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« on: January 03, 2014, 01:22:05 PM »
Hello fellow Canon-owners,

After holding all Canon bodies in my hands at the store, I have settled for a Canon 70D. The fullframe ones were just too large for my small hands.
Now I’m looking to invest in some quality glass, and I could really use some help.


My budget is around €5000,- ($6800) for 5 lenses in total. Even though with this amount of money I could go FF, I still don’t like the body size! Lens discussion only please :)

Lens 1:
A prime between 45-100mm with a maximum aperture of 2.8 (so 1.8, 1.4 and so on are fine too!)
I can work with the 50mm, but also the 85 and so on, so I just need 1 that is the best.

Lens 2:
A mid-range zoom with a maximum aperture of 2.8 (so 1.8, 1.4 and so on are fine too!)
Everything below 20mm to above 40mm is fine.

Lens 3:
A decent lens for macro between 85 and 100mm. I don’t have a preference for the aperture here.

Lens 4:
I have the 18-135, but I don’t find that sharp enough. I do like the zoom range though. Is there anything that comes close to the range, but sharper?

Lens 5:
A zoom that goes beyond 250/300mm. If that is achieved by a teleconverter that is fine by me, if that gives me better results.


Just a few notes:
- I don’t mind used lenses. If a great piece of glass is discontinued I’m more than happy to search the internet.
- Stabilized lenses don’t matter to me, I have steady hands.
- Autofocus is nice, but manual focus lenses are also welcome.
- I’m not a brand-whore. So I don’t care if the lenses are from Canon or a third party like Carl Zeiss. As long as the quality is good.

Some extra info:

With my current lenses I do this:

50mm 1.8: portraits, but also some macro. However I find that for macro it's too short in focal length.

18-135: I use this pretty much all of the time. But with the 70D the quality is bad to be honest.

70-300: I use this at festivals and at the zoo. I'm often at 250/300mm.

Before this I had a Canon 550D, so I already know how to work with them. With the new ones I just like to improve the sharpness of my shots and make use off all the 20 megapixels in the camera. So it is not like I just want to burn some cash, I think I really need those 5 lenses.
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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2014, 02:44:15 PM »
Are you serious?  $6800 in lenses for a 70D?  You need to balance the quality of the body with the type of lenses.  I'd not spend $6800 on lenses for a consumer grade crop body.
 
The 70D is a good body, but keep things in balance.  Do get some good lighting and software.  Light is the essence of photography.
You should be able to do very well buying reasonable lenses for a 70D for considerably less.
 
A 10-22mm ef-s, a 17-55mm ef-s would be a good start.  If you want telephoto, consider a 70-300mm L.

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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2014, 03:04:35 PM »
Lens discussion only please

Well, I would have done so…but then, you stated:

I have the 18-135, but I don’t find that sharp enough….

With the new ones I just like to improve the sharpness of my shots and make use off all the 20 megapixels in the camera.

For the same size output, you need to enlarge the image from an APS-C image much more, and you pay the price for that extra enlargement in reduced sharpness. 

If you really want to make the most of all the megapixels in your camera, get a FF body.  The 6D isn't much bigger than the 70D.

I agree with Mt. Spokane that a 17-55/2.8, and 70-300L (or 100-400L if you want more than 300mm) will work well on the 70D.  Add a 100L Macro and you'd be pretty much set

But a 6D + 24-70/2.8L II will blow away the 70D plus any f/2.8 zoom or fast prime for IQ.  Get the 100L Macro, the 70-30L or 100-400L, and if you like 85mm on APS-C, get the 135/2L for FF.  Done.
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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2014, 03:26:19 PM »
Restricting to lens only suggestions.

1: 50 f1.2, $1,450, it will get the high end kick out of your system and be markedly different from your 1.8, the 85 is too close to the best macro choice, the 100.

2: 17-55 f2.8, $779, great lens.

3: 100L IS Macro, $1,000, but recently on sale for as low as $720.

