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« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2013, 07:38:30 AM »
Considering I'm still ( ::)) about to pull the trigger on a 500mm f4 II, this news is a bit of a concern.

Mind you, will the Sigma have the same level of quality control as Canon? No.

Will the Sigma have 4-stops of IS? Maybe.

Will the Sigma be weather-sealed like the Canon? Can't see that happening.

Is the Canon more expensive just 'cos it's white and has "Canon" on the side? No...wait, yes....no, uh....

Without boring you with the details, the universe has thwarted me at every turn in my quest to get the 500mm. Perhaps fate is trying to tell me to wait for the Sigma 500mm f4 or even a 600mm if they do one.

(to be said in a tone of reverence and wonder) Oh great and powerful internet, what 500mm shall I ever own?

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« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2013, 07:38:30 AM »

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« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2013, 09:15:55 AM »
Canon teles are F______ beast, just get them :)

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« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2013, 09:31:17 AM »
To those hoping that these superteles will be half the price of Canon, I doubt that: cheaper, undoubtedly, but my guess would be about 75% of the price of the Canon equivalent. Sigma currently has a 500mm f/4.5 which B&H sells for $5,000, slightly below half the price of the faster, lighter, optically superior, IS-equipped 500mm f/4 IS II. You can be sure that the new Sigma 500mm f/4 OS will not be $5,000 - more like $7,500 would be my guess.

So, to the guy about to pull the trigger on a Canon 400mm f/5.6, asking if the new Sigma 400mm f/2.8 is likely to be in his price range, well if your price range doesn't stretch to about $8,000 then probably not.

Regarding weather-sealing, if ever there were products for which Sigma should commit to proper weather-sealing, these new superteles are the ones. Honestly, I'd be amazed if they didn't get that part right.

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« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2013, 11:31:30 AM »
depending upon timing, I will look at sigma carefully.  Would like to get a 600 II Jan 2014 though I doubt sigma will be out before then.

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« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2013, 12:15:04 PM »
I have 5 of them and I love them. I can just set them up anywhere on a stand or with a modifier and snap away. I can control the power from the camera flash or transmitter. It is just  too convenient to put like 4 or 5 flashes in a bag and be able to place them anywhere at an event. I never tried to overpower the sun or anything but I know it isn't great  for that.

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« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2013, 12:31:04 PM »
Mr Sigma - go for a 400/4.
All the other lens fl/apertures combinations are covered by the big boys.

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« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2013, 12:34:50 PM »
Mr Sigma - go for a 400/4.
All the other lens fl/apertures combinations are covered by the big boys.

Canon doesn't make a 400mm f/4 lens?   :o
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« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2013, 12:41:05 PM »
Mr Sigma - go for a 400/4.
All the other lens fl/apertures combinations are covered by the big boys.


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Re: Big Sigma Primes [CR2]
« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2013, 12:52:35 PM »
Mr Sigma - go for a 400/4.
All the other lens fl/apertures combinations are covered by the big boys.


EF 400mm 4.0 DO IS



The Canon 400/4 DO is very expensive and is slightly mediocre optically.
I was thinking that Sigma could wisely ignore the 10 year old DO concept and give us a conventional sharp wide open 400/4.

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« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2013, 03:15:26 PM »
I've been hoping for a Sigma 400 2.8 for quite a while.  I have a fund to buy the Canon 400 2.8 but I'm not sure as a hobbyist I'll ever actually pull the trigger.  ~$11K is a ton of money for something I wouldn't use very often, I'm sure the Siggy street price would be several thousand cheaper which would be much easier to swallow.
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Re: Big Sigma Primes [CR2]
« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2013, 04:34:16 PM »

Good point. Perhaps the Art line is for apertures larger than 2.8. With the upcoming release of the 18-35mm f/1.8, we know that Sigma doesn't play by the rules. The new superteles might just be faster than 2.8. Wouldn't that be a kick. Don't know about the weight though.

