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How many times did you return (L) lenses to get a good copy?
« on: January 10, 2013, 05:37:41 PM »
I just bought a new 17-40L, and I'm happy that I didn't get it from ebay (the offers weren't good enough vs the current Canon rebate program) because the lens shows visible decentering - see attached 100% crops of bottom vs. top, my first thought was that the chart was tilted... but it wasn't me or the camera and now I'm going to get a replacement from Amazon.

I wonder how many times your lenses were exchanged (or how many copies you tested side by side) until you received a lens that was a good copy?

Looking at the crops, would you also have returned the lens, or is something like this to be expected and I'm spoiled by better lenses?


Btw, if anyone wonders: As far as I tested it the 17-40L is a good (landscape) zoom lens for the money even on crop, it's just the corners and that it doesn't reach max. sharpness wide open but needs to be stopped down a little to f5.6+

Edit: afma should be no issue @f4+ and my 60d doesn't have it anyway ... with this 17-40L copy I couldn't tell lv from phase af. The crops are of course focused with contrast af and shot on tripod with mirror lockup.
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How many times did you return (L) lenses to get a good copy?
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Re: How many times did you return lenses to get a good copy?
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2013, 05:50:17 PM »
Sigma 50/1.4, once. The first copy front focused so much that even thumbnails of the images appeared badly OOF. My second copy nails the focus.
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Re: How many times did you return (L) lenses to get a good copy?
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2013, 06:12:42 PM »
10 L-series lenses bought new (and thus, able to be exchanged), all of them good copies (at least, based on resolution testing with an ISO 12233-type chart, etc.).  Next lens will likely be the 24-70/2.8 II, hope my streak holds...
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Re: How many times did you return (L) lenses to get a good copy?
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2013, 06:20:22 PM »
I've never returned any of my lenses for a new copy. I rarely even test them to the degree that many seem to. I take a bunch of test shots before buying, but that's pretty much it.  I have the first versions of the 24-70 2.8, 70-200 2.8, and have owned at one point several other L lenses,  and honestly, I know I didn't have a "bad" copy, but I couldn't tell you if it was good, or just average or whatever.  I've never noticed a problem and either has anyone else. Maybe I'm lucky, idk.
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2013, 07:30:38 PM »
10 L-series lenses, all of them good copies (at least, based on resolution testing with an ISO 12233-type chart, etc.).  Next lens will likely be the 24-70/2.8 II, hope my streak holds...


I'd suggest a trip to the casin0 but I suspect the odds of getting 10 good L lenses are more favorable than most card games.

I have 4 L lenses and as I can tell they are all good.  Never shot a test chart though... perhaps I should.

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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2013, 07:31:48 PM »
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Re: How many times did you return (L) lenses to get a good copy?
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2013, 07:41:12 PM »
I own eleven Canon lenses at the present.  I've owned sixteen in total - some having gone to friends.

Gotta say, I've never had a bad one.  I have had ONE lens - a 50/1.4 that had some issues which Canon cheerfully took care of in their usual expedient manner (about two weeks as I recall).

I have a  7D that was a real hoot for focus... it simply would not focus... but Canon also fixed it up, and while some lenses still need AFMA on that body, as they do on other bodies for absolute best performance, it has become my focusing favorite now that Canon has massaged it a bit.

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Re: How many times did you return (L) lenses to get a good copy?
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2013, 07:41:12 PM »

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Re: How many times did you return (L) lenses to get a good copy?
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2013, 07:49:28 PM »
I had to return a 16-35 that was absolutely unacceptable in the left and right lateral 1/4-1/5 field of view at f8 and beyond.  Second copy was much much better.  Didn't even need a test chart for that one ;D  I have owned/own 5 different L lenses so I feel I have had a very good experience.
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Re: How many times did you return (L) lenses to get a good copy?
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2013, 08:12:31 PM »
I have 5 L lenses and never had any "real" issues with them to justify a return, even after thousands of shots. I did AFMA tests on all of them and none really had any need for any adjustment with my 5D2 and 5D3 bodies.

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Re: How many times did you return (L) lenses to get a good copy?
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2013, 08:33:38 PM »
Tried 3 copies of the 100-400L and ended up returning the last one in favor of the 70-200  2.8l is II and 2xiii extender.  At 400mm the 100-400 was soft enough wide open that it interfered with AF lock.  It also focused slower than the latter with the extender.

I didn't see the point of suffering.  I don't believe they were all bad copies but rather a design "flaw"

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Re: How many times did you return (L) lenses to get a good copy?
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2013, 08:55:38 PM »
Got 4 so far, and all are just fine. I don't order but buy from what I would call a pro shop. The guys there let me try and test with 100% view on comp. I prefer to pay some premium for those premium lenses rather than to take the risk to have a copy that doesn't satisfy me. My next is 16-35 and then 24-70/II and I will sure take the time to check those babies fine. Heck, when we get our plastic to overheat so much, we want to ensure the best, don't we?

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Re: How many times did you return (L) lenses to get a good copy?
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2013, 08:58:37 PM »
Tried 3 copies of the 100-400L and ended up returning the last one in favor of the 70-200  2.8l is II and 2xiii extender.  At 400mm the 100-400 was soft enough wide open that it interfered with AF lock.  It also focused slower than the latter with the extender.

I didn't see the point of suffering.  I don't believe they were all bad copies but rather a design "flaw"

Interesting. My 100-400 at 400mm is slightly sharper than my 70-200 II + 2xII or 2xIII, which is consistent with the TDP data (ISO 12233 crops).  I find focus speed in simple situations (bird on an isolated branch or flying with open sky behind) to be faster with the 100-400 at 400mm, but in complex situations (small bird in a thicket, for example) the 100-400 has trouble locking whereas the 70-200 II + 2x does not.
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Re: How many times did you return (L) lenses to get a good copy?
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2013, 09:00:30 PM »
First copy of my 24-105 had an air bubble in the outer element.  Replacement copy was just fine. 

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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2013, 09:08:27 PM »

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All my lenses are the real things. I'm not putting out that kind of money for copies!
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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2013, 09:41:29 PM »

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All my lenses are the real things. I'm not putting out that kind of money for copies!
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