4: 70-300L ($1,600) and a 1.4TC ($429) for when you really do want a touch more. For compatibility see here. Or the 100-400 ($1,560) but it could well be upgraded this year, hah hah, just like every year for the last eternity!.

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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2014, 04:50:46 PM »

4: 70-300L ($1,600) and a 1.4TC ($429) for when you really do want a touch more. For compatibility see here. Or the 100-400 ($1,560) but it could well be upgraded this year, hah hah, just like every year for the last eternity!.

I think that was Lens 5 the OP asked for :). (Edit: or it was added later)

For lens 4, you could consider the EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM, but I'm not sure you really want both the 17-55 and the 15-85. If you have the current 18-135, the difference in sharpness might be less than visible in most shots.
I'd decide on one of the three and spend the rest of the money on something else (tripod, lighting, filters, travel, dining, drinks, theater, museums etc)
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2014, 01:36:05 AM »
Are you serious?  $6800 in lenses for a 70D?  You need to balance the quality of the body with the type of lenses.  I'd not spend $6800 on lenses for a consumer grade crop body.
 

Yes, he's serious and he's making sense too.  Good lenses are going to last him ten years, or more, if he's careful with them.  The body - any body - will be old news in three. Even the latest 5D won't look good three-four years down the line. Not in the hands of someone that can burn $7K on lenses just like that anyway.

Do get some good lighting and software.  Light is the essence of photography.

+1 on this, I couldn't agree more.

You should be able to do very well buying reasonable lenses for a 70D for considerably less.
 
A 10-22mm ef-s, a 17-55mm ef-s would be a good start.  If you want telephoto, consider a 70-300mm L.

Again, I don't agree with this. He is not buying the lenses _for_ the 70D.  He is buying lenses.  The 70D is the body he'll be using until he feels that it's not adequate any more.
While the 17-55 is a good lens, I would recommend the 24-70 f/2.8 II since you offer the 10-22 to cover the wide end (and there is room in the budget).  Not only does the 24-70 offer better IQ, but if (when) the OP switches to full frame, he will not have to buy new lenses.

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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2014, 02:37:11 AM »
Are you serious? $6800 in lenses for a 70D?  You need to balance the quality of the body with the type of lenses.  I'd not spend $6800 on lenses for a consumer grade crop body.
 
The 70D is a good body, but keep things in balance.  Do get some good lighting and software.  Light is the essence of photography.
You should be able to do very well buying reasonable lenses for a 70D for considerably less.
 
A 10-22mm ef-s, a 17-55mm ef-s would be a good start.  If you want telephoto, consider a 70-300mm L.

+1....a bit unbalance. It's true that lens is more important than body. However, with $6800 I would start with FF and some L lenses.
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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2014, 08:59:45 AM »
1) I think your 50/1.8 is good enough. If you're after large apertures, get either the 50 or the 85 1.2 L. The 85 is a better lens, but it might be slightly long on a crop sensor.

2) The Tamron 17-50/2.8 is a decent performer at a bargain price (300€). If you want image stabilization and faster focus, i would suggest the Canon 17-55/2.8 IS USM.

3) The Canon 100/2.8 Macro USM is a good lens at a fair price (around 500€). The 100 Macro L IS features a stabilizer, weather sealing and rounded aperture blades for 800€ (with 100€ rebate in Italy, check your local Canon site). For double that price you can get the Zeiss 100/2 Makro Planar.

4) I'm afraid there is nothing similar for crop sensor. The 24-105/4 is slightly better, but its wide end it's not that wide on crop cameras.

5) You already have the 70-300. If you want a longer zoom, the 100-400 is your only choice. If you want bigger apertures, you must blow your entire budget on a big white prime, like the 300/2.8.
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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2014, 10:31:03 AM »
Seriously.... I dont get it.

Anyways, glass will last, bodies will not.

At that price Id go solely for premium glass like Zeiss. The Zeiss Otus 55 1.4 is probably the best dslr lens around now and most likely worth the price if you know what you are doing.

Apart from that check out dxomark and see his reco for the 7D.

