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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow and Equipment
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2015, 03:21:54 PM »
mkabi,

Thank you very much for your response! Since we will 'likely' also be shooting a wedding it knocks us down to two cameras and the available lenses. I have never tinkered with any video editing software and am not certain how long I should anticipate the editing process to last, especially with the learning curve it will bring with it.

I will definitely look into Premier, Final Cut 7, DaVinci, and After Effects.

This is a terrific start, thank you again!
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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow and Equipment
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2015, 03:21:54 PM »

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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2015, 03:31:13 PM »
In addition to your lav mics.I"d recommend the Rode Videomic shotgun for ON camera:

http://www.amazon.com/Rode-Videomic-Shotgun-Microphone-Rycote/dp/B00CAE8PM4

It has been a workhorse for me.

Also, I think you said you're shooting with 5D3's too. It is VERY important to get white balance right IN camera. You don't have the dynamic range of a RAW still photo (unless you want to delve into Magic Lantern and do RAW video..I'm about to try that, but don't start with that added bit of complexity).....I use the ExpoDisc to shoot a still of where I"m about to video..and set custom WB with that...worth its weight in gold:

http://www.amazon.com/ExpoDisc-EXPOD2-77-Professional-Balance-Filter/dp/B00GUQJZCW

I have also found the Xrite Passport to be very useful, you can shoot video of this in your lighting situation, and in Davinci Resolve map to it for almost instant color correction before you start grading. I bought mine as a special combo with the Sekonic L-478 DR Light meter which works for stills AND video....

But the Xrite by itself:

http://www.amazon.com/X-Rite-MSCCPP-ColorChecker-Passport/dp/B002NU5UW8

Getting that WB is a HUGE thing to get right,especially if you cannot control the lighting situation fully to make sure all lights are the same color temperature. That was a huge hurdle I had to learn to overcome in early shooting....I do cooking videos, and I swapped EVERY light in my kitchen/living room area to the same color temp lights as my set lighting on stands with soft boxes..etc....

Anyway, just posting this in spurts...hope it helps.

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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2015, 03:47:44 PM »
cayenne,

That helps tremendously!

I was just watching videos done by some of the high-end pros in the area to see where I could improve the overall quality of our product. One of the factors I kept noticing was white balance issues. Sometimes they would have three different cameras going and all three had a noticeably different white balance setting. I have become so used to fixing white balance in post that I was thinking it would be a fairly non-issue to do on the video format. Thanks for the heads up there!

I am decently familiar with setting the custom white balance, but will dedicate some serious hours into getting it nailed prior to my first shoot coming up. Fortunately for me, my first video gig is a fairly small birthday party, but I still want to improve as much as I can even before that event.

I'm starting to really see the value in having a videographer who has the right equipment and knows what they are doing. I shoot ~50 weddings per year and have yet to have worked with an exceptionally great videographer. With that, I'm trying to learn as much as I can to fill that void in our market. With that, I will certainly go ahead and look into the links you placed.

Thank you again!
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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2015, 05:48:36 PM »
In video white balance presets, or even manaul are your friend when you have time.

I generally shoot with a calumet greyscale reference card at the head of the clip in each new location.  So long as my WB is consistent and fairly close, it's easy to fix.  Auto WB could be doing anything.  Confused by terracota walls, confused by a blue dress, confused by the stained glass.  Auto WB, like auto anything in video.... bad news.

The biggest thing as I said, is that video is contiguous, not selected moments where everything worked.  No disrespect to photographers (who have great AF and LR) intended.  Nope.  None at all.
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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2015, 10:15:26 PM »
The biggest thing as I said, is that video is contiguous, not selected moments where everything worked.  No disrespect to photographers (who have great AF and LR) intended.  Nope.  None at all.

None taken.

I have respect for videographers and great respect for great videographers. I was watching a video this afternoon and the garter toss was only in focus during ~30% of the clip. Realistically though, if I was photographing the same scene and only got a third of my shots in focus, I would edit the 33% and disregard the others. Videographers, to an extent, do not have that luxury.

Now it's on to manual focus practice. Suddenly I wish the screens on the 5D3 were significantly bigger...

