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Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« Reply #135 on: May 07, 2013, 02:40:47 PM »
The Wall Street Journal is stating that Adobe is abandoning the packaged software model in favor of Creative Cloud, and plans no further release of Creative Suit after the current 6.0.

If I'm not wrong its been a year since they started Adobe Creative Cloud, but it is still not available in my region http://www.adobe.com/mena_en/products/creativecloud.html?promoid=JFQGY


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Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« Reply #135 on: May 07, 2013, 02:40:47 PM »

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Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« Reply #136 on: May 07, 2013, 02:44:50 PM »
Man excellent point the stupid 'cloud' stuff could even force you to use OS you don't even feel like using yet. Wht if the next version requires Windows 9 and it still stinks and you don't want to change from 7 until Windows 10 or something?

Well yes and no.  They would not FORCE you to change OS.... you would be forced to pay for basically an upgrade you may never use.

What I have seen in the IT world is a lot slower adoption of Software.  There are still windows XP and 98 machines in the wild, especially XP as well as look at Office and even though there is not only 2007 and 2010... a ton of people are still on 2003.

So the key for Adobe, is to get people to pay, regardless of whether they use the software.  Even if Adobe does not jack up their prices,

5 year outlay = $2760
10 year outlay = $5760

What Adobe wants is for people to sign up for the larger package, find uses for products they may not use because they are there, and then SLOWLY and CONSISTENTLY take more money.

It is far easier to get $50/month out of someone that $3,000, and by selling the $30/mo first, most will forget when the price goes up since it will be just jammed in the middle of the Credit Card statement.

As well.  Ever notice.

Creative Cloud = CC

Credit Card = CC

Basically this is Adobe Credit Card Charging Consortium

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Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« Reply #137 on: May 07, 2013, 02:50:19 PM »
A swap to this model of using Adope CS6 will cause some problems for big organisations that have to secure their datas .
The head of the IT department in the organisation where I work, is in doubt whether the state bureaus is allowing to open the firewall/safety-solutions to use this cloud based software. It is to risky. They are in fear to get hacked.
And we own really a lot of CS6 licences.


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Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« Reply #138 on: May 07, 2013, 02:52:04 PM »

Onward and upward dudes!  To the cloud!

Yeah how much did you get paid to parrot that silly slogan hah.
Such a silly name too, makes something very old in the world of computing sound new and fresh and exciting (OK maybe not a silly name, but a sneaky one).

LOL nothing, I just happen to think

a) This type of thing is inevitable and if done right (eventually) can be beneficial to everyone including customers.  If Adobe products are no longer superior and pricing is too high then competition will appear and catch up.

b) The $20 per month for PS and $50 for everything is not as bad a deal as everyone is making it out to be.  Yes, it's more money and for those that do not upgrade every release it's quite  abit more.  But there's added value in the new model for some users especially those with a desktop and laptop as they get to install to two machines.

Calling it Creative Cloud is a bit of spin since they are not really cloud applications but there is a cloud component.  And besides, if they really were cloud apps that would be bad.

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Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« Reply #139 on: May 07, 2013, 02:57:32 PM »
And no, you won't have any warning they are going away, unless you are an insider.  They DO go poof in the middle of the night.

Outside of the financial industry, it is very rare that a major corporation suddenly and without warning shuts it doors and leaves all customers out in the cold.

Hah! Do you know how many game companies and other software companies have gone under??
When it comes to that most are too bedraggled and desperate to even care about trying to toss out patches to remove protection (or still hoping that someone will buy them or certain items out inthe future and too afraid of losing out on that chance).

Same for music. Music Giants went under. Anyone who wasn't lucky enough to have updated the license on all their songs before they went under got stuck with tens, hundreds of useless music files (and even those files will go away unless you losslessly burn them and then losslessly re-capture them from disc before your current computer changes too much and the rights go away again). RIAA never bothered to help anyone get what they had bought back either, they were just like cool haha now they all have to buy stuff a second time.

I know of many.  But my point is not many "major corporations" suddenly and without warning shut their doors with no opportunity for customers to take appropriate action.  The comment I was responding to suggested that if Adobe ever went bankrupt users would suddenly lose their image files and have to tell customers that their photos were lost.  Not going to happen.  If Adobe went bankrupt the world would have plenty of notice... they are a public company that reports quarterly, we would see their revenue and profit falling and that would be due to poor sales due to loss of customers likely due to poor products that less and less people want to use, etc. etc.

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Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« Reply #140 on: May 07, 2013, 03:43:02 PM »
A swap to this model of using Adope CS6 will cause some problems for big organisations that have to secure their datas .
The head of the IT department in the organisation where I work, is in doubt whether the state bureaus is allowing to open the firewall/safety-solutions to use this cloud based software. It is to risky. They are in fear to get hacked.
And we own really a lot of CS6 licences.


xps this is the aspect that most interests me I'd be really interested to hear what your company does about that or indeed what Adobe's (or your suppliers) response is.

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Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« Reply #141 on: May 07, 2013, 04:00:12 PM »
A swap to this model of using Adope CS6 will cause some problems for big organisations that have to secure their datas .
The head of the IT department in the organisation where I work, is in doubt whether the state bureaus is allowing to open the firewall/safety-solutions to use this cloud based software. It is to risky. They are in fear to get hacked.
And we own really a lot of CS6 licences.

