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Re: New Full Frame Camera in Testing? [CR1]
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2014, 08:45:35 PM »
Maybe based on the rumored pseudo-Foveon-like new sensors??
Although if it has the same file size as a 5D3 that would make it a pretty low effective detail MP count, kinda like 10MP Foveon??

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Re: New Full Frame Camera in Testing? [CR1]
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Re: New Full Frame Camera in Testing? [CR1]
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2014, 08:55:49 PM »
same image size, much better color, more details... well could be foveon like sensor.
could also be a better bayer sensor.

big question is....are they talking about JPG or RAW....

good point! If they are talking JPGs it could mean it's 60MP Foveon, 20MP++ equivalent which wouldn't be bad. Although it sounded like they were talking RAW since they mentioned special laptop to process the files which implies more like 24MP Foveon and 8MP++ equivalent, but this many years later you'd think they could aim to be pushing 3x the sensor data not the same amount which hints back towards the first 60MP/20MP++.

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Re: New Full Frame Camera in Testing? [CR1]
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2014, 09:03:43 PM »
I forget. What is the supposed "3D" supposed to be? 
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« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2014, 09:25:22 PM »
The color accuracy of the 1Dx actually isn't all that great.  It's nothing compared to the 1Ds Mark III.

This.

I have a 5D3 and two 1Ds3 cameras. There is so much to still love about the 1Ds3 over the 5d3. Colour accuracy and image cleanliness definitely among them.

+1

I would say this has been true of the 1Ds line in general as I've shot with the 1Ds and the colour in its files I've found better than 5D2 and 5D3.

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« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2014, 09:30:21 PM »
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however I'm not sure about this rumor.

This rumor makes it sound like "Canon came and visited us with a new camera that we got to look at and try."

If that is the case, Canon will know exactly who it is (or have a very short list.) If they signed an NDA ... and even if they didn't, I suspect that Canon would look unfavourably on this kind of disclosure - UNLESS it was specifically asked about and agreed to.

Additionally, any professional (working in a studio where Canon visits you is going to mean you're seriously good) is going to know that the colour accuracy of a file when viewed on a laptop screen is highly dependent on the ability of the screen to represent colour itself and without being able to use the images on a calibrated screen, the colours seen on some random laptop mean nothing.

I'd be almost prepared to call this rumor a hoax.

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Re: New Full Frame Camera in Testing? [CR1]
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2014, 10:35:15 PM »
lol - watch it be the 7D Mk II  :)
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Re: New Full Frame Camera in Testing? [CR1]
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2014, 10:39:38 PM »
....

however I'm not sure about this rumor.

This rumor makes it sound like "Canon came and visited us with a new camera that we got to look at and try."

If that is the case, Canon will know exactly who it is (or have a very short list.) If they signed an NDA ... and even if they didn't, I suspect that Canon would look unfavourably on this kind of disclosure - UNLESS it was specifically asked about and agreed to.

Additionally, any professional (working in a studio where Canon visits you is going to mean you're seriously good) is going to know that the colour accuracy of a file when viewed on a laptop screen is highly dependent on the ability of the screen to represent colour itself and without being able to use the images on a calibrated screen, the colours seen on some random laptop mean nothing.

I'd be almost prepared to call this rumor a hoax.

my thoughts exactly. why would canon do this?

its one thing for canon to get high speed cameras in the hands of professionals in the field for testing (ie world cup, olympics etc) but why do so for a studio setting? is it beyond canons capability to set up a studio at their R&D facility for testing....i highly doubt it.
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Re: New Full Frame Camera in Testing? [CR1]
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2014, 10:39:38 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2014, 10:50:12 PM »
....

however I'm not sure about this rumor.

This rumor makes it sound like "Canon came and visited us with a new camera that we got to look at and try."

If that is the case, Canon will know exactly who it is (or have a very short list.) If they signed an NDA ... and even if they didn't, I suspect that Canon would look unfavourably on this kind of disclosure - UNLESS it was specifically asked about and agreed to.

Additionally, any professional (working in a studio where Canon visits you is going to mean you're seriously good) is going to know that the colour accuracy of a file when viewed on a laptop screen is highly dependent on the ability of the screen to represent colour itself and without being able to use the images on a calibrated screen, the colours seen on some random laptop mean nothing.

