Announcement: Canon EOS C300 Mark II. Full Coverage and Videos Here.

[CarlMillerPhoto]

I'm certainly drooling right now. Shame it costs so much.

[abbottoklus]

Ugh why is it SO expensive, Canon? WHY!?? How on earth could they call $16,000 "aggresive" pricing to compete with the Fs7. They're just spitting on the little guys with this, it's unfathomable how out of touch they are. This camera should be $12,000, tops. It just does not offer enough new to justify that price with so much competition out there.

Ya, it certainly outdoes the Fs7 in every category. But it is nowhere near enough to be worth double the price. As a small video/indy film producer, this is just too far out of budget. My friend's been waiting to bite on the Fs7 since it was first announced, we've been dying to see what the C300 mk ii would offer. But this price is absurd and now he's abandoning Canon for Sony, like so many other low-budget filmmakers have already done and more will be doing.

I'm just so mad that Canon has learned nothing. I bought a C100 last January and was already pretty bitter that my timing couldn't have been worse. I was hoping the mk ii could be a justifiable upgrade in price for either the 100 or 300. The 100 offered nowhere near enough to justify upgrading and the 300 is quadruple the price! Guess I'll be going with a GH4 for 4K for now then dumping Canon in 2 or 3 years with my next upgrade. So sick of this BS.

[syder]

Ugh why is it SO expensive, Canon? WHY!?? How on earth could they call $16,000 "aggresive" pricing to compete with the Fs7. They're just spitting on the little guys with this, it's unfathomable how out of touch they are. This camera should be $12,000, tops. It just does not offer enough new to justify that price with so much competition out there.

Ya, it certainly outdoes the Fs7 in every category. But it is nowhere near enough to be worth double the price. As a small video/indy film producer, this is just too far out of budget. My friend's been waiting to bite on the Fs7 since it was first announced, we've been dying to see what the C300 mk ii would offer. But this price is absurd and now he's abandoning Canon for Sony, like so many other low-budget filmmakers have already done and more will be doing.

I'm just so mad that Canon has learned nothing. I bought a C100 last January and was already pretty bitter that my timing couldn't have been worse. I was hoping the mk ii could be a justifiable upgrade in price for either the 100 or 300. The 100 offered nowhere near enough to justify upgrading and the 300 is quadruple the price! Guess I'll be going with a GH4 for 4K for now then dumping Canon in 2 or 3 years with my next upgrade. So sick of this BS.

This camera clearly isn't designed for you. If a GH4 is good enough for your needs you absolutely don't need this. The C300 has been the camera of choice for a lot of broadcast work and for many movies as a B/C camera. This is designed to fulfill a similar role for the next few years, not to compete with consumer cameras like the GH4.

For the designated use the price is something that will pale in comparison to the other costs involved in production. And for a serious professional it would be money that is made back relatively quickly, just like the original C300.

It costs more than the FS7, and everything points to it being a better camera. It costs less than an Alexa and will be a worse camera. The value Canon proposition for professionals at the moment is the C300 mark i. For people who work in broadcast 4K isn't yet needed, and with the massive price cut, the C300 is a bargain if you don't need 4K. And unless you're working for 4K DCP systems in commercial cinemas most people really don't.

[sheedoe]

I want this camera. Is anyone looking to buy a kidney in the next 5 months? 

[painya]

So they took a hint from Magic Lantern with Dual ISO 

[Woody]

Well if it is only 15 stops in HD then it might not be anything new at all regarding better sensors coming from Canon. If it is 15 stops at 4k then it is something.

They just took a page from the dual ISO function in MagicLantern. Works at both HD and 4k.

[LOLID]

Can someone help me understanding why people are saying that this new C300 "outperforms" in every ways the FS7?
It is a real question, not condescending or sarcastic. I do want to understand...

4K = FS7 @ 60fps vs C300 II @ 30fps
1080p = FS7 @ 180fps vs C300 II @ 120 fps
Codec = FS7 @ 600mbps vs C300 II @ 410 mbps
Both external 4K raw recording
Ergonomics = in favor of FS7
Price = 2 FS7 vs 1 C300 II, WTF???
The only difference in favor of Canon would be the 15 DR vs 14 DR, not a huge difference.
I read, that FOR SURE (sarcasm here), color rendering would be in favor this all new C300, but in any event if one records raw, doesn't one edit colors in post?
O.

[David_in_Seattle]

Can someone help me understanding why people are saying that this new C300 "outperforms" in every ways the FS7?
It is a real question, not condescending or sarcastic. I do want to understand...

4K = FS7 @ 60fps vs C300 II @ 30fps
1080p = FS7 @ 180fps vs C300 II @ 120 fps
Codec = FS7 @ 600mbps vs C300 II @ 410 mbps
Both external 4K raw recording
Ergonomics = in favor of FS7
Price = 2 FS7 vs 1 C300 II, WTF???
The only difference in favor of Canon would be the 15 DR vs 14 DR, not a huge difference.
I read, that FOR SURE (sarcasm here), color rendering would be in favor this all new C300, but in any event if one records raw, doesn't one edit colors in post?
O.

I'm not a Canon rep, but I would assume they are claiming that when compared at the same recording settings the c300 mk2 outperforms the FS7.  Yes, the FS7 has more recording capabilities such as 4k at 60p, but at 4k 30p the Canon has higher dynamic range, less noise, etc. etc.  Then again, who knows?  It's all just marketing.  In the end, both cameras are great at what they can do.

[PureClassA]

Well, Black Magic just released a a whole new firmware for their URSA cameras, which included firmware support a MkII Sensor that hasn't been announced yet.  120FPS in 4K RAW.  Who wants to bet we see it tomorrow....  If they fixed their excessive FPN problem with this new sensor, it looks like I'll be looking to buy an URSA down the road.  $5995 vs $15995 .... 

[verysimplejason]

Well, Black Magic just released a a whole new firmware for their URSA cameras, which included firmware support a MkII Sensor that hasn't been announced yet.  120FPS in 4K RAW.  Who wants to bet we see it tomorrow....  If they fixed their excessive FPN problem with this new sensor, it looks like I'll be looking to buy an URSA down the road.  $5995 vs $15995 ....

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[syder]

Well, Black Magic just released a a whole new firmware for their URSA cameras, which included firmware support a MkII Sensor that hasn't been announced yet.  120FPS in 4K RAW.  Who wants to bet we see it tomorrow....  If they fixed their excessive FPN problem with this new sensor, it looks like I'll be looking to buy an URSA down the road.  $5995 vs $15995 ....

And unless BM have transformed their lowlight performance you're buying a camera that is only usable in the studio. The C100 looks better at ISO20k than the BM4k does at 1600. And thew C300mkii should be significantly better than the old C100. And that's ignoring every other issue that has plagued every camera BM have released. You might not need a reliable camera, but professionals do.

6k for a studio only camera that might work or 16k for a 15 stops of DR at high ISO in a trusted package. If you had the money - and anyone working with a professional budget outside of a newly graduated one-man production company does - there isn't much of a decision to make.