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Re: is a 600rt with a $50 upgrade from the 580 exii?
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2014, 01:36:21 AM »
Just to put a bow on the end of the story... I was able to sell my 580 exii for $322.70 (net after commission).  My final cost on the 600 rt is $377.98... making my total upgrade cost $55.29. 

So if I hate the 600... I'm coming lookin' for ya'll!!! >-|

I think I need a better flash diffuser... or a better assistant.  My flashbender had some harsh t-zones in some of the photos I took today...

Congrats! You're halfway towards getting the TWO 600s, only after which the upgrade will be worthwhile ;)
One more good idea to make you spend another $ 20- get the diffusion panel for the Rogue (actually, it is not such a bad idea- I am probably going to get it myself).
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Re: is a 600rt with a $50 upgrade from the 580 exii?
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2014, 01:36:21 AM »

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Re: is a 600rt with a $50 upgrade from the 580 exii?
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2014, 01:40:08 AM »
Just to put a bow on the end of the story... I was able to sell my 580 exii for $322.70 (net after commission).  My final cost on the 600 rt is $377.98... making my total upgrade cost $55.29. 

So if I hate the 600... I'm coming lookin' for ya'll!!! >-|

I think I need a better flash diffuser... or a better assistant.  My flashbender had some harsh t-zones in some of the photos I took today...

Congrats! You're halfway towards getting the TWO 600s, only after which the upgrade will be worthwhile ;)
One more good idea to make you spend another $ 20- get the diffusion panel for the Rogue (actually, it is not such a bad idea- I am probably going to get it myself).

I was thinking about it... and I would have liked to have used a translucent white umbrella... but...

It is really quite unwieldy.  I really like the soft light, but having to navigate through a crowd with an open umbrella is a good way for me to never get another assistant again.
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

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Re: is a 600rt with a $50 upgrade from the 580 exii?
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2014, 01:46:50 AM »
I am not convinced with the Rouge "softbox" panel, I seem to like the light and controlability from the naked Flashbender over the not really a softbox softbox.

The XL kit that makes a stripbox looks much more interesting. I have seen some amazing images shot with those.
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Re: is a 600rt with a $50 upgrade from the 580 exii?
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2014, 01:57:53 AM »
I was thinking about it... and I would have liked to have used a translucent white umbrella... but...

It is really quite unwieldy.  I really like the soft light, but having to navigate through a crowd with an open umbrella is a good way for me to never get another assistant again.

You should try holding it up vertically. The Brits do it all the time...

I am not convinced with the Rouge "softbox" panel, I seem to like the light and controlability from the naked Flashbender over the not really a softbox softbox.

Sorry, I had tried to refrain so far. Rogue. [ironic I highlighted Rouge in red, hunh?]
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Re: is a 600rt with a $50 upgrade from the 580 exii?
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2014, 02:03:24 AM »
Ha ha,  :) no my auto correct doesn't seem to like rogue for some reason and I seem to be dyslexic to it, it keeps dropping the t off "the" and loads of other words too, progress!
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Re: is a 600rt with a $50 upgrade from the 580 exii?
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2014, 02:27:49 AM »
Ha ha,  :) no my auto correct doesn't seem to like rogue for some reason and I seem to be dyslexic to it, it keeps dropping the t off "the" and loads of other words too, progress!

Your auto correct should be renamed "politically correct" :P
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Re: is a 600rt with a $50 upgrade from the 580 exii?
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2014, 07:49:50 PM »
Just to put a bow on the end of the story... I was able to sell my 580 exii for $322.70 (net after commission).  My final cost on the 600 rt is $377.98... making my total upgrade cost $55.29. 

So if I hate the 600... I'm coming lookin' for ya'll!!! >-|

I think I need a better flash diffuser... or a better assistant.  My flashbender had some harsh t-zones in some of the photos I took today...

