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Seems unlikely the G2 version will be optically the same as G1. Look at what Tamron did with the 150-600mm in going to the G2 version; optics were improved.
What's the 5 axis image stabilisation about? Is that IS built into the sensor? Or is it some funky electronic sensor pixel algorithms that simulate IS?

When shooting video, you have a cropped image from the middle of the sensor. If the camera jitters while you are shooting, the scene that you wish to capture moves around on the sensor, this version of IS allows the recorded image to shift to the pixels that the image has moved to. It is kind of like shooting in 2.7K and using Premiere to run it's IS function, and the cropping the final output to 2K, but in this case it is all in camera.....
I think Canon has designed this camera to kill the second hand 5D3 market. anyone in the market for a used 5d3 would probably look at this camera and think its only a few hundred $ £ € more for new vs used, warranty vs none. I will strongly consider changing my back-up 5D3 for this camera. new sensor performance, lower light focusing, possibly better high ISO handling. 
What's the 5 axis image stabilisation about? Is that IS built into the sensor? Or is it some funky electronic sensor pixel algorithms that simulate IS?

Two axes are lens IS, the other three are sensor-based.  It's only for video, because video capture doesn't use the full area of the sensor. 
5D4 will have the following things that the 6D2 will not:

  • Definitely:  +4 more MP (if the rumor is true)
  • Definitely:  4K video recording (if the rumor is true)
  • Definitely:  Much more solid build quality
  • Definitely:  Dual card slots (if the rumor is true)
  • Definitely:  More capable AF system in general (the 6D2 may get some small wrinkle that is nicer than the 5D4 on AF, but in general the 5D4 will be a step above)
  • Likely:  higher cycle count shutter durability
  • Likely:  higher fps (very low chance the 6D2 gets 7 fps)
  • Likely:  AF joystick (6D2 might not get this)
  • Likely:  Chunkier grip that better fits your hand
  • Maybe:  1/8000 shutter
  • Maybe:  1/200 flash sync speed
  • Maybe:  AF point selection via touchscreen
  • Maybe:  DPRAW
  • Maybe:  Great quality back thumb wheel (maybe the 6D2 gets the nice 5D-level one this go-round?)

I see the decision as being how badly you need certain professional niceties [professional build tool, 4K, dual slots, very high quality AF system] vs. saving some money and getting a tilty-flippy screen.  The sensor quality / sensor resolution / fps differences will be really small.  So one could argue the 6D2 is a more affordable 5D4 with a tilty-flippy screen.

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Helpful summary based on what is known so far.  Thanks!
I find myself wondering how the 6DII will stack up against the 80D.  Are they substantially the same camera except for sensor size?  As far as sensor size is concerned:  At what print size will the difference between the sensors become noticable at normal viewing distances at lowish ISO's?  At what ISO will differences in the performance of the two sensors become noticable (in 12x18 prints, for example). 

It appears the control layout and ergonomics is basically 100% identical to the 80D which is not surprising - except for the dedicated playback zoom button (inherited from the 6D)! There is no M.fn button; the button next to the shutter is the AF mode selection button like in the 70D and the 80D, most likely not programmable.
You miss the point here my friend...why drive a Ferrari when you can really unload your wallet to drive a BUGATTI!

Does the Bugatti also lack a staple expecation of most users?  Say, a steering wheel?   :P

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Lack of AF in Zeiss ZE lenses is probably "licensing issue" to quote Zeiss representative in an interview I once read.

But I have to wonder, to whom this lens should appeal. Heavier, more expensive and MF only lens with practically identical performance. For clickless aperture you'd still need ZF.2 mount with aperture ring. ZE mount is fully electronic anyways. Maybe I'm just tired and missing some obvious point, maybe...

Bah.  Sigma, Tamron, etc don't have licensing problems. They have AF. Zeiss doesn't have it because they know they can't make it work up to the standards of their glass.  So Maybe Sigma can simultaneously stop all criticism of its AF and quadruple its prices by simply removing AF altogether?

Zeiss can do AF lenses as well. Batis and Touit lineup. It boggles me as well, why they won't offer AF lenses for DSLR...
Estimated price should be 1999 USD/1999 EUR.

Generally, the converson is not done that way. I would say (unfortunately as I'm from France), it will be closer to 2200€...  :-\

It also depends on the exchange rate at the time Canon purchased their exchange hedges (which might be quite different from the exchange rate at the time of price comparison).  I believe EU member countries also have a mandatory "fit for sale" warranty period of a few years, which is longer than that for the US, and Canon has to price that in as well.

There are, in general, political and economic reasons that things cost more in Europe.  At this point, it should surprise no one.  It can be lamented, but it's not for nothing, and no one should be expecting to punch the USD price into a currency converter and see the EUR price.

US prices are taxless and with 1yr warranty. EU prices have to factor in VAT and 2yr warranty. Still, the difference is quite significant and unpleasant to european customers for obvious reasons. If you live in middle or eastern european country, 2199 € price tag is about twice or thrice the amount of average monthly salary.
What I was trying to say, was that the emotional baggage of certain words can set the tone of the conversation.

Thank you for explaining my frustration with that term more succinctly and politely than I was able to.
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