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Re: Patent: Canon 11-24mm f/4 Lens
« Reply #60 on: January 26, 2014, 10:37:21 AM »
The FF lens that Canon really needs to equal or best is the 14-24 f2.8. An 11-24 f4, is not, in my opinion, it.

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Re: Patent: Canon 11-24mm f/4 Lens
« Reply #60 on: January 26, 2014, 10:37:21 AM »

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Re: Patent: Canon 11-24mm f/4 Lens
« Reply #61 on: January 26, 2014, 11:43:56 AM »
The FF lens that Canon really needs to equal or best is the 14-24 f2.8. An 11-24 f4, is not, in my opinion, it.

That is solely YOUR opinion.

Of course, I am the only person I can and want to speak for. Having said that I am one of the very few posters here that ever constrains their input by saying " personally" or " in my opinion" I even did it several times in this thread, do you?
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Re: Patent: Canon 11-24mm f/4 Lens
« Reply #62 on: January 26, 2014, 12:16:45 PM »
If they released this, it would be the ultimate landscape zoom assuming the optics are good...

A perfect fit between the more effect-driven 8-15mm f/4 fisheye and the event-oriented 16-35mm f/2.8...

Hope this one comes out!  Given Canon's current lineup, it makes more sense than a 14-24 f/2.8.

Why does everyone assume a wide angle is perfect for landscape?

FWIW, I've watched professionals use the 16-35 when shooting models...

Because land is bigger than models...........

11mm might be a bit wide for most fashion work..
24~28mm works great..

If you like landscape portraiture then ---how ya gonna do that without a landscape lens?  I love my 24mm, but, there are times wen you want wider than that.

"A perfect fit between the more effect-driven 8-15mm f/4 fisheye and the event-oriented 16-35mm f/2.8..."

what about the 14mmm prime???? Wider than the 16-35, less distortion, better IQ than the 8-15mm...it's a lens on my list to check out for sure!!!!
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Re: Patent: Canon 11-24mm f/4 Lens
« Reply #63 on: January 26, 2014, 12:41:11 PM »
Many, many, Nikon users use the 12-24 f2.8 as a general purpose ultra wide zoom, I don't see that Canon users, who have gotten so used to lackluster ultrawide zooms of mediocre performance and length, should be unable to utilize a single millimeter of extra width below our Nikon cousins.

Seriously? Perhaps you can provide some solid proof that many Nikon users used the 14-24 as a general purose zoom lens.

I once saw the photos by an amateur wedding photographer who shot an entire wedding with his ultrawide lens (in this case, the Canon EF-S 10-22 or 16-35 lens in 35 mm equivalent) cos that was all he had. I can tell you many of the photos were bad, really really bad... perspective distortion is simply awful.

Well I used to work with two, but if you want internet proof then go look at Joe McNally's site and see some of the amazing work, including portraits, he has put out with his 14-24.
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Re: Patent: Canon 11-24mm f/4 Lens
« Reply #64 on: January 26, 2014, 01:02:17 PM »
F4 sucks, well it does for me personally. Sure I use the 17 TS-E, an f4, a lot, but it is specialised and no real issue as an f4. As a general purpose ultrawide upgrade to the 16-35 f2.8 the focal length is very interesting, but f4 kills it for too many situations. Iso performance does not replace aperture, neither does IS, I want all three.

I don't see 11-24mm focal length as "general purpose ultrawide".  24mm is as long as you can go, and that focal length is not general purpose due to the noticable distortion.   11-24mm is pretty much a landscape ultrawide, because the distortion can actually enhance the look of landscape photos (unlike people photos).  So again, I think f/4 works for this focal length because you will likely do as good or more likely better than a faster lens stopped down and that is where you will be 99% of the time with this focal length.  If you want a lens for the 1% where you want some special effect ultrawide w/ crazy bokeh, the existing 24mm f/1.4L II would be better anyway than an f/2.8 lens.

16-35mm, that I can see as "general purpose ultrawide" because 35mm very much can do general purpose without the very obvious distortion that 24mm has.  And we already have that at f/2.8...  I can see wanting a general purpose improvement to the 16-35 ii, but I think that should be in a 16-35 iii, not a 11-24...

For me it's not about bokeh re: max aperature.  I use my ultra wides for a few things.. landscapes, portraits, wedding ceremonies and wedding receptions.