Cheers!
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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2015, 10:53:33 AM »
RickSpringfield,

Thank you very  much for your input and links!

I'm getting the idea of just how expensive and time consuming all of this is, yet it's still exciting! We have ~50 weddings coming up this year, almost all of which will not have a serious videographer. I have considered talking with some of them after I feel like I have a quality product that I can produce. For starters we will be working with very simple events like initial engagement sessions and parties, but working our way into the wedding videography industry.

The equipment links, tutorial links, and advice are all invaluable information at this stage of the process. I have already begun learning all that I can prior to my first small video gig (a birthday party we are shooting on the 25th), but even just creating a finished product is going to come with a huge learning curve.

I have considered your idea of the fake wedding before, and am glad to hear it reiterated. Just like my first wedding to photograph, I know I'll have to do my best to bring nerves of steel to our first wedding video, even if it is a fake wedding.

Thank you again for everything,
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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2015, 12:57:43 PM »
The biggest thing as I said, is that video is contiguous, not selected moments where everything worked.  No disrespect to photographers (who have great AF and LR) intended.  Nope.  None at all.

None taken.

I have respect for videographers and great respect for great videographers. I was watching a video this afternoon and the garter toss was only in focus during ~30% of the clip. Realistically though, if I was photographing the same scene and only got a third of my shots in focus, I would edit the 33% and disregard the others. Videographers, to an extent, do not have that luxury.

Now it's on to manual focus practice. Suddenly I wish the screens on the 5D3 were significantly bigger...

Cheers!
-Tabor

I let things drift in and out of focus, but it's usually in a predicatable way.  With video you might find that you use smaller apertures, wider angles, and zone focusing more frequently.   Something being out of focus at the start or end of a shot isn't always the end of the world.  So long as the shot motiviation is at the focus bite point.

It's not rocket science or I couldn't do it, but working in both disciplines, I think video is harder.  In some ways.
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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2015, 12:57:43 PM »

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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2015, 01:35:17 AM »
Hey everyone!

So here is my very first video. I am now heavily investing in audio recording equipment and stabilization. I learned a ton from my first experience, and would value your feedback.

Thank you again for being the amazing people you are, and I hope you enjoy the show!

http://photosbytabor.com/brodys-birthday-video-tulsa-cinematographers/

Cheers!
-Tabor
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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2015, 01:27:10 PM »
Hey everyone!

So here is my very first video. I am now heavily investing in audio recording equipment and stabilization. I learned a ton from my first experience, and would value your feedback.

Thank you again for being the amazing people you are, and I hope you enjoy the show!

http://photosbytabor.com/brodys-birthday-video-tulsa-cinematographers/

Cheers!
-Tabor
Hm.....I got audio, but saw no video....
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« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2015, 01:07:57 PM »
Hey everyone!

So here is my very first video. I am now heavily investing in audio recording equipment and stabilization. I learned a ton from my first experience, and would value your feedback.

Thank you again for being the amazing people you are, and I hope you enjoy the show!

http://photosbytabor.com/brodys-birthday-video-tulsa-cinematographers/

Cheers!
-Tabor
Hm.....I got audio, but saw no video....
:(

That's odd! I wonder I just checked on my side and it all seems to be working fine. I wonder if anyone else has had that problem.

Here is the Vimeo direct link; https://vimeo.com/127223798

Thank you very much for letting me know! I'll see if there is anything I can tweak.

Cheers!
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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2015, 01:13:42 PM »
Hey everyone!

So here is my very first video. I am now heavily investing in audio recording equipment and stabilization. I learned a ton from my first experience, and would value your feedback.

Thank you again for being the amazing people you are, and I hope you enjoy the show!

http://photosbytabor.com/brodys-birthday-video-tulsa-cinematographers/

Cheers!
-Tabor
Hm.....I got audio, but saw no video....
:(

That's odd! I wonder I just checked on my side and it all seems to be working fine. I wonder if anyone else has had that problem.

Here is the Vimeo direct link; https://vimeo.com/127223798

Thank you very much for letting me know! I'll see if there is anything I can tweak.