I'd be almost prepared to call this rumor a hoax.

my thoughts exactly. why would canon do this?

its one thing for canon to get high speed cameras in the hands of professionals in the field for testing (ie world cup, olympics etc) but why do so for a studio setting? is it beyond canons capability to set up a studio at their R&D facility for testing....i highly doubt it.

They have always done that, particularly with the high end bodies and lenses, it is part and parcel of the normal testing process and it throws up inconsistencies and compatibility issues the labs and Japanese factory field testers don't come across. It also gets Canon high end user feedback, however perverse and badly informed it might be, and it creates a little clique for the studios. Being an Alpha tester for Canon is a feather in any studios cap.
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Re: New Full Frame Camera in Testing? [CR1]
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2014, 11:03:08 PM »
hmm, i guess that kind of makes sense.
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Re: New Full Frame Camera in Testing? [CR1]
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2014, 11:08:35 PM »
fwiw, I agree with Dilbert.  Seems borderline inconceivable that someone reviewing a laptop image could reliably conclude that color rendition was "much better."  Sounds "hoaxy" to me...  Regardless, I'd be thrilled to see a sub 30 mp canon camera with much better color rendition, dynamic range and/or noise performance.
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Re: New Full Frame Camera in Testing? [CR1]
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2014, 11:30:00 PM »
Seems borderline inconceivable that someone reviewing a laptop image could reliably conclude that color rendition was "much better."  Sounds "hoaxy" to me...  Regardless, I'd be thrilled to see a sub 30 mp canon camera with much better color rendition, dynamic range and/or noise performance.

There is no way to tell if the test photographers concluded that the camera had these superior image qualities, or if the Canon entourage told them that was the compelling feature of this camera.  It sounds neither hoaxish nor entirely credible to me: it sounds like a CR1.

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Re: New Full Frame Camera in Testing? [CR1]
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2014, 12:03:49 AM »
A lot of even high end pros don't have the faintest idea about colour. I have seen pros, real household names, wax lyrical about this lighting setup or that lighting setup because of a colour cast, yet not having a clue about camera profiling. It is kind of embarrassing the misinformed uneducated rubbish they come out with sometimes, particularly about colour, but hey, they are much better image makers and promoters than me!

Many don't do anything, they leave all that to "the retouchers", some use grey cards but believe WB is all that is needed for good consistent work while some, depressingly few, use colour cards and make profiles. It is funny, they know what light they like, they can tell you what time of day an image was made in their daylight studio from the colour on their calibrated monitor, but they couldn't tell you how to create exactly the same look with studio lights, or visa versa.

As far as lighting goes, junior movie light crew know far more about light than most high end pro photographers.
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Re: New Full Frame Camera in Testing? [CR1]
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2014, 12:07:36 AM »
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Re: New Full Frame Camera in Testing? [CR1]
« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2014, 12:39:05 AM »
I forget. What is the supposed "3D" supposed to be?

The EOS 3D is long-fabled version of the film EOS 3, but it's not longer fabled as it already arrived as the EOS 5D3 a few years ago. Although I guess some just want to keep the mythical nature of it alive hah and others simply don't seem to understand so they still keep on talking about a mythical 3D one day (again, it's lready out and it's the 5D3; I'm particularly not sure why some keep trying to refer to the mythical upcoming ultra high MP camera as the EOS 3D, since what the heck does that have to do with the old EOS 3, it's not like the EOS 3 was medium format or anything).


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Re: New Full Frame Camera in Testing? [CR1]
« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2014, 12:41:37 AM »
....

however I'm not sure about this rumor.

This rumor makes it sound like "Canon came and visited us with a new camera that we got to look at and try."

If that is the case, Canon will know exactly who it is (or have a very short list.) If they signed an NDA ... and even if they didn't, I suspect that Canon would look unfavourably on this kind of disclosure - UNLESS it was specifically asked about and agreed to.

Additionally, any professional (working in a studio where Canon visits you is going to mean you're seriously good) is going to know that the colour accuracy of a file when viewed on a laptop screen is highly dependent on the ability of the screen to represent colour itself and without being able to use the images on a calibrated screen, the colours seen on some random laptop mean nothing.

I'd be almost prepared to call this rumor a hoax.

Its more the fine color transitions and discrimination they are referring to and fine color detail, that is different than accuracy (which depends a lot on the color profile used to develop and matching white balance and so on and so forth).

And maybe they were told to leak talk about amazing colors regardless of what they could see on the laptop.

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Re: New Full Frame Camera in Testing? [CR1]
« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2014, 12:41:37 AM »