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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2017, 11:40:03 AM »
Listen up, Canon. 1) Please improve ISO performance by at least 1-1.5 stops. 2) Increase DR. 3) Add 1-2 FPS 4) Flip screen.

If need be, reduce MP to accomplish this. Now it will be a much improved all-round camera especially for wildlife, BIF, sports etc.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2017, 11:40:03 AM »

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2017, 11:48:34 AM »
Listen up, Canon. 1) Please improve ISO performance by at least 1-1.5 stops. 2) Increase DR. 3) Add 1-2 FPS 4) Flip screen.

If need be, reduce MP to accomplish this. Now it will be a much improved all-round camera especially for wildlife, BIF, sports etc.

1) I wish you luck with that.

2) Done.  That's a 100% certainty with a move to on-chip ADC, though it won't be a game-changing bump.

3) Possible.  Perhaps a reasonable ask if the 7D3 is being accelerated because of the D500's sales.

4) That's a really tough one.  This rig is supposed to be the war horse sort of product the 1-series is.  I could see Canon playing it ultra-conservative and leave a tilty-flippy out of a 7D3.  I see future 5D rigs with a tilty-flippy, but the 1-series and 7-series may end up getting them last.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2017, 11:49:53 AM »
I think some people are going to lose their minds over this news.

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I think those "some people" lost their minds way before they took up photography. There is an insanity that occurs when Canon launch a new camera....it's really very bizarre. I tend to avoid all camera forums for at least 2 weeks to be free from that particular weirdness.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2017, 11:51:37 AM »
Dont we already have a 7D mark II?  :o


Here is one of sample pics from D500, its quite impressive camera and I know a lot of birders(who came to Canon system after 1st 7D as Nikon didnt release replacement to D300/s and now are back to shooting Nikon with D500 and 200-500mm lens)
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2017, 11:54:09 AM »
Finally, Here comes the right time to merge XXD series with 7D line up.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2017, 12:17:05 PM »
may be still no 4k but instead come with 1080p 60fps !!

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2017, 12:29:33 PM »
I think the prediction might be a bit premature. I was expecting the second half of 2018.

Predicting new bodies based on past refresh cycles is a sure way to be wrong. Canon releases bodies when the technology and market is ready, not by some arbitrary schedule.

This should give us about a year of ridiculously raised expectations (1-1/1/2 stops high ISO noise improvement) followed by the inevitable disappointment and howls of how Canon is doomed.

I'm with the skeptics about the 90D release. I expect the 7DIII will have a new sensor and I expect Canon will go back to the original pattern of putting the new sensor into the XXD model six months to a year after it goes into the 7DIII. (Also possible the 7DIII gets a unique sensor that will never trickle down, but that would be out of character.)

Guaranteed:

On chip ADC will improve dynamic range a bit and may improve noise a bit;
Fully functional touch screen, wifi, nfc, blue tooth, GPS, etc.;
Next generation of autofocus (whatever that may be);
Another frame or two of fps speed;
Incremental improvements in sealing, build, etc.;
Multiple f8 focus points.

Likely:

Increase in mp count
First 4K in crop sensor

Possible:

One CFast and one CF Card slot to match 1DX II;
Next generation of the 5DIV post-exposure focus adjustment
Might be paired with the announcement of the mysterious 150-500/600 unicorn zoom.

I was worried that with the release of the 6DII this forum would have nothing new to fight about. Looks like that problem has been solved.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2017, 12:29:33 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2017, 12:53:50 PM »
The 7dmk2 is coming...but already here...but....

omg

(head explodes)

This should be interesting. The d500 rains all over the meh 7d2's parade already wet parade. The AF spread alone is spectacular. Auto AF tine tuning? Oh, apparently Canon doesn't think we want that.

Personally I hope the 7d2 tanks from here on in, so it can help dear ol' canon revive this once great line. 7d2= 'meh' sauce. and man do i despise that sensor. 7d3 has a chance to bring it back to glory.

