December 18, 2014, 11:21:22 PM

Author Topic: EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM & EF 16-35 f/4L IS Around the Corner? [CR2]  (Read 9638 times)

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The EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM would probably have to be a $3-400 lens to not be DOA. Especially at f/4.5-5.6. The IS would be a nice addition for video people, but, at the expense of that aperture loss. How many people would take the Canon when there are now a variety of 10mm and 11mm options at f/2.8...even worse when you consider the 2 stop loss at 16mm vs the Tokina (f/2.8 vs f/5.6), and the 3+ stop loss vs the Sigma at 18mm. That's basically the difference of IS

Price will be interesting on the crop version.  There is currently an EF-S 10-22 USM F/3.5-4.5 (a decent lens) that is faster for aperture and faster for focusing (USM > STM).

So this new 10-18 STM lens will have IS and be ten years newer (presumed to be sharper), but it will be slower on those two fronts.

So does this make the new lens a budget variable aperture EF-S wide angle, or is it a true replacement for the EF-S 10-22?

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The EF-S 10-18 sounds like it might be a budget/ plastic mount lens to go with the 18-55 & 55-250 IS STM lenses.

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Is the 16-35 f/4L intended as a replacement for the current 17-40 f/4L  ???
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Is the 16-35 f/4L intended as a replacement for the current 17-40 f/4L  ???

No.

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Regarding that EF 16-35 F/4...  Does F/4 mean 77mm front filters will stick around?   :D 

That would make me very happy -- I have three other 77mm lenses and my Lee setup is based off of the 77mm ring.  (I never opted in for the 16-35 II or 24-70 II, so I haven't had to make the 82mm plunge yet.)

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I only want sharp corners at the wide end. Everything else is secondary to me.  Can Canon do it?  I doubt it judging by what we have now.

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Is the 16-35 f/4L intended as a replacement for the current 17-40 f/4L  ???

A 16-40 f/4L IS would get my attention. I find the 40mm end of my 17-40mm very useful as a 'standard FL' when I'm traveling and conditions (weather/dust) make me not want to change lenses at that moment.
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Interesting, but I sure as heck wish it could've been extended to 40mm if at all possible. Then you could easily get away with a 16-40 IS (and for sure if it had been the earlier 16-50 rumor) when you need IS more than anything and use it instead of 24-70 at times and the gap to a paired 70-300L or 70-200 wouldn't be too bad. 35mm to 70mm starts being a bit of a gap and sneaking it in for more portraits and such at 35mm is getting to be just a bit uncomfortable. EVen if it had a mediocre 35-40/50mm I wish they snuck that in. 45mm would've helped a ton.

The fact that it is f/4 and such a limited range does give hopes that it might perhaps deliver 24-70 II performance to the FF edges though. I do wish they had been able to tack on an extra 5-15mm focal length though, even if the performance there had been sub-par compared to the rest of the range, for people shots you can get away with it more and for nature stuff at least it's an emergency and likely better than quality from heavy crop. Although maybe it doesn't work that way and allowing to extend more would make the lower end suffer somehow (although I wouldn't think so, it could just keep extending and sliding and if the quality goes down more and more so be it, of course some would've screamed bloody murder about how the lens is junk because it's not so hot 40-45/50mm even though it's ultimate perfection 16-30mm).

Or if it wasn't going to go long, maybe 14-30mm f/4 IS would be more sense than 16-35mm f/4 IS since not sure 35mm is quite enough to quite make is dual purposed general lens. It's really kind of a pure wide angle on FF. And 14-30mm means you can dump Samyang 14mm and such. Hard to say though, 14mm is probably harder to pull off in a zoom especially without making it bulbous and weird and maybe 35mm gives JUST enough reach to at least make it a dual general wide landscape can just barely get away with it pairing with 70-200/300 at times. You can always pop in a light little 50mm 1.8 or 1.4 to cover the gap for the times non-stops lenss switching wouldn't be too much of a bother I guess, although in some cases that would be too slow and a bother.


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16-35 would be a landscape/architecture lens for many. If I would be shooting any serious such shots I would certainly use a tripod with f11. IS would not be useful.
If I am indoors shooting people at a party or such with available light I would need wider f stop to freeze the subject motion. IS would not be useful.

Unlike the 24-70 where I want IS, I am not sure how important IS is to such a wide lens.

I know there are loop holes in my thinking process here but I would prefer an updated lens with 2.8 aperture and IS. 2.8 will help me freeze the subject motion and I would have the mental peace that if I am ever stuck somewhere without a tripod I could take a slow shutter shot.

IS can be nice for a wide lens. Sometimes you want to enjoy as much as photograph yet still want to take as serious and high quality shot as you can and IS could mean two stops plus lower ISO for better detail and more DR without having to do the tripod dance. Sometimes you are with people and constant tripod use bogs things down and then well they get annoyed and you are no longer with people hah. IS could help that a bit. Sometimes the light is changing fast and being able to quickly hand hold a bunch of shots lets you capture a whole bunch of wild stuff while tripod means you maybe miss half the shots if not more. Sometimes you are on the more city part of a trip and dragging a tripod around is a drag or not allowed and IS is good for those times.

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I only want sharp corners at the wide end. Everything else is secondary to me.  Can Canon do it?  I doubt it judging by what we have now.

But look at the 24-70 II and 24-70 f/4 IS at the wide end or the 24 2.8 IS or 24 T&S II or 17 T&S. YOu used to be able to say doubt it when you looked at 24-105 and 24-70 2.8 and 28-135 and 24 2.8 and 16-35 and 17-40, but they have released a lot of stuff since then.

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Is the 16-35 f/4L intended as a replacement for the current 17-40 f/4L  ???

A 16-40 f/4L IS would get my attention. I find the 40mm end of my 17-40mm very useful as a 'standard FL' when I'm traveling and conditions (weather/dust) make me not want to change lenses at that moment.

I sure do wish it could make it to 40/45mm!! Even if it's a very average IQ at 40-45mm.

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The EF-S 10-18 sounds like it might be a budget/ plastic mount lens to go with the 18-55 & 55-250 IS STM lenses.

Remember that every lens isn't for every person- before there are countless threads about the downfall of Canon and their lack of innovation.

If anything, your explanation makes most sense. I didn't think about the range "fit" for the STM line of lenses.  Looks like I'm keeping my UWA. :)
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How is supoused to be good for video a zoom lens (EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM) with no constant max. aperture?
Am I missing something? Please do not tell me "you shouldn´t zoom while making videos". ;)

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How is supoused to be good for video a zoom lens (EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM) with no constant max. aperture?
Am I missing something? Please do not tell me "you shouldn´t zoom while making videos". ;)

what do you zoom in the 10-18mm range?

this lens is for stabilized video recording with silent AF. and for that, it's the missing link. it's pretty good for making video from family events. I love my 17-55 USM for photos but don't like the rattling while focusing. it's good indoors, but outdoors, no fast aperture is needed. STM lenses are much better for this.

if a fair price is given to it (~$300), I have my birthday :D

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16-35 f4 IS would be good if they match it up with Nikon's VR offering and can keep it around $1200ish. Though, even if it's a stellar performer I'm not sure if I'd ditch my 17-40 for it. Like everyone else, I really want a 14-24 f/2.8
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