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Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« on: July 31, 2013, 08:52:26 PM »
I just took the plunge and ordered myself a 60d upgrading from a 450d. I also bought the EF 35mm f/2 (not the new one with IS) because I wanted a fast prime for general shooting to replace the 18-55mm kit lens that came with the 450d.

I am an outdoors person so I love to shoot landscapes so I have been looking for a good wide angle prime for this. After having the EF 35mm for a while, I would like to get a wide angle prime lens over a zoom. The wide aperture for shooting in low light or nighttime situations and the great amount of control over the depth of field. I don't need the flexibility of a zoom (however I am open to zoom recommendations) as landscapes are more about composition than framing (and you can always crop it later if you want). I am leaning away from a fisheye lens because of their distortion and if I were to use one I would end up correcting every image anyway. I would also like something that I could throw a rectangular ND Grad on for certain situations

Here is what I have found so far in my budget (<$700)

Right now i'm not sure what to go with. There doesn't seem to be very many options in the segment. I can't be the only one with this problem.
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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2013, 08:55:29 PM »
Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 or a used Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5.
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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2013, 10:29:58 PM »
or Sigma 10-20mm F3.5 Ex Dc Hsm.  Make sure it's F3.5.  The other one isn't that good.

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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2013, 10:35:31 PM »
The Tokina's been great on my 40D and 60D.

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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2013, 10:48:57 PM »
Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 or a used Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5.
These two are the definite standouts in APS-C wide angle.

If you'd like to replace your 18-55 kit with a much better option and don't need to go quite as wide, the 15-85 is an excellent lens for APS-C.

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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2013, 10:58:29 PM »
The canon 10-22 rocks. Used it a lot before going FF.

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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2013, 10:59:11 PM »
Don't get the canon 20mm... Used to have that and it isn't good on crop. It's not wide. I highly recommend the canon 10-22 overall. Tried and hated the sigma 10-20 f4-5.6. Tokina 11-16mm is good but with the short awkward zoom range, it basically functions as a prime. You really can't go wrong with the canon.
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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2013, 11:09:43 PM »
Agree with those above.  The zooms in this category are great. I think I'd opt for the Sigma 8-16.  Because it can be so damn wide.  Or the Sigma 12-24, because it's a FF lens and works great on crop.

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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2013, 11:30:56 PM »
Agree with those above.  The zooms in this category are great. I think I'd opt for the Sigma 8-16.  Because it can be so damn wide.  Or the Sigma 12-24, because it's a FF lens and works great on crop.

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I had the Sigma 10-20, which was a great lens, but I regretted not getting the 12-24 just for the FF options.  When I went to FF from the 40D, I sold my 10-20 and got the 12-24.  No regrets!  They're pretty inexpensive and have great IQ (at least my copy does).

If I were you, I'd look seriously at the Sigma 12-24.  On a crop it won't be a fisheye, but it will be wide.  On a FF, if you eventually go that way, it will be amazing.

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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2013, 11:36:46 PM »
canon 10-22 works great, and refurb ones can be found on canon direct for around ~600 or less.
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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2013, 11:53:11 PM »
apparently, Canon 10-22 is fantastic.
I purchased mine because I read somewhere that the only reason it's not an L is because it's an EF-S.

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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2013, 12:08:29 AM »
Don't discount a fisheye on crop, I just got the Rokinon 8mm and I like it on my crop camera. It is equivalent to about 13mm on FF.

Here is an example landscape picture I took with it. This didn't need any correction for distortion.

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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2013, 12:19:33 AM »
I was in the same boat as you...looking for a wide angle prime, something that was fast, something you could screw some filters on, and not a fisheye...I bought the Rokinon (actually Samyang) 16mm 2.0 and although I haven't had much time to play with it, I do like it. But after $500 invested with shipping and tax...I'm having buyers regret. The new Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 keeps sounding better and better.  Although, it's not super wide, I like the fact that it's wide enough, sharp (from what I keep reading), has autofocus, multipurpose, screw on filter threads, and can be used for astrophotgraphy. Just something else to consider....
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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2013, 12:19:33 AM »

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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2013, 12:26:09 AM »
I have the old Sigma 10-20 4-5.6  I bought it right after the Sigma 3.5 came out.  At the time the 3.5 suffered from Quality Control problems de-centering primarily and was 3 star on Amazon and it takes 82mm filters.  I had a complete set of 77mm filters already. 

There was a website that had a big comparison between the two Sigmas, the Tamron  and the Canon at every f stop.  It rated the Canon top because it was slightly sharper but they noted that the Sigma f4-5.6 had better contrast they were all very close.   

I planed on using it primary for landscape and at the time was not a fan of Wide Angle.  Preferring telephoto and macro I could not justify the price difference between  the Canon and the Sigma 10-20. them from the pictures the little difference   The Tamron did not have USM so it was out. 

The Canon was too expensive for a lens outside my primary interests so it was out.  The Sigma 3.5 had to many problems and was price the same as the Canon. 

So I bought the 10-20 f4-5.6.  It shoots different than all my other lens.  It comes out best when shooting with all focus points in auto select.  If I just used center point it would always miss focus edge points were always fine to use it just hates the center focus point.  It also does better with spot metering.   

If I was going to buy again I would buy the Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8.  I know someone with a stellar copy  and will not give it up for anything.  If you wanted it you would have to pry it from his cold dead hands.  He actual uses it on his secondary camera when shooting full frame and preferred it over all the full frame options that are out and he has rented them all.

The Tokina  has such a short focus range most consider it a specialty lens.  It almost functions as a prime.  I would not consider the primes because compared to the zoom lens they are a little lack luster.  That said I really like my Rokinon 8mm but it is a fish eye and does not take filters.   

The one  thing the Sigma did was get me hooked on Wide angle lens.  To bad it was on my 60d that took a bath.  Funny it lives while the camera died.  Now I have a foggy zombie Sig.   It needs a cleaning and some adjustment to the somewhat functioning Auto-focus.
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Re: Wide angle lens' for crop sensor camera
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2013, 01:11:39 AM »
apparently, Canon 10-22 is fantastic.
I purchased mine because I read somewhere that the only reason it's not an L is because it's an EF-S.

It's slower than an L lens would be in that focal range, in all likelihood.  The center is not as sharp on a crop-body as the angle-equivalent 16-35 L II is on a full frame, though the edges are more sharp.  Less CA than the 16-35 L II.  Less vignetting.  So yeah, it might pass for an L lens if it weren't EF-S.  It's certainly one of the better EF-S lenses, IMO.

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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2013, 01:11:39 AM »