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Will there ever be a 24-105 mkII? or 24-120?
« on: September 06, 2013, 12:28:10 AM »
Now while I would love to own many many lenses they all seem like they would be more of a specialized purpose. the 24-105 is the kind of lens that you expect to have if you only had one camera/lens combo, the kind you can take most pictures with, a perfect walkaround lens. So my paranoia is that they are going to replace it with the 24-70 F4.


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Will there ever be a 24-105 mkII? or 24-120?
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« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2013, 01:40:07 AM »
What of you think?!! They just stopped making the original 24-105 and REPLACED IT with the 24-70 f/4.

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Re: Will there ever be a 24-105 mkII? or 24-120?
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2013, 01:51:58 AM »
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Re: Will there ever be a 24-105 mkII? or 24-120?
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2013, 02:20:56 AM »
Not likely. The lens is not marked as discontinued on the Canon site, it is in stock in all major shops. It Is still the kit lens for many cameras. It is a money maker for Canon.
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Re: Will there ever be a 24-105 mkII? or 24-120?
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2013, 02:41:50 AM »
Not likely. The lens is not marked as discontinued on the Canon site, it is in stock in all major shops. It Is still the kit lens for many cameras. It is a money maker for Canon.

Well will there ever being the key point. I mean 5 years from now, 10 years from now etc?

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Re: Will there ever be a 24-105 mkII? or 24-120?
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2013, 06:34:18 AM »
I don’t use this lens but my guess is that it will be discontinued. I believe 24-70 F4 is overpriced for marketing reasons. Canon try to make as much money as they can from a new lens but in a few years, it will probably at the same price as the 24-105 is now.

The 24-70 fits very well with eos 6D (better than 24-105). So I bet this will be the main kit in the future. This will allow Canon to maintain the price high.
For 5D3 or 5D4, the IQ of 24-105 may become limiting with new sensors. It would make sense to have the 24-70 F4 for kit and 24-70 F2.8 for the one needing better optics.
I would love to see a 24-105 F4 MK2, but at the price Canon will sell it :(  , I am not sure it will be a good deal anymore.

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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2013, 06:41:46 AM »
I think it's possible we'll see a 24-120mm f/4L IS at some point, but not until the new 24-70/4 has been out for quite a while.
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Re: Will there ever be a 24-105 mkII? or 24-120?
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2013, 09:47:54 AM »
I don’t use this lens but my guess is that it will be discontinued. I believe 24-70 F4 is overpriced for marketing reasons. Canon try to make as much money as they can from a new lens but in a few years, it will probably at the same price as the 24-105 is now.

They are not priced far apart at the moment, especially when on sale, as today at Amazon. See attached screen shot below.


The 24-70 fits very well with eos 6D (better than 24-105).

Why do you say it "fits [better]"? I like having the 24-105 and a 24-70 2.8. I have no need for a 24-70 f/4.


For 5D3 or 5D4, the IQ of 24-105 may become limiting with new sensors.

Actually, with built in profiles in the 5D3 the 24-105 is quite acceptable. Can't say anything about the 5D4. ;D It's not a 24-70 2.8 II, but I'd rather have the 24-105 on my camera than a 24-70 f/4 unless I was sure I wasn't going to need the longer focal length. It's not huge and it's useful for a wide range of applications. I often use it for street shooting. It's also a heck of a lot better from 71-105 than is any 24-70, but especially the 24-70 f/4.  8)

As to the OP, why the paranoia? Even if Canon discontinues the lens, they will still provide service for quite awhile. If you're not going to buy something because you think it's going to be replaced soon, you'd never buy a computer, or a mobile phone, or a camera, or a car, or even a cooling system for your home. My guess is that your camera will be "replaced" sooner than that lens, unless perhaps you just bought a 70D, and even then it might still be the case. It's just a guess and YMMV of course.
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Re: Will there ever be a 24-105 mkII? or 24-120?
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2013, 11:03:37 AM »
Most of Canon's lenses get updated at some point.  Right now, all the tooling and development costs are paid, so Canon is including a very fine lens in kits and at a low cost.  We really don't need a new lens that is 2% better and twice the price.  There is the law of diminishing returns and that lens is still at a point where major improvements would be expensive.
 