I hate shooting with flashes  ;)

Keep in mind, I never own any speedlite prior speedlite 600. It took me about 20mins to fire up all these stuff. The layout is very friendly :)

First few couple shots with flashes(straight out from camera). Still have a lot more to learn. To have both kids sit still and looking at camera at the same time will be my #1 task ;D

Backgrounds will be next... ::)
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Re: is a 600rt with a $50 upgrade from the 580 exii?
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2014, 07:49:50 PM »

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Re: is a 600rt with a $50 upgrade from the 580 exii?
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2014, 10:12:36 PM »
Just to put a bow on the end of the story... I was able to sell my 580 exii for $322.70 (net after commission).  My final cost on the 600 rt is $377.98... making my total upgrade cost $55.29. 

So if I hate the 600... I'm coming lookin' for ya'll!!! >-|

I think I need a better flash diffuser... or a better assistant.  My flashbender had some harsh t-zones in some of the photos I took today...

I hate shooting with flashes  ;)

Keep in mind, I never own any speedlite prior speedlite 600. It took me about 20mins to fire up all these stuff. The layout is very friendly :)

First few couple shots with flashes(straight out from camera). Still have a lot more to learn. To have both kids sit still and looking at camera at the same time will be my #1 task ;D

Backgrounds will be next... ::)

I've come full circle in regards to flash.  When all I had was the on camera flash... I never used it. Then I had a 430 exii that I could use in slave mode and I could trigger it using my on camera flash... and I like it enough... then I had the 580's, an umbrella (still working on getting that 2nd umbrella), and stands... and I really like the result when the result is good.  When I screw up the result, well... I won't go into that.

So I like flash... but not as a panacea to bad technique... because it still can detract from an image... but I digress.  I like your first efforts.  When you have two subjects, I'd suggest shooting at f/8 or so, so both are in focus... There's nothing worse than everything coming together and both are looking at the camera, but one is out of focus and the other is in focus... it is just frustrating and annoying. 
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

XS->60D->5d Mkiii:18-55->24-105L:75-300->55-250->70-300->70-200 f4L USM->70-200 f/2.8L USM->70-200 f/2.8L IS Mkii:50 f/1.8->50 f/1.4->100 f/2.8L->85mm f/1.8 USM->135L -> 8mm ->100L

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Re: is a 600rt with a $50 upgrade from the 580 exii?
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2014, 10:35:01 PM »
Just to put a bow on the end of the story... I was able to sell my 580 exii for $322.70 (net after commission).  My final cost on the 600 rt is $377.98... making my total upgrade cost $55.29. 

So if I hate the 600... I'm coming lookin' for ya'll!!! >-|

I think I need a better flash diffuser... or a better assistant.  My flashbender had some harsh t-zones in some of the photos I took today...


I hate shooting with flashes  ;)

Keep in mind, I never own any speedlite prior speedlite 600. It took me about 20mins to fire up all these stuff. The layout is very friendly :)

First few couple shots with flashes(straight out from camera). Still have a lot more to learn. To have both kids sit still and looking at camera at the same time will be my #1 task ;D

Backgrounds will be next... ::)


I've come full circle in regards to flash.  When all I had was the on camera flash... I never used it. Then I had a 430 exii that I could use in slave mode and I could trigger it using my on camera flash... and I like it enough... then I had the 580's, an umbrella (still working on getting that 2nd umbrella), and stands... and I really like the result when the result is good.  When I screw up the result, well... I won't go into that.

So I like flash... but not as a panacea to bad technique... because it still can detract from an image... but I digress.  I like your first efforts.  When you have two subjects, I'd suggest shooting at f/8 or so, so both are in focus... There's nothing worse than everything coming together and both are looking at the camera, but one is out of focus and the other is in focus... it is just frustrating and annoying.


Advanced on camera flash techniques can be used to very good effect, but as you say, it isn't a band aid for bad technique, indeed bad technique makes the situation far worse.

Neil Van Niekerk is the master of advanced on camera flash use, his combination of flagged flash, iso, and ambient is the pinnacle of the craft. http://neilvn.com/tangents/?s=black+foamie+thing
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Re: is a 600rt with a $50 upgrade from the 580 exii?
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2014, 10:02:23 AM »
Just to put a bow on the end of the story... I was able to sell my 580 exii for $322.70 (net after commission).  My final cost on the 600 rt is $377.98... making my total upgrade cost $55.29. 

