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Lee Big Stpper with UV filters
« on: July 17, 2014, 02:46:30 PM »
I just got my Lee filter kit and Big Stopper. Planning to use on my 2.8 16-35 II and my 2.8 24-70 II. I normally keep B and W UV filters on these for "protection".  Just wondering what others who own the Lee system do......do you put the adapter on over your UV, or take the UV off while using the Lee system. I put the adapter on over my B & W's.... it fits, but when you take the adapter off the UV filter tends to come with it and I could see it easily getting stuck. I have been reading a lot about the UV or no UV "protective" filter debate. I have always used them, but I may "go bare" now.....just wondering what other Lee users do! Thanks for any info!

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Re: Lee Big Stpper with UV filters
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2014, 03:35:35 PM »
I take mine off
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Re: Lee Big Stpper with UV filters
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2014, 04:28:17 PM »
Guess I'm just overly protective of damaging the front lens element on the 16-35. I'll usually leave mine on.

For fun sometimes I'll use the Big Stopper with a warming filter for interesting effects.

My two cents and congrats on joining the Big Stopper club.
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Re: Lee Big Stpper with UV filters
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2014, 04:55:58 PM »
I "go bare" unless I anticipate being in a dusty or sandy area. I am generally pretty confident of my ability to separate filter-threaded objects. In fact, I store filters, lightly screwed together, between metal filter caps - fits in my pocket, won't get damaged by keys. Nota bene: Filter Connection ( www.2filter.com )  warns about screwing a wide angle adapter into a thin polarizer, and I have heard of several people who tried that and had the hardest time separating the polarizer from the adapter afterward. It is tempting to try to save on buying an $80.00 105mm adapter ring and a $320.00 105 mm CPL. Don't mate a modern CPL by its female threads. The only use female threads of a CPL should have is to serve as lens cap holder.

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Re: Lee Big Stpper with UV filters
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2014, 05:42:47 PM »
I don't have the Lee Big Stopper, but I use grad ND filters a lot.  I have found that I sometimes get mechanical vignetting at wider angles if I leave the protective filter on.  Something to look for. 

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Re: Lee Big Stpper with UV filters
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2014, 07:02:37 PM »
On my 17-40, I have a B+W xs-pro clear filter on all the time. The Lee wide-angle adaptor is attached to that. On the filter holder itself, I have two slots (big or little stopper and a graduated ND), and the 105mm attachment for a 105 B+W extra wide polarizer. On this setup, I have no vignetting at 20mm and above. Heading outside to test the 16-35mm f/4 with it now.

I would just check for vignetting and decide how wide you need to be able to go with your glass. I'm not at all wedded to front protective filters (don't use them on the lenses that don't require them for weather seal), but I don't like wasting time fiddling with too much stuff to set up my kit, so my lens lives with the Lee adaptor mounted and a 72mm lens cap. If I really need 17mm, I carry a 77mm ND and a 77mm polarizer. Pull the adaptor off, throw those on, and do the grad ND by hand.
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Re: Lee Big Stpper with UV filters
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2014, 07:09:47 PM »
Tsk! Come on son..

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Re: Lee Big Stpper with UV filters
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2014, 07:52:12 PM »
Not completely relevant to the thread, but I said I'd follow up. Like the 17-40mm f/4L, the 16-35mm f/4L IS has no vignetting at 20mm and above with an B+W XS-Pro clear filter, wide angle Lee adaptor, Lee filter holder with two slots and a 105mm adaptor, and a B+W 105mm extra wide circular polarizer. My 24-70mm f/4L IS is good at 24mm.
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Re: Lee Big Stpper with UV filters
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2014, 08:13:22 PM »
I have  B+W UV  MRC / Nano filters on all my L lenses and leave them on.  I use the LEE filter system with both the BIG and LITTLE stopper.  I did tests with and without of sunrises/waterfalls etc and there was no difference in the shots that I could see.

I leave them on for the extra protection the filter gives for dust and rain.  Also with the nano coating inadvertent marks on the front are just a simple wipe away.

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Re: Lee Big Stpper with UV filters
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2014, 10:33:27 PM »
Nota bene: Filter Connection ( www.2filter.com )  warns about screwing a wide angle adapter into a thin polarizer, and I have heard of several people who tried that and had the hardest time separating the polarizer from the adapter afterward. It is tempting to try to save on buying an $80.00 105mm adapter ring and a $320.00 105 mm CPL. Don't mate a modern CPL by its female threads. The only use female threads of a CPL should have is to serve as lens cap holder.

+1.
I had this problem with a Lee WA adapter and my B+W CP-L. When I was using it, it felt great that I could use the two and also turn the polarizer merely by turning the Lee system altogether clockwise.
However, I realized to my dismay afterwards that the outer ring of the CP-L, which I need to grab tightly in order to get the WA adapter off, is completely hidden under the adapter. Turning the adapter counterclockwise merely turns the outer ring of the polarizer with respect to the inner ring, with no effect on removing the adapter whatsoever.
The solution was to use gaffer's tape to secure the two rings of the polarizer and then twist them off as one piece.
You can have a similar situation with a regular filter if you screw the adapter on too tight.

I can understand it might worry some to have the lens 'bare' while using the Lee system, especially as you carry the camera+lens from one place to another, because you wouldn't have the filters stuck at that time, and you might not want to take the adapter on and off every time to put the lens cap on. I recommend getting the Lee filter caps ($ 8 for 3 pieces) and ensuring peace of mind.
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Re: Lee Big Stpper with UV filters
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2014, 11:38:18 PM »
Not completely relevant to the thread, but I said I'd follow up. Like the 17-40mm f/4L, the 16-35mm f/4L IS has no vignetting at 20mm and above with an B+W XS-Pro clear filter, wide angle Lee adaptor, Lee filter holder with two slots and a 105mm adaptor, and a B+W 105mm extra wide circular polarizer. My 24-70mm f/4L IS is good at 24mm.

