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Re: Deal: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II $1799 at B&H Photo
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2014, 09:23:04 AM »
Blimey, there are a lot of handbags being thrown around in this thread!

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Re: Deal: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II $1799 at B&H Photo
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2014, 09:23:04 AM »

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Re: Deal: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II $1799 at B&H Photo
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2014, 10:16:24 AM »
It needs IS and thus this one needs to be discontinued.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. You are welcome to not buy the lens. In the 24-70mm focal range with the subjects I shoot with the lens, my shutter speeds are either fast enough to obviate the need for IS, or I'm shooting landscapes from a tripod.  A blanket statement that the lens needs to be discontinued because it lacks image stabilization is just plain silly.

I don't get why anyone would declare that this lens needs to be discontinued, just because it lacks IS, when Canon has a long and successful history selling 70-200 zooms, both with and without IS, side by side. Just add a 24-70 f/2.8L IS to the lineup!

I'm on my 2nd 24-105, which -- despite its faults -- will serve my purposes until a 24-xx f/2.8L IS is released. (I have some very sharp primes within the FL range for critical work.) IS is just so useful to me, that I probably won't buy any more non-IS glass.
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Re: Deal: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II $1799 at B&H Photo
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2014, 01:34:01 PM »
Say what you want. This is one of the best Zooms produced. It certainly doesn't need to be discontinued. Tired of hearing all the crying about IS.

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Re: Deal: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II $1799 at B&H Photo
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2014, 02:27:48 PM »
For me, the only thing keeping me from buying this lens is the price, not the lack of IS. I'm not saying that it's overpriced. I just don't have that kind of money right now to justify upgrading from my 24-105. and to be honest, if I did have the money, I might spend it on a vacation rather than a glass upgrade at this point.

Again, for me and the way I shoot, IS on a lens that only hits 70mm at its max isn't a necessity. It would be nice to have, but I would have to factor in the added weight and cost if there was a Canon 2.8 IS lens in the mix to choose from. I understand that there are a lot of people who would disagree, and that's fine.
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Re: Deal: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II $1799 at B&H Photo
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2014, 02:32:59 PM »
Shouldn't be more than $899.  In fact, I'd probably still buy the Tamron for $1,299 even if the Canon were $899.

It needs IS and thus this one needs to be discontinued.
Ignorance is bliss  ::) and you obviously do not own the Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L II lens ... I have owned both the lenses (Canon 24-70 L II & the Tamron 24-70 VC) ... granted that Tamron is great value for money but the Canon is made of superior optics ... anyone who thinks that the Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L II should be no more than $899 is extremely unintelligent.

Let me put it another way.  As when I bought it, I'd rather have the 24-105/4L IS I have now than a brand new 24-70/2.8 II, even if they were the same price.  And I could buy a new 24-105 for under $1,000.

The difference between f/2.8 and f/4 isn't enough for fast-moving subjects.  But the difference between IS and no IS (3-4 stops) is a huge difference in image quality when you are light-limited (ISO 3200 versus ISO 400, for example).  When I need speed, I use my 35/1.4, and often even that isn't fast enough.

I'd guess they eliminated 2/3 of their potential customers when they decided to go without IS on the new 24-70.

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Re: Deal: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II $1799 at B&H Photo
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2014, 02:55:41 PM »
I'd guess they eliminated 2/3 of their potential customers when they decided to go without IS on the new 24-70.

I don't have access to Canon's market research or sales figures, but I'm not sure that's true. I would imagine that a lot of buyers would have liked to have IS, had it been included, but wanted the highest quality zoom in this FL range, regardless.

I wonder if there are more bashers who rant that Canon should not have released the 24-70 II without IS, or more buyers who claim it doesn't need IS, in order to defend / rationalize their purchase decisions.

Either way, it is what it is. Buy it or don't. But it's always nice to see lower prices on top-quality gear!
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Re: Deal: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II $1799 at B&H Photo
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2014, 03:02:18 PM »
The difference between f/2.8 and f/4 isn't enough for fast-moving subjects.  But the difference between IS and no IS (3-4 stops) is a huge difference in image quality when you are light-limited (ISO 3200 versus ISO 400, for example).  When I need speed, I use my 35/1.4, and often even that isn't fast enough.

How helpful is IS if your subjects are moving?  1/60 s is generally needed to freeze the small, involuntary motion of people holding still.  If they're actually moving, faster speeds are needed…  Also, f/2.8 and f/4 are different in terms of DoF, not just shutter speed.

In other words, your personal needs ≠ everyone's needs.

I'd guess they eliminated 2/3 of their potential customers when they decided to go without IS on the new 24-70.

Nice WAG (= wild-assed guess).  Out of which orifice did you pull that one?   ::)
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Re: Deal: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II $1799 at B&H Photo
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Re: Deal: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II $1799 at B&H Photo
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2014, 03:18:56 PM »
I have been waiting for this.  I did not have the money during the Christmas Season sales. Thanks CR.  Got it!!!
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Re: Deal: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II $1799 at B&H Photo
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2014, 04:21:17 PM »
Blimey, there are a lot of handbags being thrown around in this thread!

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Re: Deal: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II $1799 at B&H Photo
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2014, 04:31:11 PM »
Shouldn't be more than $899.  In fact, I'd probably still buy the Tamron for $1,299 even if the Canon were $899.

It needs IS and thus this one needs to be discontinued.

