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Re: Is the canon eos-m a dead end system?
« Reply #90 on: March 02, 2014, 05:25:51 AM »
The extremly narrow EF-M lens-lineup could be overcome by a nice published road-map (like other makers who act much mor customer-friendly than arrogant CaNikon) and even more so by means of the existing EF-/EF-M adapter, IF AF-performance would still be "decent enough" with existing EF/EF-S lenses mounted via that adapter. Unfortunately this is not the case with the current EOS-M and for all I have read so far, neither with the M2.

WTF?
this shows you dont own the camera let alone have ever used it
I have no problems with the EOS-M using EF lenses via the adapter
i use the 16-35 or the 135L the most and AF is reasonable and accurate with both lenses
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All a matter of expectations I guess. If you are happy with this kind of AF-"performance"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBHhEEu7YuU
... I am not. :-)

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« Reply #91 on: March 02, 2014, 07:23:33 AM »
All a matter of expectations I guess. If you are happy with this kind of AF-"performance"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBHhEEu7YuU
... I am not. :-)

That 'demo' was prior to the v2 firmware that more that doubled the AF speed.  Given your evident bias, I'm sure that doesn't matter to you.

Based on my admittedly limited testing, the M focuses faster than the a7R.  So in that regard, witness that the 'imperfect' Sony FF mirrorless is even more imperfect than the EOS M.
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Re: Is the canon eos-m a dead end system?
« Reply #92 on: March 02, 2014, 10:22:43 AM »
Based on my admittedly limited testing, the M focuses faster than the a7R.  So in that regard, witness that the 'imperfect' Sony FF mirrorless is even more imperfect than the EOS M.
You probably tested a defective a7R ... the auto focus speed of EOS-M (even after its firmware update) is by far one of the most primitive among the mirrorless cameras (assuming there are any other ones that are as slow as the EOS-M) .... the a7R with a metabones adapater on certain EF lenses is just as fast as the EOS-M (after its firmware update).
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Re: Is the canon eos-m a dead end system?
« Reply #93 on: March 02, 2014, 11:28:54 AM »
Based on my admittedly limited testing, the M focuses faster than the a7R.  So in that regard, witness that the 'imperfect' Sony FF mirrorless is even more imperfect than the EOS M.
You probably tested a defective a7R ... the auto focus speed of EOS-M (even after its firmware update) is by far one of the most primitive among the mirrorless cameras (assuming there are any other ones that are as slow as the EOS-M) .... the a7R with a metabones adapater on certain EF lenses is just as fast as the EOS-M (after its firmware update).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwZDStFUixQ

So, you're saying that the a7R with a Canon lens mounted via an adapter is just as fast as what you describe as 'AF speed that's the most primitive among mirrorless cameras'...and somehow that's fine for the a7R but the M is too slow?

I'm sure the a7R is a lot faster with the wide variety of native lenses currently available.  ::)
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Re: Is the canon eos-m a dead end system?
« Reply #94 on: March 02, 2014, 11:54:13 AM »
Based on my admittedly limited testing, the M focuses faster than the a7R.  So in that regard, witness that the 'imperfect' Sony FF mirrorless is even more imperfect than the EOS M.
You probably tested a defective a7R ... the auto focus speed of EOS-M (even after its firmware update) is by far one of the most primitive among the mirrorless cameras (assuming there are any other ones that are as slow as the EOS-M) .... the a7R with a metabones adapater on certain EF lenses is just as fast as the EOS-M (after its firmware update).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwZDStFUixQ

So, you're saying that the a7R with a Canon lens mounted via an adapter is just as fast as what you describe as 'AF speed that's the most primitive among mirrorless cameras'...and somehow that's fine for the a7R but the M is too slow?

No!

