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Do you have a 4K Television or monitor?

Yes, I already have at least one 4K display.
3 (3.3%)
No, but I plan on getting a 4K display in the next year.
18 (19.6%)
No, I will look into getting one when they become more mainstream.
54 (58.7%)
No, and I don't see any value in upping resolution above 1080p
17 (18.5%)

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Voting closed: January 14, 2014, 08:13:02 PM

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Do you have a 4K display?
« on: December 17, 2013, 08:13:02 PM »
I just want to get an idea of how widespread 4K displays are at the moment.

Do you think 4K video formats will become more widespread with the upcoming DSLR generation of bodies or do you think manufacturers may only include it in top of the line models (EOS 1Dc) or more dedicated video cameras (e.g. EOS C~ line).

Lastly, do you think the Canon EOS C~ line will formally expand into a product like for example EOS 7Dc?
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Do you have a 4K display?
« on: December 17, 2013, 08:13:02 PM »

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Re: Do you have a 4K display?
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2013, 10:52:09 PM »
If it sells cameras, it will come.  There is a lot of discussion about the visual benefits, but that's not relevant, profit is what drives new technology.

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Re: Do you have a 4K display?
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2013, 03:09:18 AM »
I actually think that cameras have in part driven 4K adoption. We've been seeing new 4K recording devices coming out of the woodwork this year. Even the Galaxy Note 3 can record 4K.
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Re: Do you have a 4K display?
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2013, 04:44:55 AM »
If I were to get married today I would insist on my ceremony being recorded in 4K resolution.

I am currently using a 3K resolution (2560x1440p) display to type this post and I look forward to picking up a 4K resolution display when computer displays drop below $1000. Ideally it be 31.5-inch or wider. The Sharp PN-K321 today sells for $3,299.

As for 4K UHDTVs I see myself picking one up when there is downloadable content is available in 4K or there is data storage format that supersedes 2K resolution Blu-ray Disc.

Another possible condition of my getting a 4K UHDTV is when Sony & Microsoft releases their "slim model" of the PS4 & Xbox One in say 4-6 years.

I am one of the few guys who arent really interested in getting a video console this soon. During the last video console wars I waited until the first price cut to get one. Reason being the 1st year of a video console's life the games tend to be half baked.
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Re: Do you have a 4K display?
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2013, 07:24:54 AM »
I remember someone once asked me a few years ago why I was recording all my videos in 1080, and I replied that technology was only going in one direction so while at that time broadband speeds were still quite slow, and 720 was more popular on the net, just a short time later and we are talking about 4K.

I agree with Dolina that if it were an important event like a wedding, I would, if possible like it to be recorded in 4K to future proof it as much as possible, but I think mainstream 4K will still take a while to catch up.

A lot has to do with the TV companies, some countries are faster than others to deliver full HD TV. I know that the Full HD TV channels I have look great on my big TV but the rest of the channels look bad.

I could even see myself skipping 4K and going for whatever is after it.
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Re: Do you have a 4K display?
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2013, 08:08:28 AM »
If I were to get married today I would insist on my ceremony being recorded in 4K resolution.

I am currently using a 3K resolution (2560x1440p) display to type this post and I look forward to picking up a 4K resolution display when computer displays drop below $1000. Ideally it be 31.5-inch or wider. The Sharp PN-K321 today sells for $3,299.

As for 4K UHDTVs I see myself picking one up when there is downloadable content is available in 4K or there is data storage format that supersedes 2K resolution Blu-ray Disc.

Another possible condition of my getting a 4K UHDTV is when Sony & Microsoft releases their "slim model" of the PS4 & Xbox One in say 4-6 years.

I am one of the few guys who arent really interested in getting a video console this soon. During the last video console wars I waited until the first price cut to get one. Reason being the 1st year of a video console's life the games tend to be half baked.

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Re: Do you have a 4K display?
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2013, 08:17:01 AM »
In terms of the practicality of working with such high resolution... 4K RAW is quite data intensive in terms of storage and read/write speed. The H.265 codec will hopefully be released soon and promises a useful improvement over H.264 which will help with reducing storage requirements for compressed UHDV, but compressed video is not as edit-friendly. Are there any new storage-media developments that will make working with uncompressed UHDV more tolerable? At the moment it seems very much like a PITA and pocket.  :-\
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Re: Do you have a 4K display?
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2013, 08:17:01 AM »

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Re: Do you have a 4K display?
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2013, 08:42:25 AM »
I prefer a full hd monitor with wide dynamic range and color reproduction. I do not want to spend $ 15,000 for a 4K monitor. That seems a real need for Hollywood filmmakers, or pixel peepers.

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Re: Do you have a 4K display?
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2013, 10:22:01 AM »
I limit myself to 4K resolution as 8K resolution is not that commercially available.

Similar to expatinasia I told my friends who were getting married within the past 10 years to request the video ppl to store there 1080p video to HDD instead of down converting it to DVD.

If it was economical I'd go with 35mm film instead and scan it into 8K resolution later.

The typical upgrade cycle of consumers for TVs is 7-8 years. I have a 2006 32-inch 720p HDTV so that makes me a prime candidate to replace it. But it still works.