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It should onyl cost $100 more than the sigma 24-105 f/4? and less than the 24-105L did until recently?

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Re: Deal: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II $1799 at B&H Photo
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2014, 04:34:22 PM »
Shouldn't be more than $899.  In fact, I'd probably still buy the Tamron for $1,299 even if the Canon were $899.

It needs IS and thus this one needs to be discontinued.
Ignorance is bliss  ::) and you obviously do not own the Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L II lens ... I have owned both the lenses (Canon 24-70 L II & the Tamron 24-70 VC) ... granted that Tamron is great value for money but the Canon is made of superior optics ... anyone who thinks that the Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L II should be no more than $899 is extremely unintelligent.

Let me put it another way.  As when I bought it, I'd rather have the 24-105/4L IS I have now than a brand new 24-70/2.8 II, even if they were the same price.  And I could buy a new 24-105 for under $1,000.

The difference between f/2.8 and f/4 isn't enough for fast-moving subjects.  But the difference between IS and no IS (3-4 stops) is a huge difference in image quality when you are light-limited (ISO 3200 versus ISO 400, for example).  When I need speed, I use my 35/1.4, and often even that isn't fast enough.

I'd guess they eliminated 2/3 of their potential customers when they decided to go without IS on the new 24-70.

one stop sometimes can make a difference for moving subjects

plus you forget the little detail about how the image quality is like 10x better than with the 24-105 (I got a tamron 28-75 for like $300 that had better image quality than the 24-105, so why not say it's the 24-105 that should be discontinued? I wouldn't say that, but you get my point.)

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Re: Deal: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II $1799 at B&H Photo
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2014, 05:24:10 PM »
The 24-70 II is a very fine lens indeed. Now is a new option if one did not get it during the Xmas sale. I did get it back then and I am very pleased with its performance as I am with Canons products in general. I have not used the 24-105 since getting the new lens. Kind of illustrate its potential to me at least.
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Re: Deal: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II $1799 at B&H Photo
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2014, 05:41:44 PM »
It needs IS and thus this one needs to be discontinued.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. You are welcome to not buy the lens. In the 24-70mm focal range with the subjects I shoot with the lens, my shutter speeds are either fast enough to obviate the need for IS, or I'm shooting landscapes from a tripod.  A blanket statement that the lens needs to be discontinued because it lacks image stabilization is just plain silly.

I don't get why anyone would declare that this lens needs to be discontinued, just because it lacks IS, when Canon has a long and successful history selling 70-200 zooms, both with and without IS, side by side. Just add a 24-70 f/2.8L IS to the lineup!

I'm on my 2nd 24-105, which -- despite its faults -- will serve my purposes until a 24-xx f/2.8L IS is released. (I have some very sharp primes within the FL range for critical work.) IS is just so useful to me, that I probably won't buy any more non-IS glass.

Fine.  Just add one with IS.  It'll push this one down in price over time.

Regardless, I'm after the rumored Sigma 24-70/2 OS.

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Re: Deal: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II $1799 at B&H Photo
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2014, 05:41:44 PM »

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Re: Deal: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II $1799 at B&H Photo
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2014, 06:06:07 PM »
Shouldn't be more than $899.  In fact, I'd probably still buy the Tamron for $1,299 even if the Canon were $899.

It needs IS and thus this one needs to be discontinued.
Ignorance is bliss  ::) and you obviously do not own the Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L II lens ... I have owned both the lenses (Canon 24-70 L II & the Tamron 24-70 VC) ... granted that Tamron is great value for money but the Canon is made of superior optics ... anyone who thinks that the Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L II should be no more than $899 is extremely unintelligent.

Let me put it another way.  As when I bought it, I'd rather have the 24-105/4L IS I have now than a brand new 24-70/2.8 II, even if they were the same price.  And I could buy a new 24-105 for under $1,000.

The difference between f/2.8 and f/4 isn't enough for fast-moving subjects.  But the difference between IS and no IS (3-4 stops) is a huge difference in image quality when you are light-limited (ISO 3200 versus ISO 400, for example).  When I need speed, I use my 35/1.4, and often even that isn't fast enough.

I'd guess they eliminated 2/3 of their potential customers when they decided to go without IS on the new 24-70.

one stop sometimes can make a difference for moving subjects

plus you forget the little detail about how the image quality is like 10x better than with the 24-105 (I got a tamron 28-75 for like $300 that had better image quality than the 24-105, so why not say it's the 24-105 that should be discontinued? I wouldn't say that, but you get my point.)

I am sure you got a bad copy

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Re: Deal: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II $1799 at B&H Photo
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The difference between f/2.8 and f/4 isn't enough for fast-moving subjects. 

one stop sometimes can make a difference for moving subjects

plus you forget the little detail about how the image quality is like 10x better than with the 24-105

I am sure you got a bad copy

The difference between the two is more than one stop if you want equivalent sharpness. More like 2-3 stops.
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If you have used both (and didn't get an especially bad copy of the f/2.8 or an exceptional copy of the f/4) you wouldn't have made this statement.

Waiting for a triple dip. Just like the 24-70 f/4. So I can get it for $1599. I sold my 24-70II serial 82 because of the clicking noise while zooming.
You sold a malfunctioning lens on the used market? Did you disclose it to the seller?
He said clicking noise, not "malfunctioning".
Either way, I would hope he disclosed the 'clicking' if it was not evident to the seller is all I'm saying. This is not a nifty-fifty we are talking about here...
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