I'm sure the a7R is a lot faster with the wide variety of native lenses currently available.  ::)
Yes! the a7R is a lot more faster, with its 4 native FE lenses, as opposed to the the only 2 native EF-M lenses for EOS-M (available for purchase in your part of the world). Even with a third party adapter, manually focusing with focus peaking, the a7/R is far more faster than the EOS-M with its native lenses.
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Re: Is the canon eos-m a dead end system?
« Reply #95 on: March 02, 2014, 11:59:43 AM »
Based on my admittedly limited testing, the M focuses faster than the a7R.  So in that regard, witness that the 'imperfect' Sony FF mirrorless is even more imperfect than the EOS M.
You probably tested a defective a7R ... the auto focus speed of EOS-M (even after its firmware update) is by far one of the most primitive among the mirrorless cameras (assuming there are any other ones that are as slow as the EOS-M) .... the a7R with a metabones adapater on certain EF lenses is just as fast as the EOS-M (after its firmware update).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwZDStFUixQ

So, you're saying that the a7R with a Canon lens mounted via an adapter is just as fast as what you describe as 'AF speed that's the most primitive among mirrorless cameras'...and somehow that's fine for the a7R but the M is too slow?

No!

Well, actually that's exactly what you said.  Maybe it wasn't what you meant, though...   ;)
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Re: Is the canon eos-m a dead end system?
« Reply #96 on: March 02, 2014, 12:08:18 PM »
Based on my admittedly limited testing, the M focuses faster than the a7R.  So in that regard, witness that the 'imperfect' Sony FF mirrorless is even more imperfect than the EOS M.
You probably tested a defective a7R ... the auto focus speed of EOS-M (even after its firmware update) is by far one of the most primitive among the mirrorless cameras (assuming there are any other ones that are as slow as the EOS-M) .... the a7R with a metabones adapater on certain EF lenses is just as fast as the EOS-M (after its firmware update).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwZDStFUixQ

So, you're saying that the a7R with a Canon lens mounted via an adapter is just as fast as what you describe as 'AF speed that's the most primitive among mirrorless cameras'...and somehow that's fine for the a7R but the M is too slow?

No!

Well, actually that's exactly what you said.  Maybe it wasn't what you meant, though...   ;)
No, what I posted and what you are thinking are two different things ;)
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Re: Is the canon eos-m a dead end system?
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« Reply #97 on: March 02, 2014, 12:17:53 PM »
I'm sure the a7R is a lot faster with the wide variety of native lenses currently available.  ::)

yes it is. And given your level of technical understanding, I am sure you appreciate this, as you are undoubtedly aware of the technical challenges involved to achieve similar AF-speed with FF-lenses/FF-sensors compared to much smaller sensors. 

And ... looking at APS-mirrorless cameras, Sony A6000 and Fujifilm XT-1 show "very decent" AF-performance, including tracking-capability. Canon EOS-M? not at all. EOS-M2? neither.

And ... only 3 months after launch, 4 native lenses are currently available for Sony A7/7R

And ... 18 months after launch of the EOS-M? 3 native EF-M lenses ... only 2 for the US

And ... Sony has a roadmap showing which 15 native lenses will be available until 2015 and up to now they been delivering. Wouldn't it be nice to see such a roadmap for Canon EF-M lenses too?

And ... until then, the Canon EOS-M/EF-M is a rather "dead end".

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« Reply #98 on: March 02, 2014, 12:51:07 PM »
I'm sure the a7R is a lot faster with the wide variety of native lenses currently available.  ::)

yes it is. And given your level of technical understanding, I am sure you appreciate this, as you are undoubtedly aware of the technical challenges involved to achieve similar AF-speed with FF-lenses/FF-sensors compared to much smaller sensors. 

And ... looking at APS-mirrorless cameras, Sony A6000 and Fujifilm XT-1 show "very decent" AF-performance, including tracking-capability. Canon EOS-M? not at all. EOS-M2? neither.

And ... only 3 months after launch, 4 native lenses are currently available for Sony A7/7R

And ... 18 months after launch of the EOS-M? 3 native EF-M lenses ... only 2 for the US

And ... Sony has a roadmap showing which 15 native lenses will be available until 2015 and up to now they been delivering. Wouldn't it be nice to see such a roadmap for Canon EF-M lenses too?

