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Re: Which camera should I buy for a first timer
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2013, 04:27:00 AM »
I bought a t4i kit for my son similar to this and it worked great.  Of course, you have to learn how to use it.  In fact, he got some excellent shots with it, and we even did some video which turned out great- a cow elephant protecting her cub and charging me.  No problems in the bush, and he took thousands of pics.  The lenses are good but not "L".  Not a problem for a beginner, as you will limit your growth, not the camera.

Happy shooting.

I forgot to mention that my budget is in USD.

Sounds like am getting a T3i

Thank's everyone. I appreciate your replies. If I have any other questions I will ask here. I will let you guys know what my gear will be later.
I'd suggest you forgo a out of date T3i and consider a refurb t4i.  Its compatible with Canons new STM lenses which have smoother focusing for video.  The T3i is not optimized for a STM lens.  All future Canon DSLR's will likely be optimized for STM lenses.  The T4i and T5i are almost identical, so you don't need a T5i.  The T3i will not autofocus for video and does not have the touch screen.
When you do video with a STM lens, touching a point on the screen will cause the camera to smoothly change focus to the new point. 
You can trade in a worthless old Canon film slr or a broken power shot for a 15% percent discount off the refurb prices.  They are like new and have the same 1 year warranty as new.

Autofocus on T4i and T5i are worthless for filmmaking, They will hunt and are unreliable.
The T3i has handy 1080p digital zoom, and is cheaper at the same IQ
There are no good STM lenses yet, and who knows when they will be available.

Maybe you need to get yours repaired :)   
 
The 18-135 and the 18-55 have good reputations for a low cost video lens.  He does not have a $10k budget, so even if there were expensive STM L lenses available, they are out of his reach.  There are other video lenses that have smooth AF, but they push him out of his budget as well.
 
Of course you can manually focus, and do it well once you add that $5-10K worth of accessories, external monitors, focus pullers, the list is almost infinite.
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Re: Which camera should I buy for a first timer
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2013, 04:27:00 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2013, 05:50:24 AM »
T2i and T3i have the same sensor. T4i adds in mediocre live view phase detection focusing.

T3i has video zoom (1:1 pixel video instead of line skipping) which some people like to use.
T3i has better phase detection AF compared to the T2i (can't remember exactly what but i think center point is same but outer focus points are better).

I don't think you'll need any feature the T4i provides. The 70D could prove worthwile but it's not out yet.

Magic lantern could be useful for learning because it offers you deeper control of the camera.

I'd get the T4i with the two kit lenses. They are not very good but you have every focal length 18-250mm covered and can add a decent prime to that (31mm would be 50mm full frame equivalent).

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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2013, 11:25:02 AM »
I can afford a T4i if that's what you guys suggest. Should I get it ? http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-Rebel-T4i-vs-Canon-Rebel-T5i


I can't afford a CANON EOS 5D Mark III http://www.amazon.com/Canon-Frame-Full-HD-Digital-Camera/dp/B007FGYZFI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1376203569&sr=8-1&keywords=CANON+EOS+5D+Mark+III

I can afford T4i but in snapsort the T3i wins.

What do you guys think of this http://www.amazon.com/Canon-Digital-75-300mm-Telephoto-Accessory/dp/B004Q79BIA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1376203770&sr=8-2&keywords=canon+t3i

http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Camera-55-250mm-Telephoto-Accessory/dp/B00A2ATBTO/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1376203806&sr=8-14&keywords=canon+t4i

Says in this video that the T4i  cis not compatible with Magic Lantern http://www.magiclantern.fm/ unlike T3i

Don't get the 75-300... it simply isn't a very good lens.  Image quality is poor, no image stabilization... tons of chromatic aberration... the 55-250 is much better... but if you can wait a while, there are rebate deals periodically that will make a t3i and a 55-250 a much better value.
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

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Re: Which camera should I buy for a first timer
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2013, 12:13:28 PM »
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If it were me, I'd do nothing until this guy weighs in:

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He works in video and seems to have a penchant for economy.

You might send him a message also.
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Re: Which camera should I buy for a first timer
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2013, 02:54:01 PM »
Thank's for your replies guys. You really are helpful. A friend of mine suggested I get a camcorder. Since I'll be shooting films most of the time. What do you guys think ?

