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Re: 5D III or 1D IV for sports!
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2013, 04:54:03 PM »
I used a 7D for two seasons for sports and it was great.  I've got a 5D3 but haven't used that and don't intend to.  I bought a used 1D4 last year that had 100K clicks.  The shutter has a 300K life but two months after my purchase, it crashed. 

I'm a CPS member, so I had it replaced out of warranty in 3 days for $300.  To me, its now like a new camera even with the extra $300 paid for the new shutter.  Honestly, the body is a bit beat up but the end result is whats really important to me and my viewers.

The 1D4 iso performance and fps is so much better than the 7D imho.  I wouldn't go back to the 7D however I might consider adding the new 7D2? when it gets released depending on spex. in addition to the 1D4.  Would love to have the 1DX but its not really in the budget yet.

As you know the 1D4 has a 1.3 crop and the 7D has a 1.6 crop so you lose a little distance with the 1D4.  1D4 batteries are still very expensive.

You actually don't lose any distance.  A 1D4 image cropped to the same FOV to an uncropped 7D image still has higher IQ.

I do agree, however, that the 7D is a great outdoor sports and wildlife camera, especially with the reach!
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Re: 5D III or 1D IV for sports!
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2013, 04:54:03 PM »

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Re: 5D III or 1D IV for sports!
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2013, 05:47:24 PM »
I have never used the 1DIV before, but I use my school's 7D every sporting event. I then rented the 5D MK III for the day, and, speed wise, I couldn't tell the difference. Yes, I know using AF while continuously shooting with the 7D slows it down, but the 5D was faster in tricky af situations, even with 100% AF.
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Re: 5D III or 1D IV for sports!
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2013, 06:00:43 PM »
I have both cameras.
For sports I always take the 1d4.
Reasons: higher fps, faster with teles, the 1.3 crop.
And last but not least: the continuos AF is a bit more

The only thing I am spoiled since I have the 5d3- grip: I would like the 1d to have the second knob changing  my AF- filed using it in portrait mode......
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Re: 5D III or 1D IV for sports!
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2013, 06:09:06 PM »
5DMK3 since you don't have any problem regarding the lens focal length but is having problem with ISO.  5D3 is better in ISO performance than 1DSMK3 by at least one or two stops.  1D4 is much worse than 1DSMK3 in ISO performance.
Don't know what camera you're looking at, but the 1D IV is superior to the 1Ds III in ISO performance.

I'd honestly go for the 1D IV.  Considering that you're used to a 1D style body too.

But for sports- 10 fps? great ISO performance? 1.3x crop factor? superior build? Yes x1000000.

I'd go for a 1D IV over a 5D III in your purpose. 
Shoot me if you will, but I sometimes feel as if I should trade my 5D III for a 1D IV, but I tend to work with landscapes more so I wouldn't. 

It would be good to have that old flagship combo of a 1D IV and 1Ds III.
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Re: 5D III or 1D IV for sports!
« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2013, 10:58:22 PM »
First of all, THE important thing is this is mainly for sports (hockey-often, basketball and volley ball- sometimes, football and soccer-rarely) Will use 2470, 70200 and new Sigma 120-300 when it comes out. Currently I use the 1Dmk3 and 1Dsmk3 with the 2470 and 70200 and find the ISO fairly hard to push over 3200, even at 3200 they are not great. Previously I had a 1D4 but it was sold so I'm looking to get the 5D3 (never used it before) or the 1D4 back, advices?

I think you'll find you are quite hampered by the 6fps frame rate of the 5D III. It may support higher ISO with slightly cleaner results, but when it comes to high speed action like sports, frame rate is probably the more important factor. The AF system of the 1D IV is nothing to shake a stick at, and while not quite as configurable as the 5D III's AF system, it does its job extremely well and has served many sports photographers superbly for a number of years. It is a proven system that offers 10fps, which should give you more keepers to find that perfect shot at the right moment.