Cheers!
-Tabor

I can view just fine with the Vimeo link.  Just had to make sure the tissue box was nearby.  Great narration and great story.  In the end, the story is the most important aspect of a video and you nailed it.  The rest of the production will improve as you get more experience recording and editing video.
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Very cute! Very good effort!!

Only a few nit picky things....white balance looked off on some shots, and scene matching was off due to this, was a bit jarring in transitions.

Also, maybe cut some sequences a bit tighter in edit...some pans went a bit too long and were past what was interesting in the shot, so just a little tighter editing.

Lastly...perhaps just a bit of image stabilization in post would have helped a few of the shots that were bouncing around a bit much....

But the story conveyed was great....and I enjoyed watching it. Especially considering this is a very early effort, it looks fantastic. Keep up the good work.

Oh..one other thing I might suggest, and I've had to learn this myself since I'm a one man one camera band too....look ahead to do some cheats, perhaps stage with adults or some of the other kids after singing happy Bday to the start of the show...to film people singing the happy birthday son...and that way you could simulate a multi-camera shot by cutting back and forth a couple times to the birthday boy, and to the guests singing to him....

After awhile you start figuring out lots of cheats to do to make it look like a multi-camera shoot...

Anyway, again, great effort...keep on shooting and posting!!  Anxious to see your next productions!!
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Hi Cayenne,

Thank you very much for the 'good effort' compliment and your input!

I knew going in that white balance was going to be tricky. I am so used to shooting RAW and fixing WB in post that I failed to realize just how off the camera can be. I've downloaded Ray Roman's videos on Creative Live and he mentioned adjusting WB using the K scale for every scene. I think I'll try my hand at that, but if there is another way, I would be all ears.

I wish I could tighten a little more, but in the end, I just didn't have enough shots. I have a wedding coming up in a little over a week which is more my forte. I shoot ~50 weddings a year so I'm hoping to be more in my element in terms of the quantity and quality of the shots I attain. Also, the wedding is the first free gig I've ever offered. They are an amazing couple and we have two photographers shooting the wedding so I'll be the tag along video guy.

I very much like your idea of using 'cheats'. We are fortunate in having enough gear to keep everyone busy so for the upcoming wedding my wife and our third photographer will each have a 5D3, myself and an assistant videographer (with more experience on the video front than me), will also have a 5D3, and we'll keep a 5D2 handy but stationary for reactions, aisle, etc.

I also just dropped about $2,100 at B&H getting more video gear, (man this video stuff is expensive). I think that I should be good to go from here, but also am humbled enough to know that I'm about to enter a whole new learning curve with this upcoming wedding. The gear I got was;

Davis & Sanford 75mm PRO VISTA VIDEO TRIPD w/FM18 HEAD
Hosa Technology Y-CABLE/ PHONE/M to 2/RCA/M - 3.3'
Hosa Technology PRO MIC CABLE REAN XLR3/F TO M CBL 5'
Hosa Technology Y-CABLE/ XLR/F to 2/XLR/M - 18"
Hosa Technology REAN 1/4"TRS PHN/M to XLR3/M CBL - 5'
Hosa Technology ADAPTER- XLR/F to XLR/F (GENDER CHANG)
Sennheiser EW112P G3 LAV SYS (A)
Zoom H4N HANDY MOBILE 4-TRACK USB RECORDER
Olympus WS-822 DIGITAL VOICE RECORDER-GNMTL
Tram TR-50+ MIC f/SENN EW (BLK)
Dedolight DLH4 LIGHT HEAD w/DT24-1 150w/120v PAC
Switronix 220w DMMBL VARI CLR ON CAMR LHT/REMOTE

If there is anything else you can think of, please feel free to let me know. I have a good, but not great, monopod and am thinking I should be set, but know I'll find what I'm missing soon enough.

Anyway, apologies for the long post, and I look forward to showing you, (and all the kind folks who also read this thread), the upcoming wedding.

Thank you again!
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Hi Cayenne,

Thank you very much for the 'good effort' compliment and your input!

