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17-40mm advice please!
« on: March 01, 2013, 06:20:32 AM »
Hi All
My Efs 17-85 broke awhile ago so I have been looking into getting a new lens.
I'm almost settled on going with the 17-40mm because:

I have a £600 budget [no 16-35mm]
Am a crop user that will upgrade to FF soon.
I mainly shoot with in 24-35mm range but would sometimes like wider, say 20mm
I'm mainly do landscapes in the day [but don't usually use a tripod]

Before I buy, I would like to ask is there another lens option somebody knows about/ can recommend? I'v been using a tamron 17-50mm for a few weeks that I like but I don't think it will work on FF. I'm also thinking they could possibly update the 17-40mm soon [it's like what? 10 years old?] to include IS and better optics but still f4 as so not to compete with the 16-35mm, anyone else think this is a possibility?

Thank you in advance!

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Re: 17-40mm advice please!
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2013, 06:41:44 AM »
I had the Tamron 17-50 but sold it for the 17-40 a couple months before i moved to full frame. The tamron is faster (obviously) and sharper; but Cannot be used on full frame. The 17-40 proved a nice walkround lens on my 60d, but i seem to rarely reach for it with my 5Diii. It is VERY wide on full frame; my 24-105 is plenty wide for me, but i have not really been a landscape shooter up to this point.

Granted you may not have alot of options comparable to the 17-40 in the $600 range. Id say its a nice choice; but only if you plan to go full frame sooner than later. If full frame is a couple years away still, id go with the Tamron. It takes great sharp pictures and is a bit more versatile; the 17-40 only beats it in build quality and of course full frame compatibilty.

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Re: 17-40mm advice please!
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2013, 07:00:34 AM »
Thanks, yeah the tamron is good, AF a little slow but not a problem for me really. I was also considering the 24-105 because it'll cover 90% of what I like to shoot but it's not a great lens for crop and I'm unsure when I'll move to FF, possibly a 5dmkiii at the end of the year but could be later.

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Re: 17-40mm advice please!
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2013, 07:23:22 AM »
Consider getting a used 17-55, 15-85 or the Tamron 17-50.  Getting a good crop lens will give you more flexibility for when you choose to switch to full frame.  Upon deciding to move to full frame, sell the crop lens and get the FF camera with the kit lens.  The money you lose on the used transaction should be less than the difference of buying the 24-105 in a kit versus now separately.  If 17mm on a crop is wide enough for you, then 24mm on full frame will work too once you move full frame.

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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2013, 07:24:44 AM »
If you are positive that you will move to FF then you have a few choices but none of them stellar. I had a couple 17-40's and finally got around to a 16-35 which I really enjoy. Albeit it's not the sharpest in the corners and does suffer from a bit of flare but still a very good lens. The 17-40 is troublesome in low light of course and suffers from similar flare and corner issues.
If you are going to stay with a crop for any length of time I strongly urge you to rent or buy a Canon 10-22. Great value and it's shortcomings are easily corrected in Post. Retains it's value well and you'll recoup 95% in a sale when you go to FF.

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Re: 17-40mm advice please!
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2013, 07:52:39 AM »
A lot of people say they will upgrade to full frame but when? It is a must for most but a lot dont and fixate on it too much. Buy what will give you the most benefit now.

The 17-55mm F2.8 IS is the best standard zoom lens available for a crop sensor camera so I would go with that. I shot professionally with this lens for 3 years and its so good I kept it to use on my back up body.

Although the 17-55mm F2.8 IS is the full frame equivalent of 27-88mm F4 IS

The 17-40mm is 27-64mm F4 on crop with no IS depends if that is important, it will allow making the move easier, but full frame is generally twice the price of crop so decide what is urgent now rather than later.

The 17-40mm is nice on crop tho, and is a good price. The 17-40mm on FF doesn't perform as well as others tho, it is a little soft in the corners.
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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2013, 08:36:55 AM »
I have the 17-40 and in spite of what often is said i am happy with it. Decent sharpness, not a brutal pincushion (like 24-105 has at 24..!!) , L-Build, light and ---- affordable.

On a crop camera i default to the 17-55 2.8 - it is a magnificent lens. I would say it's a L-Grade EF-S lens in sharpness, not quite there in build. Not sure what they sell for in Pound-Sterling, might be 100-150 more.

So the real decision paramter is how fast you switch to FF. If you want it NOW and you plan FF, then 17-40 is not a bad choice. IMO

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Re: 17-40mm advice please!
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2013, 08:43:06 AM »
The 17-40mm is nice on crop tho, and is a good price. The 17-40mm on FF doesn't perform as well as others tho, it is a little soft in the corners.

I've got the 17-40L on crop because of the usual ff upgrade scenario - and though the lens lacks corner sharpness on ff (if you really need/want that) it's not that sharp anywhere on crop but outresolved by the sensor until f8. So for tripod brackets or bright daylight handheld it's very nice, good build quality and decent price (and it's a Canon, believe it or not :-)), but it definitely doesn't qualify as a photojournalism lens.