Even if you have to push to ISO 3200, the 1D IV is really no slouch at that ISO. It is certainly not as good as the 1D X, however keep in mind the 1D X is really in a class of its own when it comes to ISO performance. The 5D III supports up to ISO 25600 native ISO, but lacks the additional polish that the 1D series gets. Even if the 1D IV is a little noisier than the 5D III, that noise should still be more manageable, and thus easier to clean up in post.

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Re: 5D III or 1D IV for sports!
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2013, 11:13:32 PM »
For mainly sports, I would (and do, or rather did before I switched to 1dx's) go with the mk4 over the 5d3 every time.
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Re: 5D III or 1D IV for sports!
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2013, 11:30:03 PM »
As jrista was getting at, even though the 5D Mark III is newer, I found that I could push and pull RAW files more so with the 1D Mark IV.  That is pretty common with 1D bodies vs. other bodies.
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Re: 5D III or 1D IV for sports!
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Re: 5D III or 1D IV for sports!
« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2013, 05:17:38 AM »
I just bought a 1d4 to use alongside my 5d3 but its still in the mail. Any new or interesting info about the 1d4 vs 5d3? I would be shooting weddings and events. how is the 1d4 af in low light?
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Re: 5D III or 1D IV for sports!
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2013, 06:39:34 AM »
I have currently (until I sell 3 bodies) a 7d, a 5d3, a 1d4 and a 1dx. Hands down 1dx wins, but 1div is my second favorite for wildlife (and presumably sports outside of Chess). I would take a 7d or a 5d3 in well lit situations, but for all around versitility-- for landscapes and such, 5d3 kills a 7d in IQ. Though it should, considering the price gap and age. If you want to see a video I posted showing fps of each I have included a link.

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Re: 5D III or 1D IV for sports!
« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2013, 11:07:53 AM »
1D MkIV hands down. I have a 40D, 5DMkIII, and a 1Dx and I find myself using that 1Dx a ton more for sports. I'm definitely going to purchase a 2nd 1Dx towards the end of the year. Don't get me wrong the 5DMkIII is usable but you have to be able to anticipate action really well as the fps is slower than an 1Dx or 1D MkIV.  The autofocus on the 5D MkIII is good as well but the 1Dx just focuses faster.

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Re: 5D III or 1D IV for sports!
« Reply #40 on: July 06, 2013, 05:22:59 PM »
i own both cameras.  both are fantastic for shooting sports.  if i had to pick one of them to use over the other for anything sports/wildlife related, i would almost always choose the 1d over the 5d.  there are a few very important things to take into account when making that decision - frame rate, body durability, crop factor, battery life, af system.  image quality is important too i suppose . . .

as for the frame rate, the 1d is 10 and the 5d is 6.  that one ought to be a no brainer to anyone who has shot sports before.  the faster your camera can take pictures, the better chance you have of getting the action shot you want with the facial expression you want.  is 10 fps necessary?  no.  i started shooting sports with a 5d1 - who's frame rate is just shy of 3 fpslow. 

thats the equivalent of walking 20 miles to school through the snow. i made it work and i got the shots i needed to get to complete my assignments.  however, i honestly don't remember using my 5d classic for sports once i got a 1d unless it was a situation where i absolutely needed two bodies.  the 5d3's max is 6, which isn't slow, but it sure isn't 10.

durability.  i can tell you for a fact that the 1d4 is built like a tank.  i've put mine through some pretty ridiculous conditions and it always worked flawlessly and cleaned up after assignments/vacations/music festivals/salt air.  it's been rained on countless times. i did have an issue with the hot shoe not wanting to work in ettl 2 with my 580ex one time, but i thoroughly cleaned the shoe and it works again.  that's it.  no other issues.

since i already have a camera i know has proven itself in the elements, i haven't done anything with my 5d3 to really test it's real life durability.  i can tell you for certain though, it doesn't get the same "tank" status that the 1d gets and if you held both cameras at the same time you would know exactly what i mean - one looks delicate and the other looks like it could roll down your stairs and be fine.  seriously.

