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Re: TS-E 17mm or 24mm
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2013, 06:32:44 PM »
For somebody who uses 16mm as often as you do get the 17TS-E. If you want a bit more flexibility with minimal loss in IQ then get a 1.4TC MkIII.

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You've done a superlative job working around the limitations of the 16-35, but there isn't a shot amongst those you posted that I personally wouldn't have gone with the TS-E 17 if I had a choice between the two. Now that I've seen what you're drawn to, it seems pretty clear that the 17 is for you, in spades.

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Re: TS-E 17mm or 24mm
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Re: TS-E 17mm or 24mm
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2013, 06:37:25 PM »
 
So is selective focus a viable possibility with the tilt adjustment of either the 17 or 24mm? I always loved tilting the front standard on 4x5s....and hoped  maybe I could do achieve something similar with these lenses (particularly the 17mm as I love ultrawides) but it sounds like depth of field may be so deep that this won't really be possible.

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Re: TS-E 17mm or 24mm
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2013, 06:49:47 PM »

So is selective focus a viable possibility with the tilt adjustment of either the 17 or 24mm? I always loved tilting the front standard on 4x5s....and hoped  maybe I could do achieve something similar with these lenses (particularly the 17mm as I love ultrawides) but it sounds like depth of field may be so deep that this won't really be possible.

Reverse tilt is very effective with the 17mm TS-E.

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Re: TS-E 17mm or 24mm
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2013, 06:58:34 PM »
I have been dreaming of a TS-E lens ever since I discovered they exist. I guess I am going to get one for my travel next month to Venice, Florence, Siena. I would probably opt for the 17mm version. So far I have been using my 16-35mm II when inside towns to do 'architecture' photography. What do you guys think 17mm or 24mm - both would be a bit cheeky...

I like the 17mm focal length but then again, I'm a very big fan of filters and the 17mm TS-E can not fit any filters unless  otherwise you do some DIY filter holder. If you like to use filters, then the 24mm TS-E II is the way to go.
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Re: TS-E 17mm or 24mm
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2013, 07:10:09 PM »
I don't understand the draw of a tilt shift.  I like the results,  but not enough to throw down a thousand bucks.   I'm replying because I'm hoping to get some in sight  on the why.
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By tilting, you can achieve a deep DOF from front to back and by shifting, you can overcome the keystone effect/converging verticals. These images were both done using both the tilt and shift method.
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Re: TS-E 17mm or 24mm
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2013, 07:20:06 PM »
The real value of the TS-E's only comes out when you start to reproduce your images at decent sizes. The truth is if you are only going to post online and small printing then hyperfocal focusing and fixing keystone in post will normally work fine. If you start to demand better results and what to print 12"x18" and above then the TS-E's will make a big difference.

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Re: TS-E 17mm or 24mm
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2013, 08:51:52 PM »
By tilting, you can achieve a deep DOF from front to back and by shifting, you can overcome the keystone effect/converging verticals.

It's not just squared-off manmade structures that benefit from movements, of course, though that's where it's the most instantly obvious.

This attached shot was also made with both tilt and shift on the TS-E 24. The flowers were just a foot or two away from the camera. The Superstition Mountains in the background are a mile or so away...and yet the flowers, the cliffs from base to peak, and the meadow between are all in sharp focus.

This is very close to straight out of the camera, too. No cropping. It's a colorimetric rendition, or very close; I had to dial back the sky by about a stop to bring back some of the color, but that's it.

I haven't made a print of this yet, but I've got plans for at least a 24" x 36" print, or I might even go all the way to 36" x 54.

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Re: TS-E 17mm or 24mm
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Re: TS-E 17mm or 24mm
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2013, 04:09:27 AM »
so i understand from reviews the in-focus indicator will be working with this lens. is this also true when shifted or do you better work with liveview? i am currently using a 5dIII.
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Re: TS-E 17mm or 24mm
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2013, 06:09:39 AM »
so i understand from reviews the in-focus indicator will be working with this lens. is this also true when shifted or do you better work with liveview? i am currently using a 5dIII.
I only focus my TS-E 17 and 24 via LiveView at 5x and 10x.  This is the case whether I am using the tilt, shift, both, or neither.

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The viewfinder focus points work for focus-confirm (i.e. they beep as you move the focus manually), but usually they are only reliable when the lens is not tilted or shifted.

Similarly, the camera exposure metering becomes unpredictable (well, probably not, but I've still not figured out how to predict it...), so live-view and/or exposure bracketing are often important.

FWIW, using a tilt-shift lens is a lot more time consuming than any conventional lens. As others have pointed out, you can correct perspective for conventional images, albeit with a loss of resolution.

