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Re: Review: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens
« Reply #45 on: April 22, 2014, 08:29:52 PM »
I'll wait for Canon to release an awesome and cheap 50mm 1.8 IS lens. I have a hard time dropping money on a 50mm lens for some odd reason.

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Re: Review: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens
« Reply #45 on: April 22, 2014, 08:29:52 PM »

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Re: Review: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens
« Reply #46 on: April 22, 2014, 10:33:10 PM »
"occasional AF inconsistency"

Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!  This is why I retuned all of the copies of their old 50mm...  Hopefully the Sigma dock can fix this.

Otherwise the review looks great.  My biggest concern with this lens was if it sacrificed a nice smooth OOF for sharpness.  The few "Bokeh" (I never know if I am using that word correctly) pictures I have seen look good though.

Man what is it with 50mms?? Why can they never AF? Zeiss 50mm new or old or older don't AF. Canon 50mm 1.4 and 1.8 don't AF (1.2L maybe does if you escape focus shift). Old sigma doesn't new sigma doesn't. Zuiko doesn't AF.

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Re: Review: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens
« Reply #47 on: April 22, 2014, 10:39:29 PM »
I just tried my 4th... Yes, 4th copy of the Sigma 35... I have written Sigma off at this point. I tried, but I just could not deal with the AF.

The first two I tried right when the lens came out... MA changed heavily indoors vs. outdoors... 0 MA near to far outdoors, +10 required indoors. Was a PITA.

Fast forward to last week, I tried another. Copy 1 seemed to work fine indoors vs. outdoors but was decentered... OK, just get another... I have had plenty of Canon lenses that I needed to exchange.

Got the replacement, indoors to outdoors is perfectly fine (thankfully). However, the AF is just way too darn unreliable. Some shots are so far OOF you wonder how the camera ever thought it was right. Yet the next photo be perfectly sharp, the next somewhat soft, sharp again, way out of focus the next, etc... Mostly near infinity focus it had these issues.

I just slapped my 35L back on and sent the Sigma back home for the last time... Until Sigma can have even better AF, the Canon options are for me.

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Re: Review: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens
« Reply #48 on: April 22, 2014, 10:44:24 PM »
sounds like a dud. i'll stick with the 1.2
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Re: Review: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens
« Reply #49 on: April 22, 2014, 10:59:39 PM »
A review before the lens is released? I think instead it should be a preview, not a review! I'd also like to see some other full reviews just in case there was something wrong with that particular lens that was (p)reviewed...

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Re: Review: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens
« Reply #50 on: April 22, 2014, 11:07:51 PM »
I just tried my 4th... Yes, 4th copy of the Sigma 35... I have written Sigma off at this point. I tried, but I just could not deal with the AF.

The first two I tried right when the lens came out... MA changed heavily indoors vs. outdoors... 0 MA near to far outdoors, +10 required indoors. Was a PITA.

Fast forward to last week, I tried another. Copy 1 seemed to work fine indoors vs. outdoors but was decentered... OK, just get another... I have had plenty of Canon lenses that I needed to exchange.

Got the replacement, indoors to outdoors is perfectly fine (thankfully). However, the AF is just way too darn unreliable. Some shots are so far OOF you wonder how the camera ever thought it was right. Yet the next photo be perfectly sharp, the next somewhat soft, sharp again, way out of focus the next, etc... Mostly near infinity focus it had these issues.

I just slapped my 35L back on and sent the Sigma back home for the last time... Until Sigma can have even better AF, the Canon options are for me.

With that much trouble, one has to wonder whether the problems are with the lenses or somewhere else ... like the camera or the "driver".

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Re: Review: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens
« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2014, 11:10:50 PM »
Is there a lens out there that never has occasional AF inconsistency?

Does a 40% miss rate really constitute occasional inconsistency?  I think not...

Compare this to Zeiss missing 100% of AF shots  ;)

Well you could turn the AF off and then the Sigma lens would have the same rate of AF misses as the Zeiss lens, for $3000 less.

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Re: Review: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens
« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2014, 11:10:50 PM »

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Re: Review: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens
« Reply #52 on: April 22, 2014, 11:17:52 PM »

With that much trouble, one has to wonder whether the problems are with the lenses or somewhere else ... like the camera or the "driver".

Trust me... It is Sigma. When all of my Canon glass works perfectly in terms of AF and all (4) sigma lenses are all over the place, I think I can rule out operator error.

Optically aside from the one decentered one, they were amazing. The AF though is a whole nother story... Also note, two copies of the Sigma was on one 5D3 and the other two on another. So I can rule out the body as well.

The 35L nails focus. When it misses, it may be slight but usable. The Sigma misses by a mile at times. Makes no sense. With my commercial work I can't risk that just for sharpness. AF is very important. It's not like I didn't try though.... 4 copies over a year or more? It's not like I gave up after one...

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Re: Review: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens
« Reply #53 on: April 22, 2014, 11:23:00 PM »
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All that said, I'm surprised nobody has been discussing how odd it seems that AI Servo was apparently ok, but One Shot on a tripod wasn't...Any conjecture?
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With a static subject and on a tripod, the reviewer should have been using "Live View" (contrast based focus) and focused through that and should not have used the normal TTL method of focusing. This would then allow the review to check that the camera was no longer vibrating (at 10x view) when they took the photo: depending on the residual motion, 2 seconds is not always enough to allow the camera to become still.

This makes me think that there are some questions to be asked about the procedures used by the reviewer as they have obviously been found wanting.