Okay, repeat after me: This is NOT a cloud application. This is Not a cloud application.

From Adobe's website: "And, as always, your applications live on your desktop, not in a browser and not in the cloud."

It is just a confusingly-named marketing scheme.
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« Reply #141 on: May 07, 2013, 04:00:12 PM »

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Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« Reply #142 on: May 07, 2013, 04:23:01 PM »
OK, i've sat and watched this discussion on various forums and have reached the following conclusion...

Adobe Cloud is without doubt a means of extorting money out of people because they think they now have control of industry standard software which people will have to keep subscribing to such as MS Office.

How many people still actually use MS Office, as opposed to a 'compatible' package. I do a reasonable amount of stuff on an iPad, and rest assured there is no MS Office app for that - and yet the docs still work with the official MS Office apps!

Then we come to 'industry standard' - has no one learned? Who here remembers the days when you would most likely 'build' your own PC - and you couldn't do it unless it came with a 'genuine Creative Labs Soundblaster Sound Card'? If you had sound issues - all you ever got off BBS was - 'hmmm - only designed to work with Soundblaster, change your card!'  >:(

Last time i looked on the web, or visited a place that sells computers and components to build one with - i see nothing about Creative Labs or Soundblaster - do they still exist?  :-\

I'm afraid i won't be signing up to any 'cloud computing agreement'. These are not main frames we are using - and we are not beholden to IBM to supply the required software. There are too many other versions of software out there for managing images - it might require some relearning and adjusting to different software ideology, but it will be mine and 'lesser' companies will be happy to take my money to provide such software.

Worse still for Adobe- Canon does a damn good job of providing some extremely respectable alternative software for free  :) If Canon were to suddenly withdraw the provision of said free software - then I'd get suspicious and ditch Canon - sometimes principles are more important than kit!  :-\

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Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« Reply #143 on: May 07, 2013, 04:32:25 PM »
A swap to this model of using Adope CS6 will cause some problems for big organisations that have to secure their datas .
The head of the IT department in the organisation where I work, is in doubt whether the state bureaus is allowing to open the firewall/safety-solutions to use this cloud based software. It is to risky. They are in fear to get hacked.
And we own really a lot of CS6 licences.

Okay, repeat after me: This is NOT a cloud application. This is Not a cloud application.

From Adobe's website: "And, as always, your applications live on your desktop, not in a browser and not in the cloud."

It is just a confusingly-named marketing scheme.

The problem I have, regardless of whether the software resides in the cloud, on your desktop or on Pandora, is a requirement for an internet connection so that every time you start the application a license check is performed.  That would cause a great deal of heartburn on my part.

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Re: Alternatives to Adobe Software
« Reply #144 on: May 07, 2013, 04:35:24 PM »
How about Canon's Digital Photo Professional? It ships free with cameras, updates are free and the program does a marvelous job at editing photographs. Who needs anything else? And why?
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« Reply #145 on: May 07, 2013, 04:42:18 PM »
How about Canon's Digital Photo Professional? It ships free with cameras, updates are free and the program does a marvelous job at editing photographs. Who needs anything else? And why?

well if you have to ask that question you obviously have never uses photoshop or done anything that has to to with image editing beside some color and exposure corrections.......
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Re: Alternatives to Adobe Software
« Reply #146 on: May 07, 2013, 04:45:48 PM »
Well maybe us who 'uses' only DPP don't have to do anything else with our photos than simple editing!
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Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« Reply #147 on: May 07, 2013, 04:55:16 PM »
A swap to this model of using Adope CS6 will cause some problems for big organisations that have to secure their datas .
The head of the IT department in the organisation where I work, is in doubt whether the state bureaus is allowing to open the firewall/safety-solutions to use this cloud based software. It is to risky. They are in fear to get hacked.
And we own really a lot of CS6 licences.

Okay, repeat after me: This is NOT a cloud application. This is Not a cloud application.

From Adobe's website: "And, as always, your applications live on your desktop, not in a browser and not in the cloud."

It is just a confusingly-named marketing scheme.

The problem I have, regardless of whether the software resides in the cloud, on your desktop or on Pandora, is a requirement for an internet connection so that every time you start the application a license check is performed.  That would cause a great deal of heartburn on my part.

It is not going to be that restrictive. The licensing server will either need to be connected to once ever 30 days or every 99 days. I have heard both numbers from adobe representative, so I am not sure which is true. My guess would be 30 days though.

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« Reply #147 on: May 07, 2013, 04:55:16 PM »

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Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« Reply #148 on: May 07, 2013, 05:02:51 PM »
It is not going to be that restrictive. The licensing server will either need to be connected to once ever 30 days or every 99 days. I have heard both numbers from adobe representative, so I am not sure which is true. My guess would be 30 days though.

For photoshop, maybe not such a big deal.  But it's my understanding that a lot of people that use the video production software very specifically have it on a PC that is NOT connected to the internet to reduce virus risk.  I dunno, maybe that's old school.  Either way, I'm already shopping for other options.

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« Reply #149 on: May 07, 2013, 05:11:17 PM »
Adobe's stocks dropped like a whore's drawers this morning according to the iPhone Stocks app.
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