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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #90 on: January 27, 2013, 01:53:12 PM »
I don't have a 7D. But what I've heard and read from those who have both it and a 5DIII, even using the same lenses for little birdies when they're distance-limited with both bodies, the 5DIII still beats the 7D. I've heard from more than one person who had both with the intention of using them for different stuff...and who ditched the 7D (either altogether or to pay for another 5DIII).

Even though the cropped image from the 5DIII doesn't have as many megapickles as the still cropped image from the 7D, the image quality is at least comparable, with the nod perhaps going to the 5DIII. But, more importantly, even though the frame rate is lower for the 5DIII, the autofocus system is so much better that you get a higher percentage of keepers.

I've had both. Not even close to reality. I had to sell my 7D to help fund the 5D3 but I do still miss the extra reach I got. I compared them side by side both under strict lab conditions and shooting birds in the field and the 7D absolutely put more detail on birds when using the same lens on both cams.

And for shooting birds sitting in trees among branches and so on that, along with surfing, was the one place where I didn't find the 5D3 did any better (for most other things the 5D3 AF does seem to do a lot better though).




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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #90 on: January 27, 2013, 01:53:12 PM »

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« Reply #91 on: January 27, 2013, 01:54:47 PM »
I had an interresting talk with five Japanese tourists at the winners ceremony.
They had professional Nikon and Canon cameras and told me that Nikon will release a top Crop Camera in spring this year and update their Nikon 100-400 pedant (80-400 or so).

The Canon 7D2 will be priced much higher than an D300 successor, near the 5D3 .
The Camera will be an class for its own. A small 1Dx. Fast AF and high fps. A special product for all persons that will need high speed and do not have the money for an 1Dx.
The Canon successor of the 100-400 will be at 270.000-300000 Yen.

One of them said, that in Japanese photography chatrooms many think, that  Canon should buy some of the parts at thrid party companies. Today the Sony chip is much better than Canons.
And if Canon will not change their strategy, they will be soon in financial problems

Interesting. I mean there is no way those people likely have any inside information whatsoever. That said, those comments sound fairly reasonable all the same.

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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #92 on: January 27, 2013, 01:57:17 PM »
In another forum they suppose >2500$ for the MK 2.  :(   I hope they will be wrong with this rumor

I have a hard time believing that. The 7D was $1,700 when introduced. History of the XXD series was that the new models come out near the introductory price of the previous model. At $2,500, that would be too close to what the 5DIII will be at the same time. I can't imagine what whiz-bang features would prompt me to buy a crop camera that is roughly the same price as a 5DIII. If Canon wants to squeeze money out of a top-of-the-line APS-C camera, my uneducated guess is that it would come in slightly under $2k. I would put the Vegas over/under at $1,899.

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I don't see how many people people will be queuing up for the 7DII if it were even close to the 5D3.

It will, I believe, be for less than the 6D.

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the 70D will be for those people and the 7D2 will be the one that crazy delivers but you pay for it a bit more

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« Reply #93 on: January 27, 2013, 01:59:46 PM »
It will, I believe, be for less than the 6D.

Not necessarily, at least not the starting price. Canon's strategy is to use a ridiculously high release price, then wait until all early adopters suckers paid up, then lower the price, wait some again and repeat until the camera body is phased out. And there will be early 7d2 adopters because of the crop factor, €1000 more or less doesn't exactly matter for many people who are able to afford Canon tele primes.

I guess they can also afford the 1DX and wouldn't care about the latest crop cam

$2500ish and $5500ish are still rather different sums of money!

1DX has a LOT less reach than the 7D

1DX is a giant brick

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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #94 on: January 27, 2013, 02:01:33 PM »
What would be the improvement in a new 50 f/1.4 have over the old one?

Build quality, plain and simple. Actually, all they'd have to do is make that inside barrel out of something a little more solid than plastic, and the problem would be solved.

part of the problem is likely the AF design itself too though, it was the first clutched non-ring USM lens.... and also the last.

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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #95 on: January 27, 2013, 02:07:33 PM »

"There will be 3 DSLRs launched in 2013, two of them will be “entry level” and one will be “mid level”. The two entry level cameras will probably be a new Rebel and a 70D.

The midlevel camera is probably the EOS 7D Mark II. This camera will get its own launch festivities sometime in the second half of 2013 we’re told.

...4 new EF lenses will be launched in 2013, there was no mention of exactly which lenses it would be"

==>  This may be  reliable source; even so, what has he/she really told us?  Specifically?  ...not much.    ???

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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #96 on: January 27, 2013, 02:23:18 PM »
This may be  reliable source; even so, what has he/she really told us?  Specifically?  ...not much.    ???

That's why this is a rumor site. It gives us something to speculate about.