another big thing that sports shooters want to take into consideration is the crop factor of their camera.  canon sacrificed some image quality with a 1.3 crop sensor in the 1d4 so the processor could handle 10 frames a second.  if you're seriously looking for degraded image quality from the crop sensor, you'll be able to zoom in and find it - but it still looks great.  but what 1.3 also means is that your 70-200 now gives you a reach of 260mm - which rocks in my opinion.  however, you're 16-35 just became a 21mm and your ultra wide capabilities are gone with that particular lens - which sucks in my opinion.  overall, i'd say most sports photographers would choose reach over a wider angle.

the battery life on the 1d4 is nothing short of ridiculous.  i've shot over 1000 images without the battery going below 50%.  at 10 fps, you won't believe how many shots you can take during a 3 hour game.  you're 1d battery wont die.  not even close.  ill go months without having to charge that thing sometimes.

the 5d3 has a bigger sensor and in turn a bigger mirror to power and operate which means more battery gets eaten.  a lot of the work i've done with my 5d3 has been on a tripod and hardly ever bursting frames, so the 5d3 battery by itself works quite a while for me, but i wouldn't go shoot something serious without an extra 5d battery.  if you do choose a 5d3 as your sports camera, i recommend getting a grip - immediately.  having a second shutter button is largely underrated in my opinion.  plus you get room for a second battery.  with a grip and two fully charged batteries, i would be surprised if most people get close to draining one of them. 

there is a fantastic af system in both cameras.  the 5d3 has the af system from the 1dx.  i've heard lots of people complain about their experiences with their 1d4 auto focus/servo.  it took me a few weeks to get my af custom functions dialed in, but after that, the servo has always been spot on.  i unfortunately haven't put my 5d3 through any real servo tests since i first got it, but it was very, very impressive for a 5d in my opinion.  the af menu is quite a bit different than the 1d4, but much easier to use once you get used to it.

when it comes down to overall image quality, the 5d3 wins.  there generally isn't going to be any application where that image improvement over the 1d4 is going to be absolutely necessary, but it's definitely there if you look close enough.

fortunately, when i go shoot, both of them get to come with me.  the 1d4 gets a 70-200 and the 5d3 gets a 16-35 or 24-70 - depending on the situation.  they're a hard combination to beat.

for most people, i'd say the 1d4 is extreme overkill.  do you need 10 fps?  is it worth paying a lot more and sacrificing some image quality for that 10fps? do you mainly shoot fast moving subjects? im not sure what the rate for a new 1d4 is right now, but im guessing you could get a 5d3 and a nice lens for the same cost, maybe less. 

honestly, i'd say a 5d3 is overkill for most photographers too.  unless you need the extra fps and the 1dx af system, you could save yourself a lot of money by getting a 5d2 or 6d and invest in glass.

i know a lot of this is repetitive throughout the thread, so i apologize.
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Re: 5D III or 1D IV for sports!
« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2013, 08:48:43 AM »
I recently discovered a "spot AF" feature in the 5d3. Does the 1d4 have something similar?
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Re: 5D III or 1D IV for sports!
« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2013, 09:14:30 AM »
The 1d4 has spot- AF only with some longer, expensive teles. Then you activate this feature with a knob on the objective.
I have both and would definitely choose the 1d.
Its not the 10fps, its the larger buffer and I like the position of the AF fields more.
Sure its possible to make excellent sportpictures with the 5d3, but for me the buffer is often something thats slows me down.
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Re: 5D III or 1D IV for sports!
« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2013, 09:14:30 AM »

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Re: 5D III or 1D IV for sports!
« Reply #43 on: July 07, 2013, 11:04:44 AM »
I would take the 1d4 as it is classified as a pro body and u can get better resale then the 5d3

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Re: 5D III or 1D IV for sports!
« Reply #43 on: July 07, 2013, 11:04:44 AM »