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/camcorders/consumer_camcorders
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Re: Which camera should I buy for a first timer
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2013, 03:54:38 PM »
Another +1 for the T3i. I still have my T2i (even though I invested in a 5DM3) and use it often. The main advantage of the T3i is the articulating screen--which is VERY useful for composing video and stills. For optics, I'd skip the kit lens and get a EF-S 15-85mm IS USM. Great lens plus IS! This combo will make you smile. And Magic Lantern is a must. It's super easy to install and bumps the camera up with a whole range of "high end" features.
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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2013, 07:08:54 PM »
Why hasn't anyone recommended a T5i w/18-55? Or with one of the newer Rokinon Cine lenses?
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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2013, 09:13:08 PM »
Why hasn't anyone recommended a T5i w/18-55? Or with one of the newer Rokinon Cine lenses?

Because the t5i and t4i are basically the same body, the 18-55 Stm len is still and stm lens and the technology for smoot auto focus still isn't at an acceptable level, and with that in mind, manual focus is going to be the same regardless if you are using a t4i, t5i, or as many of us suggest, t3i. 

As for the Rokinon... they are good, but I don't believe they have image stabilization and something like the 15-85 with IS or the 24-105 with IS might be a better option. 
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2013, 12:40:59 PM »
Thank's everyone. I bought a Canon 600D/T3i. It comes with 18-55mm lenses.

What do you guys recommend for good lenses and accessories ?

I have a tripod and small bag where I can put the camera and one lens.

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Re: Which camera should I buy for a first timer
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2013, 01:23:35 PM »
Thank's everyone. I bought a Canon 600D/T3i. It comes with 18-55mm lenses.

What do you guys recommend for good lenses and accessories ?

I have a tripod and small bag where I can put the camera and one lens.

You are going to need all of the following to make a decent film:

Install Magic Lantern
Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 and a Canon 50 1.4 may be all you need.
Tiffen 77mm variable ND filter Must! Get a 58mm-77mm reducer so you can use the Tiffen on the 50 1.4 as well -this will get you all the shallow DOF you will ever need,even in daylight.

Audio gear is a must: Rode videomic pro, get a Zoom H4 or H6(better), boom pole. Bad audio ruins good footage everytime.
Tripod
Slider, if you can afford it.

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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2013, 01:28:55 PM »
Thank's everyone. I bought a Canon 600D/T3i. It comes with 18-55mm lenses.

What do you guys recommend for good lenses and accessories ?

I have a tripod and small bag where I can put the camera and one lens.

You are going to need all of the following to make a decent film:

Install Magic Lantern
Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 and a Canon 50 1.4 may be all you need.
Tiffen 77mm variable ND filter Must! Get a 58mm-77mm reducer so you can use the Tiffen on the 50 1.4 as well -this will get you all the shallow DOF you will ever need,even in daylight.

Audio gear is a must: Rode videomic pro, get a Zoom H4 or H6(better), boom pole. Bad audio ruins good footage everytime.
Tripod
Slider, if you can afford it.

 what about one of those weighted  inertia devices that look like a C.   those smooth out  hand held and walking  shots. 
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

XS->60D->5d Mkiii:18-55->24-105L:75-300->55-250->70-300->70-200 f4L USM->70-200 f/2.8L USM->70-200 f/2.8L IS Mkii:50 f/1.8->50 f/1.4->100L-> 85mm f/1.8 USM-> 8mm -> 85mm f/1.2L mkii

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Re: Which camera should I buy for a first timer
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2013, 01:40:55 PM »
Thank's everyone. I bought a Canon 600D/T3i. It comes with 18-55mm lenses.

What do you guys recommend for good lenses and accessories ?

I have a tripod and small bag where I can put the camera and one lens.

You are going to need all of the following to make a decent film:

Install Magic Lantern
Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 and a Canon 50 1.4 may be all you need.
Tiffen 77mm variable ND filter Must! Get a 58mm-77mm reducer so you can use the Tiffen on the 50 1.4 as well -this will get you all the shallow DOF you will ever need,even in daylight.