Cable TV in the Philippines started offering 720p since 2009 through today so I do not see a purpose in upgrading to 4K resolution at the moment. Do not worry I also have a much newer 40-inch and 46-inch 1080p HDTV so we arent totally backwards here. ;)
I remember someone once asked me a few years ago why I was recording all my videos in 1080, and I replied that technology was only going in one direction so while at that time broadband speeds were still quite slow, and 720 was more popular on the net, just a short time later and we are talking about 4K.

I agree with Dolina that if it were an important event like a wedding, I would, if possible like it to be recorded in 4K to future proof it as much as possible, but I think mainstream 4K will still take a while to catch up.

A lot has to do with the TV companies, some countries are faster than others to deliver full HD TV. I know that the Full HD TV channels I have look great on my big TV but the rest of the channels look bad.

I expect 31.5-inch 8K resolution displays selling for below $1000 in 1-2 decades time.

I could even see myself skipping 4K and going for whatever is after it.


2014 sub-$1000 4K resolution displays are most probably using lower-end panels and I did mention that I want a display larger than 31.5-inch,correct? At the current ppi of the 27-inch iMac a 4K resolution display would need to be 46-inch wide.

I'm after quality. If i wasn't then Amazon is selling a 50-inch Seiki 4K resolution UHDTV for less than $770.

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Re: Do you have a 4K display?
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2013, 10:33:25 AM »
Hopefully by the time the "slim" Xbox One and PS4 comes out quality 4K resolution UHDTV will sell for under $2000. Maybe by then these "slim" updates will come with an optical disk drive that accept 4K resolution content.

Other than resolution the other motivation for me to upgrade would be the weight and power consumption. Power consumption is pretty much self explanatory as $/watt is always increasing and never decreasing but weight? It has been my dream to mount a display on the ceiling above my head. If the display is almost as light as an acoustic board then it is possible to do.

My dentist wanted to do that with his HDTV in his office so his patients can watch TV while he mucks around in their mouth but the contractor forbade it. :(
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Re: Do you have a 4K display?
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2013, 11:18:26 AM »
I don't do video, so I'm not concerned about capturing or displaying it in any particular resolution. And even though we have a couple of Blu-ray players in the house (for their web apps and DLNA capabilities), we don't own or rent any Blu-ray discs; the up-scaling of DVD content is more than good enough for us.

I may look into 4K displays for my digital darkroom work, if they've become more mainstream and affordable by the time I need to replace my current displays, if ever (they're all less than 2 years old). But in the meantime, my Dell Ultrasharp 1920x1200 displays are very much up to the task for the foreseeable future.
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2013, 11:26:42 AM »
No and don't plan to upgrade anytime soon.
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Re: Do you have a 4K display?
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2013, 02:33:51 PM »
I work for a very large US motion picture rental company which is global so lets talk 4K.

Canon, Sony, Red (they also have 5K), Black Magic make 4K cameras and will be joined by Phantom in the new year. The most popular camera in Hollywood is the Arri Alexa its a 3.5K camera that outputs 2K and most movies in theaters are 2K NOT 4K. The 4K cameras actually dont output 4K and most dont employ lossless compression but thats another story the real issue is a 4K TV to see 4K you need to sit considerably closer to the TV than 2K (1080P / i) for the same given size and the majority of broadcast content is NOT 4K but 2K even if shot on a 4K camera. In the pipeline are 8K cameras theoretically your would need to be even closer to the screen to get the benefit so is this a case of technology over common sense yes and no. A down sampled image would give cleaner images after compression from say 8K or 4K file after allowing for concantination through the broadcast pipeline for 2K but a pure 4K file will still require a closer viewing distance for a given screen size to get the benefit the same applies to a movie theatre. 
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Re: Do you have a 4K display?
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2013, 03:48:02 PM »
20/20 vision is by definition average. I'm a little better than that, but when I say that the difference between 1080p and 4K is blatantly obvious, I have confidence that it will be just as obvious for the average person reading this.

In 5-10 years when we start talking about 8K (hopefully sooner than later), it will be the same discussion all over again, and I will tell you that the difference between 4K and 8K, at the same distance you use your 1080p TV right now, will be blatantly obvious (as long as the content you're looking at is actually good quality).

Beyond 8K things will get a little fuzzy, but by my own measurements I could potentially use a 30" desktop monitor (3 foot viewing distance) with as high as 16,000x8,000 resolution before individual pixels start blending in with the inherent signal noise in my eyes.
I think 8K would be a good resolution for industry to stick at, with maybe the odd 64 or 128 Megapixel screen made for special people like me.

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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2013, 04:36:23 PM »
Another clarification should be made in the type of content being viewed. There are ideal situations for taking advantage of extra detail and not-so ideal situations. You will see extra detail best in high contrast still images. Oppositely low contrast video with lots of motion is sometimes so bad the whole thing almost looks washed over. That, it seems to me, is where you get people saying they can't see the benefit in higher resolutions. If you're looking at an image already devoid of detail then of course it's not going to look any better.
It may be that much of the content the average person looks at doesn't contain a whole lot of extra visual information, but that certainly doesn't mean that people have to get bigger TVs or sit closer to their screens in order to take advantage of extra detail when it is present.
I have also encountered people who can't see the difference due to sheer ignorance. One time I tried to point out all the jaggies on screen to a friend of mine. His response was that he didn't know what they are so it didn't bother him.

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