It's that last one that makes me want it at 2.8.

uggg...the 16-35...its a lens i used to love to pieces, then i bought the 24 and I find that the 16-35 really only comes out if i want to go wider than 24 (small venue/big group shot).  I never really liked the look of the 16-24 from maybe 20ish-35mm - so the 24mm has become my general purpose wide angle.  I am considering replacing my 16-35 with a 14mm prime - but - if something like the 14-24 or 12-24...came along...hmmmmmm...maybe this is just one of those areas i need to make the trade off



Only issue with this specific lens it that it fills a few of my needs...but I'd still need to have the 16-35 on hand for low light....
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Re: Patent: Canon 11-24mm f/4 Lens
« Reply #65 on: January 27, 2014, 02:26:48 AM »
F4 sucks, well it does for me personally. Sure I use the 17 TS-E, an f4, a lot, but it is specialised and no real issue as an f4. As a general purpose ultrawide upgrade to the 16-35 f2.8 the focal length is very interesting, but f4 kills it for too many situations. Iso performance does not replace aperture, neither does IS, I want all three.

If you need the wide aperture for boke, certainly. I would still like to see a 14-24 f/2.8 L from Canon at some point in the future. Especially if it can top Nikon's IQ corner to corner.
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Re: Patent: Canon 11-24mm f/4 Lens
« Reply #66 on: January 27, 2014, 03:55:49 AM »
Of course, I am the only person I can and want to speak for. Having said that I am one of the very few posters here that ever constrains their input by saying " personally" or " in my opinion" I even did it several times in this thread, do you?

I don't have to because I conform to what's available in the market. :) If you are the sole voice in a million with strange requirements, then, it should hardly surprise you that your demands are totally ignored.

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Re: Patent: Canon 11-24mm f/4 Lens
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Re: Patent: Canon 11-24mm f/4 Lens
« Reply #67 on: January 27, 2014, 04:00:25 AM »
Well I used to work with two, but if you want internet proof then go look at Joe McNally's site and see some of the amazing work, including portraits, he has put out with his 14-24.

That's a good one 'cos there's no EXIF info to help one determine what lens was used for each shot. :)

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Re: Patent: Canon 11-24mm f/4 Lens
« Reply #68 on: January 27, 2014, 09:23:36 AM »

If you like landscape portraiture then ---how ya gonna do that without a landscape lens?  I love my 24mm, but, there are times wen you want wider than that.

"A perfect fit between the more effect-driven 8-15mm f/4 fisheye and the event-oriented 16-35mm f/2.8..."

what about the 14mmm prime???? Wider than the 16-35, less distortion, better IQ than the 8-15mm...it's a lens on my list to check out for sure!!!!

Landscape portraiture?

*shakes head*

The amount of single mindedness about lenses and roles in these forums is deeply disturbing.

Or rather it probably reflects how little photography people do...

I believe a better description from Chuck would have been "environmental portraits", where the environment adds context to the image. (e.g. Model reading a book under a large tree.) If the scale of the environment adds context to an image why not shoot with a wide angle lens from a reasonable distance.
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Re: Patent: Canon 11-24mm f/4 Lens
« Reply #69 on: January 27, 2014, 12:11:06 PM »
This would be an excellent lens for the landscape photographer, if its optics are good. I enjoy using the Sigma 8-16mm on APS-C. Canon has to beat its big brother, Sigma 12-24mm, in optical quality. Maybe Canon will wise up and sell us a filter adapter system or plan ahead, contact a manufacture of filters/adapters, and give them the lead time to develop the adapter in time to be launched simultaneously with the lens.

In other news, Samyang Europe has just announced a filter holder for its 14mm lens. Cokin makes the matching filter size, which is a bit odd. So far there is a solid ND 0.9 and a grad ND 0.6 - unclear if the grad is "soft" or "hard", hopefully soft because one has to deal with distortion.

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Re: Patent: Canon 11-24mm f/4 Lens
« Reply #70 on: January 27, 2014, 12:19:38 PM »
This would be an excellent lens for the landscape photographer, if its optics are good. I enjoy using the Sigma 8-16mm on APS-C. Canon has to beat its big brother, Sigma 12-24mm, in optical quality. Maybe Canon will wise up and sell us a filter adapter system or plan ahead, contact a manufacture of filters/adapters, and give them the lead time to develop the adapter in time to be launched simultaneously with the lens.