I knew going in that white balance was going to be tricky. I am so used to shooting RAW and fixing WB in post that I failed to realize just how off the camera can be. I've downloaded Ray Roman's videos on Creative Live and he mentioned adjusting WB using the K scale for every scene. I think I'll try my hand at that, but if there is another way, I would be all ears.

I wish I could tighten a little more, but in the end, I just didn't have enough shots. I have a wedding coming up in a little over a week which is more my forte. I shoot ~50 weddings a year so I'm hoping to be more in my element in terms of the quantity and quality of the shots I attain. Also, the wedding is the first free gig I've ever offered. They are an amazing couple and we have two photographers shooting the wedding so I'll be the tag along video guy.

I very much like your idea of using 'cheats'. We are fortunate in having enough gear to keep everyone busy so for the upcoming wedding my wife and our third photographer will each have a 5D3, myself and an assistant videographer (with more experience on the video front than me), will also have a 5D3, and we'll keep a 5D2 handy but stationary for reactions, aisle, etc.

I also just dropped about $2,100 at B&H getting more video gear, (man this video stuff is expensive). I think that I should be good to go from here, but also am humbled enough to know that I'm about to enter a whole new learning curve with this upcoming wedding. The gear I got was;

Davis & Sanford 75mm PRO VISTA VIDEO TRIPD w/FM18 HEAD
Hosa Technology Y-CABLE/ PHONE/M to 2/RCA/M - 3.3'
Hosa Technology PRO MIC CABLE REAN XLR3/F TO M CBL 5'
Hosa Technology Y-CABLE/ XLR/F to 2/XLR/M - 18"
Hosa Technology REAN 1/4"TRS PHN/M to XLR3/M CBL - 5'
Hosa Technology ADAPTER- XLR/F to XLR/F (GENDER CHANG)
Sennheiser EW112P G3 LAV SYS (A)
Zoom H4N HANDY MOBILE 4-TRACK USB RECORDER
Olympus WS-822 DIGITAL VOICE RECORDER-GNMTL
Tram TR-50+ MIC f/SENN EW (BLK)
Dedolight DLH4 LIGHT HEAD w/DT24-1 150w/120v PAC
Switronix 220w DMMBL VARI CLR ON CAMR LHT/REMOTE

If there is anything else you can think of, please feel free to let me know. I have a good, but not great, monopod and am thinking I should be set, but know I'll find what I'm missing soon enough.

Anyway, apologies for the long post, and I look forward to showing you, (and all the kind folks who also read this thread), the upcoming wedding.

Thank you again!
-Tabor

LOL...yeah, and you thought regular photography was a trip down the rabbits hole. The video bug is even WORSE.
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One thing I'd suggest and will really help you on WB. Get yourself one (or a few) of these:

http://www.amazon.com/ExpoDisc-EXPOD2-82-Professional-Balance-Filter/dp/B00O4CWC4C

The expo disc will really help you when out and about.  You stand in the position of where you subjects are, looking back where you will be taking the picture...and snap a pic with the expo disc over the lens. You likely need to turn AF off (which it should be for video anyway).....and get a good exposure shot of the expo disk.

Then you go into your camera and set the custom WB to be that shot, and voila....correct WB.

I live by this thing and should really help you when filming in various lighting conditions during the day on that wedding.

Keep up the good work. The nice thing about coming into video from photo is, that you already understand composition, so you've ahead of the game over someone just coming in cold to start doing video.

Good luck and looking forward to seeing the wedding stuff!!
:)

By the way, what is your workflow for post? What are you using for editing and coloring your video? Are you shooting the video flat for later correction/grading, or are you using one of the built in styles of the canon?

Thanks,

cayenne

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I was using one of the Canon presets, but will be shooting the wedding fairly flat and editing in post. I know it will likely take more of my time, but I think I'll be able to really make the video my own. Plus, I'm sure I'll edit faster as time goes on, so I might as well go ahead and start here.

Thank you very much for the advice/insight on the expo disc! It looks wonderful, and I'm glad to hear that it actually does work like it is supposed to! WB, focus, and stabilization are all a must so anything to help with those is a must-have for me.

Thank you again for your help! First wedding in T minus 2 days!
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