If Canon can get some of their new DO technology in order so that it can be produced at a low cost, we may see lots of older models that can be made better, lighter,  and shorter, but the diameter is pretty well fixed.

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Re: Will there ever be a 24-105 mkII? or 24-120?
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2013, 01:04:44 PM »
Right now, all the tooling and development costs are paid, so Canon is including a very fine lens in kits and at a low cost.  We really don't need a new lens that is 2% better and twice the price. 
+1 ... my thoughts exactly.
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Re: Will there ever be a 24-105 mkII? or 24-120?
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2013, 01:07:05 PM »
I'm just going to wait for the Sigma f2 zoom. That'll be one sweet lens.
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Re: Will there ever be a 24-105 mkII? or 24-120?
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2013, 01:14:07 PM »
The 24-70 F4 doesn't really look "better" than the 24-105 judging by

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Lenses/Compare-Camera-Lenses/Compare-lenses/(lens1)/1074/(lens2)/164/(brand1)/Canon/(camera1)/836/(brand2)/Canon/(camera2)/836

Looking at sharpness : 24-105 is sharper at 50mm f/4, otherwise mostly equal, until f11 and above where 24-70 looks to have a slight edge. Of course the 24-105 is infinitely sharper at 71-105mm.

Other than that :
Transmission looks impressive on the 24-70
Distortion is lower.
Possibly better IS?
Closer min focus distance/macro mode.
Lighter.
Shorter.

And on 24-105 side:
71-105mm
Slightly lower CA.
Fractionally lower vignetting.
Cheaper.

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Re: Will there ever be a 24-105 mkII? or 24-120?
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2013, 10:42:04 PM »
Now while I would love to own many many lenses they all seem like they would be more of a specialized purpose. the 24-105 is the kind of lens that you expect to have if you only had one camera/lens combo, the kind you can take most pictures with, a perfect walkaround lens. So my paranoia is that they are going to replace it with the 24-70 F4.

Yeah the 24-70 f/4 IS is the replacement. It's better.

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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2013, 10:44:30 PM »
The 24-70 F4 doesn't really look "better" than the 24-105 judging by

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Lenses/Compare-Camera-Lenses/Compare-lenses/(lens1)/1074/(lens2)/164/(brand1)/Canon/(camera1)/836/(brand2)/Canon/(camera2)/836

Looking at sharpness : 24-105 is sharper at 50mm f/4, otherwise mostly equal, until f11 and above where 24-70 looks to have a slight edge. Of course the 24-105 is infinitely sharper at 71-105mm.

Other than that :
Transmission looks impressive on the 24-70
Distortion is lower.
Possibly better IS?
Closer min focus distance/macro mode.
Lighter.
Shorter.

And on 24-105 side:
71-105mm
Slightly lower CA.
Fractionally lower vignetting.
Cheaper.

24-70 f/4 IS does massively better at 24mm and it has less longitudinal CA so it doesn't get as much extreme nasty PF for fine branches against clouds and such (less lateral CA at 24mm too). It is also smaller and lighter and has some macro and better IS.

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Re: Will there ever be a 24-105 mkII? or 24-120?
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2013, 12:32:07 AM »
Most of Canon's lenses get updated at some point.  Right now, all the tooling and development costs are paid, so Canon is including a very fine lens in kits and at a low cost.  We really don't need a new lens that is 2% better and twice the price. 
+1

Even after updating to the 24-70II I've kept my 24-105 as a handy events lens. That means a 24-120 would be 15mm handier8)
But I'll bet it will be priced closer to $2k than the current sub-$1k price of the current lens.  :-\

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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2013, 12:32:07 AM »