless system. Whatever form a Canon mirrorless system takes I'd guess its likely to have a range of new lenses optimized for it and the potential to adapt EF lenses.

One advanatge I see with Canon holding off on an EVIL is that if/when they do deside to release one they'll be able to trump there rivals for sensor size.
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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mk2 ..... APS-H
« on: January 30, 2012, 05:36:22 AM »
I just cannot comprehend any of this. Why do you want APS-H again? >_>

And if a new 7D-esque body gets APS-H, it will NOT be called 7D MKII ... It will have a different series name.

Indeed I'm not really seeing why people think Canon are likely to radically change the position of the existing 7D and xxD lines in the market rather than introduce a new line.

You look at their previous DSLR history and it seems much more likely that a new higher end line will be introduced which makes marketing sense. Why market the previously enthusiast xxD brand as a semi pro camera to reaplace the 7D? why market the semi pro 7D brand to replace the pro 1D brand?

I think you are right - the 70D will be as good as the 7D today - so what happens to the 7D? Perhaps they will drop it and make a 3d/6d semi pro sports range with a larger sensor with 18-24mps and top iso performance and 8fps.

Sensors are one area where size does count. There is a finite (financial) limit to how much you can use technology to squeeze out of a fixed size sensor, When it costs more to produce a little one instead of a better, lower tech, big one then the big one will win. PCs give us the clue - the processing power from a single processor has barely increased in the last 5 years - so they have switched to multi cores to provide the extra processing power. The NEX7 may have more mps but the IQ and iso performance is not significantly better.

The argument that higher density APS-C sensors gives better IQ is not born out in practice - look to the 1DX, 5D (and dare I say it - 12mp ff Nikons) are examples where low density sensors give significantly better IQ than  high density APS-C - and probably still do today.

As I said I think its more likely that they'd keep the 7D line and drop the xxD line while introducing a new ASPH line(3D?). The 7D right now is a much stronger brand than the 70D would be so I'd say it would make sense to keep it around even if its downgraded a little(or more likely stays still).

Quote from: jimmy156
Now there is a thought! If mirrorless CSC cameras take over the bottem end SLR market with M4/3 and APS-C sensors, as some seem to think they might, it would be an exciting (if very bold) move.

This seems like the most likely way ASPH could be used to me, it would give a Canon mirrorless a boost in IQ/DOF over its ASPC rivals and seperate it from the G1X without pushing the price too high. The main probablem with ASPH on SLR's would also be gotten round(no lenses with focal lenghts/image circles aimed specifically towards it) since any mirrorless system would have a new range of lenses created for it.

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