And ... until then, the Canon EOS-M/EF-M is a rather "dead end".
Sony needs to release uwa asap for a7 system. ...otherwise, it could be "dead end" as eos-m.
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Re: Is the canon eos-m a dead end system?
« Reply #99 on: March 02, 2014, 12:59:10 PM »
I'm sure the a7R is a lot faster with the wide variety of native lenses currently available.  ::)

yes it is. And given your level of technical understanding, I am sure you appreciate this, as you are undoubtedly aware of the technical challenges involved to achieve similar AF-speed with FF-lenses/FF-sensors compared to much smaller sensors. 

And ... looking at APS-mirrorless cameras, Sony A6000 and Fujifilm XT-1 show "very decent" AF-performance, including tracking-capability. Canon EOS-M? not at all. EOS-M2? neither.

And ... only 3 months after launch, 4 native lenses are currently available for Sony A7/7R

And ... 18 months after launch of the EOS-M? 3 native EF-M lenses ... only 2 for the US

And ... Sony has a roadmap showing which 15 native lenses will be available until 2015 and up to now they been delivering. Wouldn't it be nice to see such a roadmap for Canon EF-M lenses too?

And ... until then, the Canon EOS-M/EF-M is a rather "dead end".
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« Reply #100 on: March 02, 2014, 01:00:54 PM »
No, what I posted and what you are thinking are two different things ;)

What you posted was:

the a7R with a metabones adapater on certain EF lenses is just as fast as the EOS-M

Sorry, but "just as fast," means 'the same speed'...not 'a lot more faster.'  Maybe you meant something else, but you stated what you stated.

And ... looking at APS-mirrorless cameras, Sony A6000 and Fujifilm XT-1 show "very decent" AF-performance, including tracking-capability.

Is the "very decent" tracking capability adequate for fast-moving birds or athletes?  If not, it's rather a 'dead end' as far as I'm concerned.  For anything still or moving slow, the EOS M does fine. 

Also, fast and accurate tracking is even more critical with the thinner DoF of a FF sensor. 
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« Reply #101 on: March 02, 2014, 01:17:45 PM »
No, what I posted and what you are thinking are two different things ;)

What you posted was:

the a7R with a metabones adapater on certain EF lenses is just as fast as the EOS-M

Sorry, but "just as fast," means 'the same speed'...not 'a lot more faster.'  Maybe you meant something else, but you stated what you stated.
Your question was:
"and somehow that's fine for the a7R but the M is too slow?"
My answer to your question was "No" ... but you are quoting dictionary definitions for something else, which has nothing to do with your question and my answer.
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« Reply #102 on: March 02, 2014, 01:18:06 PM »
Sony needs to release uwa asap for a7 system. ...otherwise, it could be "dead end" as eos-m.

FE 16-35/4.0 zeiss/sony is next up for 2014 according to the roadmap.
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« Reply #103 on: March 02, 2014, 01:25:38 PM »
No, what I posted and what you are thinking are two different things ;)

What you posted was:

the a7R with a metabones adapater on certain EF lenses is just as fast as the EOS-M

Sorry, but "just as fast," means 'the same speed'...not 'a lot more faster.'  Maybe you meant something else, but you stated what you stated.
Your question was:
"and somehow that's fine for the a7R but the M is too slow?"
My answer to your question was "No" ... but you are quoting dictionary definitions for something else, which has nothing to do with your question and my answer.

Got it. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I agree, and you're absolutely right - given how much people malign the EOS M compared to other MILC options, it's definitely NOT fine for the a7R with a Canon EF lens via adapter to focus as slowly as the EOS M.  :P
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Re: Is the canon eos-m a dead end system?
« Reply #104 on: March 02, 2014, 01:27:16 PM »
Sony needs to release uwa asap for a7 system. ...otherwise, it could be "dead end" as eos-m.

FE 16-35/4.0 zeiss/sony is next up for 2014 according to the roadmap.
http://photorumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Sony-lens-roadmap.jpg
Current 24-70 f4 size is kinda big for this system. They need to release compact prime at f4.
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