Also, us expecting a major EF lens release and dSLR body every second sunday is rather laughable.

Also, CR clearly did not consult those Japanese tourists from the earlier post... they clearly have more firmer answers  ;D
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« Reply #96 on: January 27, 2013, 02:23:18 PM »

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« Reply #97 on: January 27, 2013, 03:27:46 PM »
everything points to a new 100-400L

I believe in a 100-400 L II when I see it. This lens is the successor of the never going to be updated 24-70 2.8 IS / II here on CannonRumors ::)
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« Reply #98 on: January 27, 2013, 03:29:05 PM »
It would be nice to have an update on the 50mm f/1.4 - at least I am curious about it.

What would be the improvement in a new 50 f/1.4 have over the old one?
As an amateur the current lens works pretty well for me. Took a picture just yesterday. Very low light. Only source was a flatscreen. No NR applied.



oh that´s simple.

AF that does not break that often.
the 50mm f1.4 is one of the lenses where the focus breaks quite often.

better border sharpness.
better sharpness at f1.4

less bokeh fringing.
better bokeh overall on FF cameras.

the lens is good but that does not mean there is nothing to improve.
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« Reply #99 on: January 27, 2013, 03:32:36 PM »
Let's see... 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS II, 14-24 f/2.8L, and TSE-90 f/2.8L, and TSE-45 f/2.8L.

That's four, right? :P
I'm liking the possibilty of a 100-400mm (I'm dreaming again) and the 14-24mm to rival the Nikon's version.
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« Reply #100 on: January 27, 2013, 03:35:57 PM »
How about we all just go shoot photographs with the cameras and lenses we have right now, and meet back here in a year! Doesn't look like much of anything interesting will be happening, and to me that's actually fine- I don't have to spend any money for a few minutes!

The technology is really getting good, upgrades are so minor these days, there's no real excuses left.

I think I'll buy an X100s though just to satisfy my sickness.

Cheers!
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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #101 on: January 27, 2013, 04:02:34 PM »
The problem is that I can pick up an Olympus E-M5 that beats the iq of any canon APS-c camera and they are supposed to be introducing an even better successor to the E-5 ..... Or I can go Panasonic......or I can go Sony..... Or I can go Nikon.... Canon is now positioned at the bottom of the APS-c world for iq and even micro four thirds is beating it.

From a DxO-minded, sensor-only viewpoint, sure.  But what's the lens selection like over there?  I think you know the answer, as a few posts later, you wish for a 400mm lens.

You mean from a hyperbole and BS viewpoint since with the exception of a few very specially concocted test scenarios, the “IQ” of all these cameras, including those from Canon will be indistinguishable.

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« Reply #102 on: January 27, 2013, 04:05:22 PM »
So for those of us where it isn't obvious what the 4 lenses might be - in decreasing order of likelihood:

1) Non-L 50mm IS f 1.4-1.8 to replace the venerable 50mm f 1.4
- With the pancake 40mm, and the nifty 50mm, do they keep the 50mm as is or make a little refinement to it too? Could they do much for the price?

2-4/5) Successor /replacement to the 85mm f/1.8, 24mm, 28mm, 35mm

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« Reply #103 on: January 27, 2013, 04:21:47 PM »
It would be nice to have an update on the 50mm f/1.4 - at least I am curious about it.

What would be the improvement in a new 50 f/1.4 have over the old one?
As an amateur the current lens works pretty well for me. Took a picture just yesterday. Very low light. Only source was a flatscreen. No NR applied.



oh that´s simple.

AF that does not break that often.
the 50mm f1.4 is one of the lenses where the focus breaks quite often.

better border sharpness.
better sharpness at f1.4

less bokeh fringing.
better bokeh overall on FF cameras.

the lens is good but that does not mean there is nothing to improve.
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Better control of coma would be nice, too.

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« Reply #104 on: January 27, 2013, 04:37:19 PM »
So for those of us where it isn't obvious what the 4 lenses might be - in decreasing order of likelihood:

1) Non-L 50mm IS f 1.4-1.8 to replace the venerable 50mm f 1.4
- With the pancake 40mm, and the nifty 50mm, do they keep the 50mm as is or make a little refinement to it too? Could they do much for the price?

2-4/5) Successor /replacement to the 85mm f/1.8, 24mm, 28mm, 35mm

?


Again, from a feature set / modernization perspective, the new 50 IS will blow the 50/1.4 out of the water.  Better build, better focusing, IS, faster focusing, better fringing, etc.  From a pure sharpness and max aperture perspective, the new 50 IS may not offer that much.

But it will be pricey.  I'd guess $700-800 in line with the other new non-L IS primes.

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« Reply #104 on: January 27, 2013, 04:37:19 PM »