So if I hate the 600... I'm coming lookin' for ya'll!!! >-|

I think I need a better flash diffuser... or a better assistant.  My flashbender had some harsh t-zones in some of the photos I took today...

I hate shooting with flashes  ;)

Keep in mind, I never own any speedlite prior speedlite 600. It took me about 20mins to fire up all these stuff. The layout is very friendly :)

First few couple shots with flashes(straight out from camera). Still have a lot more to learn. To have both kids sit still and looking at camera at the same time will be my #1 task ;D

Backgrounds will be next... ::)

I've come full circle in regards to flash.  When all I had was the on camera flash... I never used it. Then I had a 430 exii that I could use in slave mode and I could trigger it using my on camera flash... and I like it enough... then I had the 580's, an umbrella (still working on getting that 2nd umbrella), and stands... and I really like the result when the result is good.  When I screw up the result, well... I won't go into that.

So I like flash... but not as a panacea to bad technique... because it still can detract from an image... but I digress.  I like your first efforts.  When you have two subjects, I'd suggest shooting at f/8 or so, so both are in focus... There's nothing worse than everything coming together and both are looking at the camera, but one is out of focus and the other is in focus... it is just frustrating and annoying.

I plan to add two more 600rt to my kits. With two 60" westscott umbrellas and five 600rt, I will feel safe shooting @ f11 to 16, 1/200, ISO100-400

Again, the st-e3-rt makes shooting wireless very simple. However, the price we pay for this feature is high. I'll look forward to Dec deals ;). I got mines for $450each, NEW from authourized dealer, with 1yr Canon warranty. They also throw in couple off brand umbrella stands and one 60" westscott umbrella.   

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Re: is a 600rt with a $50 upgrade from the 580 exii?
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2014, 11:59:32 AM »
Just to put a bow on the end of the story... I was able to sell my 580 exii for $322.70 (net after commission).  My final cost on the 600 rt is $377.98... making my total upgrade cost $55.29. 

So if I hate the 600... I'm coming lookin' for ya'll!!! >-|

I think I need a better flash diffuser... or a better assistant.  My flashbender had some harsh t-zones in some of the photos I took today...

I hate shooting with flashes  ;)

Keep in mind, I never own any speedlite prior speedlite 600. It took me about 20mins to fire up all these stuff. The layout is very friendly :)

First few couple shots with flashes(straight out from camera). Still have a lot more to learn. To have both kids sit still and looking at camera at the same time will be my #1 task ;D

Backgrounds will be next... ::)

I've come full circle in regards to flash.  When all I had was the on camera flash... I never used it. Then I had a 430 exii that I could use in slave mode and I could trigger it using my on camera flash... and I like it enough... then I had the 580's, an umbrella (still working on getting that 2nd umbrella), and stands... and I really like the result when the result is good.  When I screw up the result, well... I won't go into that.

So I like flash... but not as a panacea to bad technique... because it still can detract from an image... but I digress.  I like your first efforts.  When you have two subjects, I'd suggest shooting at f/8 or so, so both are in focus... There's nothing worse than everything coming together and both are looking at the camera, but one is out of focus and the other is in focus... it is just frustrating and annoying.

I plan to add two more 600rt to my kits. With two 60" westscott umbrellas and five 600rt, I will feel safe shooting @ f11 to 16, 1/200, ISO100-400

Again, the st-e3-rt makes shooting wireless very simple. However, the price we pay for this feature is high. I'll look forward to Dec deals ;). I got mines for $450each, NEW from authourized dealer, with 1yr Canon warranty. They also throw in couple off brand umbrella stands and one 60" westscott umbrella.   

As a pure power based studio style setup the speedlite route makes little sense, there are much better and cheaper solutions, Elinchrome would be a make I'd recommend, but if you want "the best" the Profoto B1 Air is THE new toy to have, and if you are going to be ganging three 600's, not badly priced and much more powerful than even the three 600's, they do ETTL and radio wireless too.
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Re: is a 600rt with a $50 upgrade from the 580 exii?
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2014, 11:59:32 AM »