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New 1D series blew out my arm!
« on: January 23, 2017, 04:18:02 PM »
I picked up a used 1D mkIV, my first 1D series camera with built in grip. My main camera is 5D series (first mkII and now mkIII), so I am used to a fairly heavy body. I have never had an issue (though I often use a tripod).

I used the 1D mkIV with my 70-200 f2.8 handheld for a couple hours at a private photo shoot at a wild cat center. (I had my tripod but ended up not using it). Ever since that trip almost three weeks ago my right elbow has been hurting when I use it for anything (even brushing teeth). Went to urgent care today and I have tendonitis (aka tennis elbow), presumably as a result of the shoot with the heavy gear.

So if anyone is considering a 1D series, make sure you are careful and use a strap or tripod whenever possible. (I stupidly did not get a strap so I carried it by hand the entire time).

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New 1D series blew out my arm!
« on: January 23, 2017, 04:18:02 PM »

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Re: New 1D series blew out my arm!
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2017, 04:47:52 PM »
Sorry for your health issues!

I sometimes use a shoulder strap with my 1D X, but often I'm just holding it in one hand. I do find that using the E1hand strap takes much of the strain, and I have not had any joint issues whatsoever.
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Re: New 1D series blew out my arm!
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2017, 05:18:26 PM »
As someone who has had both varieties of elbow epicondylitis (tennis & golfers) I can strongly advise the following:

- Get yourself a "Theraband flexbar" of the approriate grade (it was blue for me, but I lift heavy weights)
- Google the "Tyler Twist" exercise and get to it.
- Avoid the temptation to use anti-inflammatories and don't waste money on elbow compression straps.

That will fix your problem, and let you get back to enjoying your new camera.
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Re: New 1D series blew out my arm!
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2017, 05:40:22 PM »
I had to sell my 1D MK IV a few years back after suffering carpal tunnel in my hands, and pinching nerves in my arm and shoulder.  I've regained some use since then, but just saw my surgeon about possible arm surgery due to the pinched nerves, so I'm going to avoid anything heavier than my 5D MK III.

I don't know if the camera caused the issue, or using my computer mouse to edit images by the 1000's, but it has been painful.

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Re: New 1D series blew out my arm!
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2017, 08:18:59 PM »
@GammyKnee - thanks for the tip! This video seems to confirm your endorsement:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we4UoiKG3Co

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Re: New 1D series blew out my arm!
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2017, 10:11:36 PM »
If I'm going to be shooting at a location for any extended period (i.e. like your wild cat centre), I always have it on a shoulder strap and use a monopod whenever possible. I'm slightly built and have never had any arm/elbow issues.
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Re: New 1D series blew out my arm!
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2017, 03:45:34 PM »
I had to sell my 1D MK IV a few years back after suffering carpal tunnel in my hands, and pinching nerves in my arm and shoulder.  I've regained some use since then, but just saw my surgeon about possible arm surgery due to the pinched nerves, so I'm going to avoid anything heavier than my 5D MK III.

I don't know if the camera caused the issue, or using my computer mouse to edit images by the 1000's, but it has been painful.

I got "mouse finger" a couple of years ago and went over to a touchpad, which cured the problem.
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Re: New 1D series blew out my arm!
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2017, 12:46:30 AM »
Are you absolutely sure the camera caused it? These elbow pains can manifest from just about anything - a jerk while opening the car door, twist while sleeping etc. etc.

The camera is not that heavy to necessarily cause this. IMHO.

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Re: New 1D series blew out my arm!
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2017, 05:53:40 PM »
Giving an update to an old thread. My arm did heal (took a few months) and I did use the 1D4 with a tripod mostly (and with a strap when not). However I just never got used to it being so heavy. Since I have always used the 5D series which are robust, I thought the small increase in weight would not be an issue. But it was.

So today I sent off both bodies (1D4 and 5D3) plus one lens to KEH and will get enough for a 5D4 to replace both previous bodies. I ordered a refurbished 5D4 last night from Canon. Based on my experience I would encourage those wishing to upgrade to a 1D series to try one out before you buy it to see if it will be comfortable for you.

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Re: New 1D series blew out my arm!
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2017, 07:15:17 PM »
The problem isn't in the gear, it is in the user's lack of conditioning. I had the same issue a while back, following the first time in a long time hand-holding a Big (well, Medium - 400 f/5.6L) White during a birding day, found the next day that my ulnar (funny-bone) side elbow hurt a lot when I tried to pick up things. I have recovered due to rest and re-conditioning. The disorder you describe is likely medial epicondylitis, AKA golfer's elbow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golfer%27s_elbow
You can do various stretching exercises involving the wrist and elbow movements, as seen in a good many YouTube physiotherapy videos and pdf patient handouts. In addition to these, I used a flexible rubber bar for resistance: http://info.thera-bandacademy.com/flexbarelbowmedial

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Re: New 1D series blew out my arm!
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2017, 08:26:34 PM »
I did (and still do) use the rubber bar as part of recovery. Someone early on this thread suggested it, for which I am grateful.