Audio gear is a must: Rode videomic pro, get a Zoom H4 or H6(better), boom pole. Bad audio ruins good footage everytime.
Tripod
Slider, if you can afford it.

 what about one of those weighted  inertia devices that look like a C.   those smooth out  hand held and walking  shots.
They are good for lightweight camcorders. I use a Shape bracket with dual hand grip  ( http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/734304-REG/Shape_wlb_PA1100_PAPARAZZI_I.html I mount the camera sideways and screw a hand grip on the end to get dual grip) This Paparazzi II looks good http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/734317-REG/Shape_wlb_PA1200PRO_PAPARAZZI_II_PRO.html.   Some people like the circular grips like this http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/381894-REG/Manfrotto_595B_595B_Fig_Rig_Camera.html .

I also use a shoulder brace (homemade one).

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Re: Which camera should I buy for a first timer
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2013, 01:17:42 AM »
Thank's everyone. I bought a Canon 600D/T3i. It comes with 18-55mm lenses.

What do you guys recommend for good lenses and accessories ?

I have a tripod and small bag where I can put the camera and one lens.

You are going to need all of the following to make a decent film:

Install Magic Lantern
Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 and a Canon 50 1.4 may be all you need.
Tiffen 77mm variable ND filter Must! Get a 58mm-77mm reducer so you can use the Tiffen on the 50 1.4 as well -this will get you all the shallow DOF you will ever need,even in daylight.

Audio gear is a must: Rode videomic pro, get a Zoom H4 or H6(better), boom pole. Bad audio ruins good footage everytime.
Tripod
Slider, if you can afford it.

 what about one of those weighted  inertia devices that look like a C.   those smooth out  hand held and walking  shots.
They are good for lightweight camcorders. I use a Shape bracket with dual hand grip  ( http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/734304-REG/Shape_wlb_PA1100_PAPARAZZI_I.html I mount the camera sideways and screw a hand grip on the end to get dual grip) This Paparazzi II looks good http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/734317-REG/Shape_wlb_PA1200PRO_PAPARAZZI_II_PRO.html.   Some people like the circular grips like this http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/381894-REG/Manfrotto_595B_595B_Fig_Rig_Camera.html .

I also use a shoulder brace (homemade one).

What's the paparazzi thing used for mind if I ask ?

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Re: Which camera should I buy for a first timer
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2013, 01:27:57 AM »
Thank's everyone. I bought a Canon 600D/T3i. It comes with 18-55mm lenses.

What do you guys recommend for good lenses and accessories ?

I have a tripod and small bag where I can put the camera and one lens.

You are going to need all of the following to make a decent film:

Install Magic Lantern
Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 and a Canon 50 1.4 may be all you need.
Tiffen 77mm variable ND filter Must! Get a 58mm-77mm reducer so you can use the Tiffen on the 50 1.4 as well -this will get you all the shallow DOF you will ever need,even in daylight.

Audio gear is a must: Rode videomic pro, get a Zoom H4 or H6(better), boom pole. Bad audio ruins good footage everytime.
Tripod
Slider, if you can afford it.

 what about one of those weighted  inertia devices that look like a C.   those smooth out  hand held and walking  shots.
They are good for lightweight camcorders. I use a Shape bracket with dual hand grip  ( http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/734304-REG/Shape_wlb_PA1100_PAPARAZZI_I.html I mount the camera sideways and screw a hand grip on the end to get dual grip) This Paparazzi II looks good http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/734317-REG/Shape_wlb_PA1200PRO_PAPARAZZI_II_PRO.html.   Some people like the circular grips like this http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/381894-REG/Manfrotto_595B_595B_Fig_Rig_Camera.html .

I also use a shoulder brace (homemade one).

What's the paparazzi thing used for mind if I ask ?

Hand held camera work, and you can attach accessories like Audio recorder, mic, external monitor

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Re: Which camera should I buy for a first timer
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2013, 04:30:47 AM »
I recommend waiting.

I recommend waiting and seeing what kit the college has that you can hire / borrow.

Use the time in the meantime to get to grips with your camera, try the settings, read some books on what kelvins are (very important for video) set yourself little tests like 'today I shall shoot with my lens set to 50mm only' etc.
You will learn perspective.

Unless your college is shooting on ENG's or s16 etc then it's likely that there are EF mount lenses kicking about somewhere in the department.

If you have money burning a hole in your pocket then I would look at decent support.  A tripod.  A Sachtler.  Ace.

Crawl, climb, stumble, walk, run.  You don't need your nike airs just yet.

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