Reminder 1: Even if shooting ff with better iso capability you will still want to shoot at lower iso for the max. dynamic range, so the lack of IS might be still a problem.

Reminder 2: There seem to be more than the usual amount of "bad copies" out there, so check for decentering, I had to return my first lens. On stellar lenses like the 24-70ii a little less performance doesn't show until you're using a high mp camera, but with the mediocre 17-40 sharpness every problem shows.

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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2013, 09:08:56 AM »
This is actually somewhat difficult, although generally the 17-40mm zoom is an excellent lens for its price.

I wouldn't bother too much regarding individual lens design flaws, because whatever you purchase has to fit into your budget. You can still produce good photos with these zoom lenses.

@Sith Zombie: Would this 17-40mm lens be the your only lens? If so, I strongly advise to take a look at the 24-105mm zoom. It is not very expensive, but highly versatile, while the 17-40mm zoom on full-frame is a dedicated wide angle zoom, so you would be fairly limited in what you can do overall. On full-frame you may find that 24mm is wide enough often enough that the additional focal length range of the 24-105mm will do you more good than the the lost wide angle range compared to the 17-40mm lens will be an issue.

Do compare both lenses on a full-frame body, not on a crop body. On crop the 17-40mm lens provides you with a very reasonable, although not very wide focal length range, while the 24-105mm lens will be limited regarding wide angle capability, so the comparison you make on a crop body won't hold true on a full-frame body with the focal lengths of both lenses appearing to be much shorter.
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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2013, 09:30:35 AM »
@Ambientlight, I'v got a 50mm too. With regard to the 24-105, yes I really like the idea of this lens as it would cover most of what I do [24mm to 35mm, and occasionally dipping into short telephoto] but that's on FF, on a crop I don't think the range is that good for me. Random orbits mentioned about getting it with the ff body, which I think is a good idea.
@everyone else, thanks for your input its appreciated :] I'v been thinking 'what lens will be best now and future proofed for FF' but now Im thinking maybe just get the best lens now for crop and worry about FF when I actually get it. Thanks

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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2013, 10:08:36 AM »
Although the 17-55mm F2.8 IS is the full frame equivalent of 27-88mm F4 IS

The 17-40mm is 27-64mm F4 on crop

Just to avoid some confusion:
The 17-55mm f/2.8 IS is the full frame equivalent of 27-88mm f/4.5 IS.
The 17-40mm f/4 is equivalent to 27-64mm f/6.4 on crop.  ;)
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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2013, 10:37:23 AM »
Tokina 16-28 f/2.8 is about the same price and works on FF.
Very sharp (even more than 16-35 II) but lens flare isn't as well controlled...
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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2013, 11:11:24 AM »
The 17-40 just like the 24-105 suffers from somewhat very split opinions in the world of camera enthusiasts. On one hand you read about both that they are very good lenses that deliver good results (on a scale where "very good" would be 70-200 4L or 100mm 2.8L and "excellent" would be 135L or 24-70L II), on the other hand people rage about it not being L worthy for their lack of quality. Truth is there is a wide variety of quality throughout the lenses of the same type - there are 17-40 that are just a bit better than others.

I never had a really wide lens until some months ago when I got a Samyang 14mm and was very happy with it and also with the focal length - ultra wide angle just rocks if done right. I loved it so much I wanted to get an automatic and if possible weather sealed lens. After looking around the possibilities I ended up with either 17-40 or 16-35. As the 16-35 was a bit out of my limit I decided to get a 17-40 first, maybe I will upgrade later because of better image quality and one additional stop, but I must say I like it for now. Of course there are some distortions in the corners, well it's quite some very wide angle so I can live with that. Combined with a post processing correction program like DxO optics I am very satisfied with the results it delivers. Plus it's weather sealed if you apply a filter. I must say for its wider angle it's more a walkaround lens for me than my Tamron 24-70, it's lighter and faster and when going on a hike or something I just like the extra milimeters in the lower range.

So to conclude I say get a good 17-40 when you can. Upgrade is always a possibility these days.

All of the above of course only applies if you plan to change to full frame soon. Otherwise there are better choices for crop bodys.
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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2013, 11:13:49 AM »
If you are going FF soon then get the kit lens (24-105) with the 5d3 or 6D since it costs about $450 when bought as a kit. normally you'd pay about 750-800 for it.

 It will be as wide as 15mm is on crop, so plenty wide that you may not need the 17-40. But at that range, there are few UWA's that rival the 17-40L.
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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2013, 12:19:23 PM »
Which other lenses do you have? At the moment I am short of a WA with my 5D3 and saving up for the 16-35. On the 30D I used the 10-22 which is its equivalent on a crop body. So for the moment I am using an 28 f/2.8 if I wanna go  wider. In case you are not in a hurry to go FF, I'd wait. Sure, the wait depends on your saving scheme. I cannot throw in a lot of money per month. But even though it takes a while, itis time well used to work the learning curve with the new cam. 8)
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