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Re: New 1D series blew out my arm!
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2017, 08:52:40 PM »
It might have been me. I swear by it. It stays out in my exercise nook along with the teensie (1#, 2#, 5#) dumbbells, as a reminder to work the wrists once in a while. Squats and lunges may be great, but they aren't everything.

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Re: New 1D series blew out my arm!
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2017, 08:56:28 PM »
Ouch.

I agree with Neuro.  A hand strap and good neck strap are helpful.  I like Peak Design.

It is heavy and with the big whites, it may not be for you.

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I picked up a used 1D mkIV, my first 1D series camera with built in grip. My main camera is 5D series (first mkII and now mkIII), so I am used to a fairly heavy body. I have never had an issue (though I often use a tripod).

I used the 1D mkIV with my 70-200 f2.8 handheld for a couple hours at a private photo shoot at a wild cat center. (I had my tripod but ended up not using it). Ever since that trip almost three weeks ago my right elbow has been hurting when I use it for anything (even brushing teeth). Went to urgent care today and I have tendonitis (aka tennis elbow), presumably as a result of the shoot with the heavy gear.

So if anyone is considering a 1D series, make sure you are careful and use a strap or tripod whenever possible. (I stupidly did not get a strap so I carried it by hand the entire time).
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Re: New 1D series blew out my arm!
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2017, 08:10:03 PM »
Funnily enough, I miss the weight of the 1D cameras. I ditched them as the 1DX (and X2) obviously moved more toward speed, and I had been using the 1Ds line for the sake of resolution/image quality. (Remember, when the 1Ds2 came out it was the only SLR which could match medium format for resolution at the time.) As the 5D line took up the resolution/image quality race, I started using those with grips. Still didn't feel right so I went back to the 1Ds3 and took to just stacking files to get higher resolutions and cleaner images. Now since the 5DS R I've not been able to justify sticking with the 1Ds3, and I got a Phase as well for when image stacking isn't an option and I need high quality in a single shot... but I miss that 1D feel. I miss the dimensions. I miss the grip. I miss not having a mode dial. I miss slamming those big batteries in. I miss the shutter sounds (especially the 1Ds2, which sounds like something from a sci-fi film). I miss the cushion shutter. Most of all, I miss the weight. Yeah, the Phase is just as heavy, but it's heavy in a different way, the balance is all off, and the very nature of it means it lives on a tripod, not in my hand. It's not the same as having a 1D in your hand all day.

... And I can barely walk, most mornings. Too much carrying heavy camera equipment and heavy music equipment. No one incident, just built up over a period of about three years. Two spine surgeries, some permanent loss of feeling in both legs, often have to rely on a walking stick in the mornings. I'm 30 and my back is more broken down than my father's, who's in his 60s.

I can still hold a 600mm shot steady at 1/100th without IS, but boy, I can't carry that lens to and from its destination. I can lift a 1D but I can't use it for a shoot. About 2 minutes of shooting is my maximum with gear like that now, handheld. Obviously a tripod negates that but there's not much advantage to a 1D when it's on a tripod; those things are meant to be in the thick of action.

Moral is, even if you don't have one big incident where your body suffers, carrying around heavy gear will build up if you're not a professional weight lifter. For OP it was one afternoon. A friend of mine developed severe muscle and joint problems in their left arm and shoulder six months after they happened to purchase a particularly heavy guitar, and was playing it nearly every day. For me it was three years. For someone else it might be ten years. But it'll be there, however sudden or slow it may be.

I love those heavy 1D bodies. My dream camera is still basically a 5DS R but in a 1D body. But yeah, it's not worth it. Never ignore your body telling you to stop. Doesn't matter if it's a heavy body or a heavy lens, a heavy bag full of gear, or whatever. Cut out what you don't need, and look for lighter alternatives for the things you do need. No piece of equipment, no matter how objectively great it may be or how much you like it, is worth damaging your body for.

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Re: New 1D series blew out my arm!
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2017, 08:51:26 PM »
I love 1d series cameras, as they have amazingly comfortable grip. So, even though it's heavier than 5d series, the handling is very comfortable and easy.

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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2017, 08:51:26 PM »