But hey... Dont get the 7D, its not that great anymore. Sony cams are worth checking out too. And Samsung are about to release a dslr s well. Dont fall blind to the Canon hype. If I was choosing today I wouldnt go directly to Canon.
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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2014, 10:31:53 AM »
Dispose the D70 idea and get a FF 6D or 5D3. If size the matter get a 40 STM, however I don't think body size will be a big issue with the lenses in consideration as most of the weight and bulk will be from the lenses not the body itself.
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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2014, 11:45:47 AM »
Hello fellow Canon-owners,

After holding all Canon bodies in my hands at the store, I have settled for a Canon 70D. The fullframe ones were just too large for my small hands.
Now I’m looking to invest in some quality glass, and I could really use some help.


My budget is around €5000,- ($6800) for 5 lenses in total. Even though with this amount of money I could go FF, I still don’t like the body size! Lens discussion only please :)

Lens 1:
A prime between 45-100mm with a maximum aperture of 2.8 (so 1.8, 1.4 and so on are fine too!)
I can work with the 50mm, but also the 85 and so on, so I just need 1 that is the best.

Lens 2:
A mid-range zoom with a maximum aperture of 2.8 (so 1.8, 1.4 and so on are fine too!)
Everything below 20mm to above 40mm is fine.

Lens 3:
A decent lens for macro between 85 and 100mm. I don’t have a preference for the aperture here.

Lens 4:
I have the 18-135, but I don’t find that sharp enough. I do like the zoom range though. Is there anything that comes close to the range, but sharper?

Lens 5:
A zoom that goes beyond 250/300mm. If that is achieved by a teleconverter that is fine by me, if that gives me better results.


Just a few notes:
- I don’t mind used lenses. If a great piece of glass is discontinued I’m more than happy to search the internet.
- Stabilized lenses don’t matter to me, I have steady hands.
- Autofocus is nice, but manual focus lenses are also welcome.
- I’m not a brand-whore. So I don’t care if the lenses are from Canon or a third party like Carl Zeiss. As long as the quality is good.

Some extra info:

With my current lenses I do this:

50mm 1.8: portraits, but also some macro. However I find that for macro it's too short in focal length.

18-135: I use this pretty much all of the time. But with the 70D the quality is bad to be honest.

70-300: I use this at festivals and at the zoo. I'm often at 250/300mm.

Before this I had a Canon 550D, so I already know how to work with them. With the new ones I just like to improve the sharpness of my shots and make use off all the 20 megapixels in the camera. So it is not like I just want to burn some cash, I think I really need those 5 lenses.

I say sell the 70D. With the 5000 EUR get the 1DX. With the proceeds from the sale of the 70D and a few hundred more EUR get the 24-70 f2.8 II and you've got yourself an awesome combo!
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2014, 11:54:19 AM »
Ok, the 6D would have been small. But as for lenses for crop:

1) 17-55 IS USM - When it comes to standard zooms for crop, this one is what you want.
2) 100L - Absolutely nothing wrong with this lens. You get both close-up shots and standard 100mm (160mm) shots. The focusing speed isn't for sports, but you don't buy the lens for that purpose.

That would be around 2k spent in Europe.

3) Fast primes
4) Wide angle
5) Tele

Which ever you need the most... 3k gets you somewhere. I would get a 35mm + 85mm combo for FF. Maybe the same for crop too.
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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2014, 12:07:11 PM »
Hello fellow Canon-owners,

After holding all Canon bodies in my hands at the store, I have settled for a Canon 70D. The fullframe ones were just too large for my small hands.
Now I’m looking to invest in some quality glass, and I could really use some help.


My budget is around €5000,- ($6800) for 5 lenses in total. Even though with this amount of money I could go FF, I still don’t like the body size! Lens discussion only please :)

Lens 1:
A prime between 45-100mm with a maximum aperture of 2.8 (so 1.8, 1.4 and so on are fine too!)
I can work with the 50mm, but also the 85 and so on, so I just need 1 that is the best.

Lens 2:
A mid-range zoom with a maximum aperture of 2.8 (so 1.8, 1.4 and so on are fine too!)
Everything below 20mm to above 40mm is fine.