I'm curious whether you can go below 20 mm with either the 17-40 or 16-35 f/4 if you take the clear filter off before attaching Lee wide angle adaptor/holder/105mm adaptor and B+W 105mm extra wide CPL (I take it this is the one that is 105mm on the attaching side, and larger on the side towards the subject)?

It would be useful to know for those who do go bare when using the Lee system (and I have been one of them - although I confess I have been using the CPL between lens and Lee and have gotten it to work sortof - not well).
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Re: Lee Big Stpper with UV filters
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2014, 01:08:46 AM »
I don't have the Lee Big Stopper, but I use grad ND filters a lot.  I have found that I sometimes get mechanical vignetting at wider angles if I leave the protective filter on.  Something to look for.

+1.  On the 24-70 you can stack, though I don't.   

But under 24mm you need to watch how much stuff you are stacking up in front of the front element or you'll lose your corners from vignetting.

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Re: Lee Big Stpper with UV filters
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2014, 07:34:46 PM »
I just got my Lee filter kit and Big Stopper. Planning to use on my 2.8 16-35 II and my 2.8 24-70 II. I normally keep B and W UV filters on these for "protection".  Just wondering what others who own the Lee system do......do you put the adapter on over your UV, or take the UV off while using the Lee system. I put the adapter on over my B & W's.... it fits, but when you take the adapter off the UV filter tends to come with it and I could see it easily getting stuck. I have been reading a lot about the UV or no UV "protective" filter debate. I have always used them, but I may "go bare" now.....just wondering what other Lee users do! Thanks for any info!

I don't see the reason for using the UV-filter when I'm using my Lee system. Not like it is protecting against anything (it's no longer the outermost filter on the lens) the only thing it might do is decrease the IQ, introduce extra flare and possibly vignette. Normally I leave my wide angel adapter ring on my 17-40mm all the time, because that's what I use most of the time. That in turn means I don't use a UV-filter for that lens.   

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Re: Lee Big Stpper with UV filters
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2014, 07:57:52 PM »
I just got my Lee filter kit and Big Stopper. Planning to use on my 2.8 16-35 II and my 2.8 24-70 II. I normally keep B and W UV filters on these for "protection".  Just wondering what others who own the Lee system do......do you put the adapter on over your UV, or take the UV off while using the Lee system. I put the adapter on over my B & W's.... it fits, but when you take the adapter off the UV filter tends to come with it and I could see it easily getting stuck. I have been reading a lot about the UV or no UV "protective" filter debate. I have always used them, but I may "go bare" now.....just wondering what other Lee users do! Thanks for any info!

I don't see the reason for using the UV-filter when I'm using my Lee system. Not like it is protecting against anything (it's no longer the outermost filter on the lens) the only thing it might do is decrease the IQ, introduce extra flare and possibly vignette. Normally I leave my wide angel adapter ring on my 17-40mm all the time, because that's what I use most of the time. That in turn means I don't use a UV-filter for that lens.

I think some UV/clear filter believers (goodness knows I am one) believe every lens' front element should be protected if possible.  And there is legitimate concern for this in the context of 100x150 / 4x6 / 4x4 filter user -- if you are shooting the tide or a river and your camera takes a splash, takes a sandy gust of wind, etc., a Lee Foundation holder and a Big Stopper will do little to protect the front element.

All that said, using my Lee square/rectangular ND grads and NDs is the one time I leave my lenses front elements exposed.  The certainty of vignetting on wide angles is worse than the possibility of a nasty salt water splash.  Keep in mind that I principally use these sort of filters on wide angles.  I don't know if I would make the same decision on longer FLs.

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Re: Lee Big Stpper with UV filters
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2014, 05:15:45 AM »
Not completely relevant to the thread, but I said I'd follow up. Like the 17-40mm f/4L, the 16-35mm f/4L IS has no vignetting at 20mm and above with an B+W XS-Pro clear filter, wide angle Lee adaptor, Lee filter holder with two slots and a 105mm adaptor, and a B+W 105mm extra wide circular polarizer. My 24-70mm f/4L IS is good at 24mm.

I'm curious whether you can go below 20 mm with either the 17-40 or 16-35 f/4 if you take the clear filter off before attaching Lee wide angle adaptor/holder/105mm adaptor and B+W 105mm extra wide CPL (I take it this is the one that is 105mm on the attaching side, and larger on the side towards the subject)?

It would be useful to know for those who do go bare when using the Lee system (and I have been one of them - although I confess I have been using the CPL between lens and Lee and have gotten it to work sortof - not well).

I did a quick test on my 17-40 with Lee holder, 2 slots, with 105mm ring attached. Oh and to answer the question what 105mm cirpol I'm using look at the picture  ;)

All images shot at F8 against a whiteish wall, I've overexposed them somewhat to get rid of the shadows on the wall. The ones taken with the cirpol has a four time longer shutter speed to account for loosing about 2-stops with the cirpol.

First image is taken at 17mm with just the filter holder attached to the lens, so there is no vignetting from the 105mm filter ring attachment.
Image number two is at 17mm with the cirpol on, obvious vignetting.
Number 3 at 20mm with cirpol, slight vignetting in the corner.
Number 4 at 21mm no vignetting visible.

Edit: Oh, the order got messed up, but I guess you can read the filename for each image. Sorry about that.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2014, 05:17:20 AM by mro »

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