In other news, Samyang Europe has just announced a filter holder for its 14mm lens. Cokin makes the matching filter size, which is a bit odd. So far there is a solid ND 0.9 and a grad ND 0.6 - unclear if the grad is "soft" or "hard", hopefully soft because one has to deal with distortion.
I owned the Sigma 12-24 II and LOVED the ultra-wide angle FOV at 12mm.  I didn't use it enough to justify keeping it around, and it was really only useable at f/11, so I sold it to fund my 300 f/2.8.  If Canon can build an 11-24 with great IQ, I'd be first in line to buy it.  Why anyone would care about f/2.8 at this focal length is just odd (for any use other than astrophotography).  If you want bokeh at 24mm, buy the f/1.4.  At shorter focal lengths, f/2.8 would only add weight, cost, and compromise IQ.
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Re: Patent: Canon 11-24mm f/4 Lens
« Reply #71 on: January 28, 2014, 06:46:04 AM »
If they released this, it would be the ultimate landscape zoom assuming the optics are good...

A perfect fit between the more effect-driven 8-15mm f/4 fisheye and the event-oriented 16-35mm f/2.8...

Hope this one comes out!  Given Canon's current lineup, it makes more sense than a 14-24 f/2.8.

Why does everyone assume a wide angle is perfect for landscape?

FWIW, I've watched professionals use the 16-35 when shooting models...

Because land is bigger than models...........

11mm might be a bit wide for most fashion work..
24~28mm works great..

If you like landscape portraiture then ---how ya gonna do that without a landscape lens?  I love my 24mm, but, there are times wen you want wider than that.

"A perfect fit between the more effect-driven 8-15mm f/4 fisheye and the event-oriented 16-35mm f/2.8..."

what about the 14mmm prime???? Wider than the 16-35, less distortion, better IQ than the 8-15mm...it's a lens on my list to check out for sure!!!!

I find it very amusing to hear that the 14mm has less distortion...on a wide lens there is no such thing. A fish eye has no distortion...if you shoot a circulr object to the edge of the frame....it stays circular, but straight lines become curved. With a rectilinear corrected wide lens, stright lines remain straight but circles to the edge of the frame become distorted and heavily egg shaped....so no good for portraits or group shots.
Various wide lenses correct straight lines to various degrees. But there is always distortion present depending on the subject's shape and where it is in the frame.
The 16-35IIL walks an interesting path half way between fully corrected rectilinear and uncorrected (fish eye type of distortion). This allows a medium degree of correction, which can be pushed further in Post Production very easily. A fully corrected recilinear lens is quite rare and not particularly versatile...a 14mm and Sigma 12-24mm comes to mind. They pretty much become architecture and landscape lenses and not great outside of those genres. Where as a 16-35IIL is far more versatile and less extream correction. At the other end of the scale is a 8-15mm L fish eye zoom which is completely uncorrected and not very versatile either.
I don't see that a 12-24 /11-24 / 14L / 14-24mm lens as a replacement to a 16-35IIL. No it compliments but doesn't replace. I have never found a single ultra wide lens which "does it all". I currently have four and I can't see that this will ever change. Sigma 12-24mm, TS-e 17L, 16-35IIL and 8-15L fisheye. Guess which one gets used the most and offeres me the best display of portfolio grade photographs?
If this new Canon does get released....I'll be swapping out my Sigma for it, but keeping the other three lenses.
If I look at my lens arsenal, I have a lot of lenses which cover the 24-35mm range. Not all lenses perform the same with the same look for their focal lengths

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Re: Patent: Canon 11-24mm f/4 Lens
« Reply #72 on: January 30, 2014, 03:01:06 PM »

If you like landscape portraiture then ---how ya gonna do that without a landscape lens?  I love my 24mm, but, there are times wen you want wider than that.

"A perfect fit between the more effect-driven 8-15mm f/4 fisheye and the event-oriented 16-35mm f/2.8..."

what about the 14mmm prime???? Wider than the 16-35, less distortion, better IQ than the 8-15mm...it's a lens on my list to check out for sure!!!!

Landscape portraiture?

*shakes head*

The amount of single mindedness about lenses and roles in these forums is deeply disturbing.

Or rather it probably reflects how little photography people do...

I believe a better description from Chuck would have been "environmental portraits", where the environment adds context to the image. (e.g. Model reading a book under a large tree.) If the scale of the environment adds context to an image why not shoot with a wide angle lens from a reasonable distance.

TY...yeah, that is a better way of saying it.  Just saying really that there are lots of ways to use an ultra wide.  They aren't easy to use due to distortion, but when you nail the right angle, they can be quite awesome!
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Re: Patent: Canon 11-24mm f/4 Lens
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