Lens 3:
A decent lens for macro between 85 and 100mm. I don’t have a preference for the aperture here.

Lens 4:
I have the 18-135, but I don’t find that sharp enough. I do like the zoom range though. Is there anything that comes close to the range, but sharper?

Lens 5:
A zoom that goes beyond 250/300mm. If that is achieved by a teleconverter that is fine by me, if that gives me better results.


Just a few notes:
- I don’t mind used lenses. If a great piece of glass is discontinued I’m more than happy to search the internet.
- Stabilized lenses don’t matter to me, I have steady hands.
- Autofocus is nice, but manual focus lenses are also welcome.
- I’m not a brand-whore. So I don’t care if the lenses are from Canon or a third party like Carl Zeiss. As long as the quality is good.

Some extra info:

With my current lenses I do this:

50mm 1.8: portraits, but also some macro. However I find that for macro it's too short in focal length.

18-135: I use this pretty much all of the time. But with the 70D the quality is bad to be honest.

70-300: I use this at festivals and at the zoo. I'm often at 250/300mm.

Before this I had a Canon 550D, so I already know how to work with them. With the new ones I just like to improve the sharpness of my shots and make use off all the 20 megapixels in the camera. So it is not like I just want to burn some cash, I think I really need those 5 lenses.

I say sell the 70D. With the 5000 EUR get the 1DX. With the proceeds from the sale of the 70D and a few hundred more EUR get the 24-70 f2.8 II and you've got yourself an awesome combo!

I am not sure the 1DX would be the best choice, considering the OP stated he wanted a small body and the 1DX can hardly be considered small! For me, the 6D would be a better choice; it is significantly smaller and lighter and have similar picture quality (though not equal). Moreover, the main benefit of the 1DX don't seems to be very important for the OP; he mentioned he didn't mind MF lens, so the much better AF might not be so useful for him. Also, he never mentioned the importance of weather sealing or burst speed.

For the macro lens, I can say that the 100L is just about as good as it gets. If you want something cheaper, which doesn't seems to be the case, the Tamron 90mm f/2.8 VC seems to be a very nice substitute for the more expensive but slightly better 100L.

In a more personal note, I have that being in the OP situation, I wouldn't rush and buy 4-5 lens at the same time. I personally prefer buying one lens at a time; that way, I can see what type of lens I am missing and what shoot I can't take because of it. Starting with minimal gear not only helps you master what you have and becoming better with it, but it also helps you differencing what you WANT from what you NEED. This, however, is just my point of view.
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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2014, 04:39:23 PM »
too many choices eh?
save some of that to travel, or better yet, rent a few combos before the plunge.
What kind of photography you want to do? that's the most important question to yourself.
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Travel set - FF body like the 6D plus 24-70 mk2, 70-200 mk1 is, and maybe the rokinon 14mm
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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2014, 06:01:51 PM »
Hello fellow Canon-owners,

Lens 1:
A prime between 45-100mm with a maximum aperture of 2.8 (so 1.8, 1.4 and so on are fine too!)
I can work with the 50mm, but also the 85 and so on, so I just need 1 that is the best.

Lens 2:
A mid-range zoom with a maximum aperture of 2.8 (so 1.8, 1.4 and so on are fine too!)
Everything below 20mm to above 40mm is fine.

Lens 3:
A decent lens for macro between 85 and 100mm. I don’t have a preference for the aperture here.

Lens 4:
I have the 18-135, but I don’t find that sharp enough. I do like the zoom range though. Is there anything that comes close to the range, but sharper?

Lens 5:
A zoom that goes beyond 250/300mm. If that is achieved by a teleconverter that is fine by me, if that gives me better results.


1. EF 50 1.4 
2. EFS 17-55
3. EF 100L Macro
4. EF 70-200L mk II
5.0. 1.4 teleconverter III
5.5. 2.0 teleconverter III

I don't know of a 18-135 alternative.


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Re: New lenses ($6800 budget)
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2014, 06:01:51 PM »