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Patent: EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS
« on: June 13, 2013, 10:35:40 AM »

Another patent

This is probably the third separate patent I have seen for an EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS over the last 24 months. A zoom ring version does exist in the wild. We’re told the push/pull is finished and we’ll get a properly sealed 100-400. The cost will be north of $2500 USD and we could finally see it announced before the end of the year. Also appearing in the patent is a 70-300.


The breakdown below is Google translated



  • Patent Publication No. 2013-105053

    • Publication date 2013.5.30

    • Filing date 2011.11.15



  • Example 1

    • Zoom ratio 4.01

    • Focal length f = 72.48-135.49-290.86mm

    • Fno. 4.58-4.94-5.85

    • Half angle ω = 16.62-9.07-4.25 °

    • Image height Y = 21.64mm

    • 143.42-175.48-201.87mm overall length of the lens

    • BF 39.98mm



  • Example 3

    • Zoom ratio 3.75

    • Focal length f = 104.16-166.66-391.00mm

    • Fno. 4.60-5.20-5.80

    • Half angle ω = 11.73-7.40-3.17 °

    • Image height Y = 21.64mm

    • 221.48-252.31-300.68mm overall length of the lens

    • BF 70.65-87.69-113.37mm



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    • I want to put in the first group the anomalous dispersion optical element

    • It is possible correction and lateral chromatic axial chromatic aberration, but spherical aberration of color and field curvature occurs

    • By optimizing the placement, the correction and field curvature, the spherical aberration of the color of g-line




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Patent: EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS
« on: June 13, 2013, 10:35:40 AM »

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Re: Patent: EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2013, 11:33:53 AM »
Interesting about 70-300.  The current 70-300 is a great lens; light weight and reasonable sharp.  Wonder what the Canon-gods have in store for us.

It would great if the new 100-400 is on par with the 70-300 or even better, close to the 70-200.  Though I suspect a 4x zoom will be hard to make as sharp as the 70-200 (which is 2.8x zoom).

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Re: Patent: EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2013, 11:52:15 AM »
It would great if the new 100-400 is on par with the 70-300 or even better, close to the 70-200.  Though I suspect a 4x zoom will be hard to make as sharp as the 70-200 (which is 2.8x zoom).
As long as it will be best at 400mm fully open...

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Re: Patent: EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2013, 12:03:47 PM »
at least in the patents one can see by how much Canon (and other lens makers) screw us by providing the focal lengths written on the lens!  >:(

no need to waste research on yet another boring, slow, consumer 70-300.
Just get on with that 100-400 II. 

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Re: Patent: EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2013, 12:07:18 PM »
Where's Example 2??

We’re told the push/pull is finished and we’ll get a properly sealed 100-400.

The inference is that a push-pull lens is not 'properly sealed.'  However, for the similarly-designed push-pull 28-300L, Canon states that the, "Tight seal structure ensures excellent dust-proof and drip-proof performance."   So there's no reason we couldn't get a properly sealed push-pull 100-400L...
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Re: Patent: EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2013, 12:13:10 PM »
at least in the patents one can see by how much Canon (and other lens makers) screw us by providing the focal lengths written on the lens!  >:(

no need to waste research on yet another boring, slow, consumer 70-300.
Just get on with that 100-400 II.
By that way of thinking, this other lens is just a boring, slow, consumer 100-400.

I think you need to man up and get the 200-400 1.4x.  That one is definitely not a consumer lens.   :P

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Re: Patent: EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2013, 12:31:45 PM »
The inference is that a push-pull lens is not 'properly sealed.'  However, for the similarly-designed push-pull 28-300L, Canon states that the, "Tight seal structure ensures excellent dust-proof and drip-proof performance."   So there's no reason we couldn't get a properly sealed push-pull 100-400L...

Don't know how difficult it may be to weatherseal push-pull zooms. Not interested in those.

What I am observing however, is that Canon is withholding wheathersealing in anything other than expensive Luxury products. In reality, wheathersealing of DSLRs and lenses is really simple and does not cause significant additional R&D and production costs. As demonstrated by Pentax over and over again. All it takes is a few O-rings in the right places:

That's what cheap kit-lenses look like at Pentax these days:


http://www.photoscala.de/Artikel/Pentax-K-50-Wetterfest-und-robust [and sorry, got it in German only at the moment]

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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2013, 12:31:45 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2013, 01:14:33 PM »
double the price.. as expected. :(


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Re: Patent: EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2013, 02:05:30 PM »
I really didn't care about a mk2 as I assumed they're almost certainly going to make it a twister. But if they're going to do another push-pull... I feel my wallet twitching!
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Re: Patent: EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2013, 02:59:18 PM »

Don't know how difficult it may be to weatherseal push-pull zooms. Not interested in those.

What I am observing however, is that Canon is withholding wheathersealing in anything other than expensive Luxury products. In reality, wheathersealing of DSLRs and lenses is really simple and does not cause significant additional R&D and production costs. As demonstrated by Pentax over and over again. All it takes is a few O-rings in the right places:

That's what cheap kit-lenses look like at Pentax these days:


http://www.photoscala.de/Artikel/Pentax-K-50-Wetterfest-und-robust [and sorry, got it in German only at the moment]

I think we've seen example after example over the last few years that suggest Canon's philosophy is to give consumers as little as they can get away with and still move product.  Exhibit A: the T5i; Exhibit B: the 50D, complete with video capabilities that were disabled prior to release.

Now, before anyone says anything, I'm not saying this isn't their right.  It is something to be aware of before jumping on the Canon bandwagon.  Pentax, for example, offers more for your dollar but if you want to use a high end tilt-shift lens or an elaborate Speedlite system Pentax may not be the best choice.

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Re: Patent: EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2013, 03:00:51 PM »
double the price.. as expected. :(

If this thing comes in at $2,500 I'd be relieved given what Canon has been doing lately with pricing.  (Of course, the quote is "north of" $2,500.)

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Re: Patent: EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2013, 04:04:56 PM »
Last time I checked, 2500 isn't double 1500.

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Re: Patent: EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2013, 05:12:18 PM »
I was under the impression that the new 100-400 was to have a max ap @ 4, not 4.5. I know this is picking nits, but with such an increase in price, I want all I can get. Obviously IQ will be the ultimate determining factor (other than price) on whether I upgrade or keep my current beloved copy.

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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2013, 05:12:18 PM »

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Re: Patent: EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2013, 06:39:27 PM »
With a FF kit, this would be a tempting upgrade path from the 70-300L to get a bit more reach...but at that price point it might just make more sense to grab a 70D (when it comes out) and use the 70-300 with it when I need maximum reach (I consider it an outdoor lens anyway - I don't use it inside where FF quality makes the biggest difference)...figures.

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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2013, 06:48:38 PM »
Last time I checked, 2500 isn't double 1500.
It is double the refurbished price from Canon, shipped.

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Re: Patent: EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2013, 06:48:38 PM »