If your subject is not moving and you don't mind a ton of time in photoshop etc you can pretty much eliminate the need for TS if, for example. you shoot a high-res panorama before applying software corrections (thereby offsetting the resolution loss), or using focus stacking to increase DOF. Unless you shoot a lot of images that would benefit from TS, these might be viable options. I have actually done this for some images shot at 200mm, though it is pain to process.

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Re: TS-E 17mm or 24mm
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2013, 06:25:00 AM »
For somebody who uses 16mm as often as you do get the 17TS-E. If you want a bit more flexibility with minimal loss in IQ then get a 1.4TC MkIII.


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You can use the 1.4TC MKIII on the 17mm TS-E?
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Re: TS-E 17mm or 24mm
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2013, 06:58:19 AM »
By tilting, you can achieve a deep DOF from front to back and by shifting, you can overcome the keystone effect/converging verticals.

It's not just squared-off manmade structures that benefit from movements, of course, though that's where it's the most instantly obvious.

This attached shot was also made with both tilt and shift on the TS-E 24. The flowers were just a foot or two away from the camera. The Superstition Mountains in the background are a mile or so away...and yet the flowers, the cliffs from base to peak, and the meadow between are all in sharp focus.

Yes indeed. Here's another example wherein the foreground is less than two feet away. Another benefit of a TS-E lens is that, due to its larger image  circle, the corners are also sharp.

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so i understand from reviews the in-focus indicator will be working with this lens. is this also true when shifted or do you better work with liveview? i am currently using a 5dIII.
I only focus my TS-E 17 and 24 via LiveView at 5x and 10x.  This is the case whether I am using the tilt, shift, both, or neither.
+1. This is always the way to go to achieve a more precise focussing.  :)
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Re: TS-E 17mm or 24mm
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2013, 09:08:36 AM »
The 24 mm version II, sharper and wide enough for my needs.

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Re: TS-E 17mm or 24mm
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2013, 09:15:27 AM »
For somebody who uses 16mm as often as you do get the 17TS-E. If you want a bit more flexibility with minimal loss in IQ then get a 1.4TC MkIII.


Questions:
You can use the 1.4TC MKIII on the 17mm TS-E?
What is the IQ like?
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Yes.
Very high.
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I only post what I personally do. I have found the 17 and 1.4 MkIII to be very high quality, if you are concerned about any miniscule distortion introduced then you can make your own lens profile with the free Adobe software. I haven't found it enough of an issue to bother.

I even found the 17 TS-E and 2x TC MkII to be higher IQ than the 24mm TS-E MkI, and the newer combo has much better functionality.

If you need/want the fov the 17 is the only way to go, but it has great flexibility as a 24mm and a 34mm. If you want to use filters (easily) don't need/want the wider fov or have the time to stitch with the 24 then get the 24 MkII, it is slightly sharper, it does take filters, it doesn't have the crazy front element.

I got mine principally for interiors (that is what paid for it) but it is such a good lens that I use it all over the place. With a little pre-visualisation you can even use shift and tilt handheld to good effect.

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Re: TS-E 17mm or 24mm
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Re: TS-E 17mm or 24mm
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2013, 09:41:32 AM »
I have both the 17mm f4L and 24mm f3.5L II TS-E lenses, although the 24mm has mostly been sitting in the camera bag since I got the 17mm (even thought the 24mm is the sharper of the two, by a tiny margin).

I like the 17mm TS-E lens because it's sharper and has less distortion than any other lens of comparable focal length (with the possible exception of the Zeiss 15mm f2.8, but it won't accept graduated filters).  The tilt and shift features are just nice bonuses, and I use the lens shifted more often than not.  I also like that I can use the same Lee and Singh-Ray filters on both TS-E lenses, and both lenses work surprisingly well with the Canon extenders.
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Re: TS-E 17mm or 24mm
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2013, 09:55:12 AM »
For somebody who uses 16mm as often as you do get the 17TS-E. If you want a bit more flexibility with minimal loss in IQ then get a 1.4TC MkIII.


Questions:
You can use the 1.4TC MKIII on the 17mm TS-E?
What is the IQ like?
Answers:
Yes.
Very high.
 :)
WOW!....I have a 1.4TC MKIII....for my 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II...
I say WOW because...I have been saving for the new Zeiss 15mm f/2.8 ZE...and then..I got to thinking I could buy a Canon 17mm TSE, save $700-$800, have the tilt and shift, comparable image quality (right?) and the 1.4x set up would just be a bonus. (I never thought a 'tele' converter would work well on a SWlens.
hmmmmm....I will have to think about this more....DAMN!!!! LOL!
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Re: TS-E 17mm or 24mm
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