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Re: Review: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens
« Reply #54 on: April 22, 2014, 11:30:02 PM »
I have to admit I have been waiting for the outcomes of the Sigma reviews following the success of the S35/1.4A.  I'm actually not sure why either - i have been reasonably happy with my C50/1.4 and I cant yet justify the $ for the C50/1.2L.  I say reasonably, but i mean really :o, as at first when i started using it was a bit hit and miss (focus, bokeh et cetera) and after hovering around here for a while realised this is what you have to accept with a relatively old, fast lens. 

Then I read about someone having super success using FoCal and decided to give it a go.  Having tried to micro adjust it a few times, I kept doing it until I got 3 successive scores that were the same (-3).  Well - it's been a revelation!  I love my C50/1.4.  For the price and rewards I get from it - I will just wait to see what Canon may have in terms of an upgrade in the near term.  That way i can stay within the same eco system with minimal risk and fuss.  Who knows - may lash out for the 50/1.2L, but don't think I deserve that just yet.

Just my 2 cents worth :).  For me, in order to move away from Canon eco system, the rewards must really match the risks of investment (ie; price, quality, consistency, durability, resale). 8)
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Re: Review: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens
« Reply #55 on: April 23, 2014, 12:07:33 AM »
"occasional AF inconsistency"
Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!  This is why I returned all of the copies of their old 50mm...
Arrrgh! Me too. The old Sigma 50mm f/1.4 was a beauty...when it focused. I went through two copies, trips to Sigma and finally gave up; thanks eBay.

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Re: Review: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens
« Reply #56 on: April 23, 2014, 01:24:49 AM »
Is there a lens out there that never has occasional AF inconsistency?

Does a 40% miss rate really constitute occasional inconsistency?  I think not...

Compare this to Zeiss missing 100% of AF shots  ;)

Well you could turn the AF off and then the Sigma lens would have the same rate of AF misses as the Zeiss lens, for $3000 less.

+1  ;D
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Re: Review: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens
« Reply #57 on: April 23, 2014, 01:29:22 AM »
Great review, as usual. Now I'm considering cancelling my pre-order. Was hoping it would be as solid as my Sigma 35mm f1.4 Art lens, but if that's not the case, I'll stick with that and my other Canon L lenses.
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Re: Review: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens
« Reply #57 on: April 23, 2014, 01:29:22 AM »

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Re: Review: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens
« Reply #58 on: April 23, 2014, 02:24:05 AM »
Quote from: Bryan @ TDP
Below I share ten 100% crops from one of the more-formal focus tests I performed. The subject is a large book properly aligned with the camera at a relatively close focus distance. Starting with a slightly defocused lens, each shot was autofocused using the center AF point that was very comfortably and completely covered by the book. The first 5 and last 5 images from this particular test are presented below and are representative of the larger test group. … The camera was a tripod-mounted EOS 5D Mark III with mirror lockup and the 2-sec self-timer in use.

Of those 10 shots, 4 are sufficiently OOF as to be unusable (3, 4, 6, 10).  A 60% hit rate with a static subject and a tripod-mounted camera, particularly one with an excellent AF system, does not inspire confidence. 


Also, this is a departure from the norm for Bryan's lens tests (and one, frankly, with which I'm not too pleased):

Quote from: Bryan @ TDP
My evaluation lens was a short term loan from Sigma, as they offered the production-grade lens before it was commercially available.

Any time a manufacturer supplies a product to a well-known reviewer, a big unanswered question is whether the provided copy is truly representative of units purchased retail.  Clearly, it would be in Sigma's best interest to pre-test a batch of them and pick the best copy they can find for review (in fact, they are supposed to generate measured MTFs for every lens they produce, so they have the data already).

I've always felt that one of the strengths of Bryan's reviews (in addition to their thoroughness and readability) is that he purchases review copies through standard retail channels (B&H may put him near the top of the preorder queue, but that's fine), and therefore avoids the potential confound of bias introduced by testing a 'hand-picked' lens from the manufacturer.  I hope Bryan chooses to test one or more copies of the lens purchased retail to see if the results align with the copy provided by Sigma.
I totally agree with your views. I was a bit surprised that Bryan published this as a full review and not just a preview. His objectivity takes a hit when he writes this based on a copy provided by Sigma. On the other hand, he still provides what appears to be a frank, open and honest review. I hope he goes back and provides a revision when he get copies through his regular retail channels. I also would have liked to see more image examples.

I have the 50 Art on preorder and I am looking forward to see what it is worth. But my experience with the 35 Art, where the AF perfomance is a bit unpredictable, is that I end up leaving the lens in the bag (if a 35/1.4L II came around, I would definitely try that). If the same thing happens with the 50 Art, and especially because my main reason for getting it is to use it from f1.4-2.8, I'll probablly reach for the Otus instead.
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Re: Review: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens
« Reply #59 on: April 23, 2014, 05:26:43 AM »
I really wonder what is so damn hard about reverse engineering that Canon lens protocol. We are not talking about some one man show running a startup on a shoe string budget and Ramen noodles, AFAIK Sigma is a sizable company that can design outstanding lenses. It's not like they'd have to crack AES encryption to make this work. They build up all this reputation for the new 50A, only to see it shredded by their poor electronics/firmware. 99-yard football seems to be their favorite sport ...

To those who wondered why AI works for the 50A and single shot AF doesn't (reliably): single shot AF is usually an one effort procedure: measure point spread, calculate AF motor movement, perform motor movement, done. If the measurement is off, or the motor does not move as intended, your AF will be off. With AI the measure/calculate/move procedure is performed continuously, and therefore will only fail in focus shift situations (see 50L).

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Re: Review: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens
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