If Sigma were to do an optically, even maybe mechanically competitive 300, 400, 500 & 600 I think it'll be unlikelly they'll be any faster than the Canon counterparts. I mean, Sigma is really upping their game with the recent releases but the laws of physics are the same all around Japan...an hypotetical 300f2, 400f2, 500f2.8 will be monster 10Kg lenses with uber gigantic front element diameterss, unpractical for 90+% of the people they might be in fact trying to reach.

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« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2013, 06:11:56 PM »
Guessing the availability of these future large Sigma telephoto lenses is a year off or more.  Regarding their optical or overall quality...it won't matter to some photogs how good these are.  They still won't be up to Canon's level in their minds.  Sigma is simply a red-headed stepchild, only worthy of scorn.  As constant and eternal as the tides...and it's especially true if the Sigma lens costs less than the similar Canon model.

I'm considering purchasing three lenses over the next couple of months, and none of them are made by Canon...but these will be used on a Canon camera.  One of these is a Sigma, the 35mm...the others Rokinon and Tamron.  The only brand of these which I have no personal experience with yet, is Tamron.

I currently own three canon lenses, one Voigtlander, and one Sigma...and have bought and sold several other Sigmas in the past.  The only lens I've ever used that was (slightly) "decentered" was a Tokina.  The only time I've been published (so far), was using a Sigma lens...a rather critically maligned one at that.  It was still practically Zeiss-level optically, compared to the absurd Canon 18-55 kit lens it replaced.  I sold that Sigma for the same price I paid for it, new...after owning it for three years.  The buyer was overjoyed to get it!  Apparently word got out how good a value it was, especially after it was replaced with an optically inferior model with "OS". 

I've never used a Sigma lens with a painted finish...but Sigma is not the only brand who has painted their metal lenses in the past...and then the paint flakes off.  That's why most modern DSLR lenses don't have a painted finish, nowadays...
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« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2013, 06:18:29 PM »
Mr Sigma - go for a 400/4.
All the other lens fl/apertures combinations are covered by the big boys.


EF 400mm 4.0 DO IS



The Canon 400/4 DO is very expensive and is slightly mediocre optically.
I was thinking that Sigma could wisely ignore the 10 year old DO concept and give us a conventional sharp wide open 400/4.


The Canon 300mm f/2.8 II with the 1.4x TC III is an f/4 420mm, with IQ at least as good as the 200-400mm, and with the 2xTC at 600mm slightly better than the 200-400 with its 1.4xTC TC flipped in.  Sigma would have to match the Canon pricing, weight and quality of the 300mm combinations competing with the Sigma native primes. 
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« Reply #43 on: August 26, 2013, 06:18:56 PM »
Mr Sigma - go for a 400/4.
All the other lens fl/apertures combinations are covered by the big boys.


EF 400mm 4.0 DO IS



The Canon 400/4 DO is very expensive and is slightly mediocre optically.
I was thinking that Sigma could wisely ignore the 10 year old DO concept and give us a conventional sharp wide open 400/4.


There was a recent rumor about new Canon DO lens patents or designs, and people seem to want that.  It's possible new technology can wring higher optical performance from the DO technique...or not.

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« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2013, 10:01:57 PM »
Mr Sigma - go for a 400/4.
All the other lens fl/apertures combinations are covered by the big boys.


EF 400mm 4.0 DO IS



The Canon 400/4 DO is very expensive and is slightly mediocre optically.
I was thinking that Sigma could wisely ignore the 10 year old DO concept and give us a conventional sharp wide open 400/4.



http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/542292-REG/Canon_2297B002_Telephoto_EF_200mm_f_2L.html

Plus:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/732111-USA/Canon_4410B002_Extender_EF_2X_III.html



Gets you a 200/2 and a 400/4 with no future AF compatibility worries and high resale if you need; all for $6500 USD.
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Re: Big Sigma Primes [CR2]
« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2013, 10:01:57 PM »