Even the original 6d got more buzz then the 7d2.
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2017, 01:00:48 PM »
The 7D2 is a great camera but i think Canon made a few mistakes:

1. leaving out the touchscreen - really? Including DPAF and leaving out touchscreen was strange. Basically every camera after the 7D2 has touchscreen, including the cheapest and most expensive one, the toughest and the most plasticky.

2. WIFI - I think Canon regretted this and tried to fix it later with the wifi "SD card"




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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2017, 01:06:27 PM »
This is my experience as well the photographers that I know who are birders are on the d500 and the 200-500 lens.  They take some really nice images.  The two I know rather well have both moved from the tamron lenses to the Nikon.  They claim that the autofocus system is the best but they miss as many captures as I do with the 5D4.  Their high iso images don't seem too far behind the 5D4 despite the 1.5x Nikon crop. So improvement of the sensor would seem to be critical to match or exceed the Nikon.





Dont we already have a 7D mark II?  :o


Here is one of sample pics from D500, its quite impressive camera and I know a lot of birders(who came to Canon system after 1st 7D as Nikon didnt release replacement to D300/s and now are back to shooting Nikon with D500 and 200-500mm lens)
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2017, 01:08:23 PM »
Just like the 70D - 7DII relationship, it will probably use a similar sensor to the 80D but with Dual Digic 7 processors (a bit better noise performance) and a revamped AF and metering system (no more AF points but more available with f/8 maximum aperture and tracking better) and slight ergonomic changes. Fixed touch screen like the 5D IV would be logical.

After that we will probably see a 5DSR replacement and maybe something new on the mirrorless line as well.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2017, 01:13:20 PM »
Predicting new bodies based on past refresh cycles is a sure way to be wrong. Canon releases bodies when the technology and market is ready, not by some arbitrary schedule.

Agree, but when's the last time a product line got refreshed faster than it did before?  I'm hard pressed to think of when that was.

I don't think any of us are sitting here with a stopwatch expecting our next [insert brand here] refresh in 3, 2, 1...  I'm just saying that Canon has bulked up the portfolio and can't just break into a gallop when it feels like it.

So, yes, the 7D3 could absolutely come next year, but it would be rather un-Canon-like to do so.   If it did, one would logically think the D500 + 200-500 combo was indeed doing market share damage to Canon such that it felt compelled to shake things up with their pipeline.  I can't really think of another reason why they wouldn't try to maximize the ROI on their '5-year mission' with the 7D line.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2017, 01:16:34 PM »
Guaranteed:

Likely:

Possible:

Good list.  Agree in broad strokes.

+1 on the unicorn  (longer than 400 without a T/C) super zoom coming out with it.  That's a no-brainer release pairing to me.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2017, 01:16:34 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2017, 01:32:20 PM »
in terms of stills shooting its not gonna blow the 1DX away so meh.

if they manage to make the sensor as good as D500, its gonna be something. that sensor is just superb for aps-c.
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2017, 01:37:49 PM »
...when's the last time a product line got refreshed faster than it did before?  I'm hard pressed to think of when that was...

...yes, the 7D3 could absolutely come next year, but it would be rather un-Canon-like to do so.   If it did, one would logically think the D500 + 200-500 combo was indeed doing market share damage to Canon such that it felt compelled to shake things up with their pipeline...

I think the 7D and 7D II timeline is misleading. There were a couple of unique factors from what I can tell. First, Nikon all but abandoned the market at the time, leaving the 7D with no competition. Second, there is some evidence that Canon was undertaking major changes in its manufacturing that may have delayed development of the 7DII. The firmware release of the 7D 1/2 was certainly unusual and kind of screws up any timeline for the 7D series.

Still, even with all that factored in, the refresh does seem to be coming sooner than expected (if the rumor is correct). I don't doubt for a minute that the D500 may have something to do with that -- although in terms of actual performance, the 7DII holds its own against the newer D500. (The sample photograph someone posted above that was shot with a D500 doesn't show anything that couldn't be done with a 7DII)

I would add that I think Canon did make a couple of errors with the 7DII by not including a full touch screen, full wifi and multiple f8 focus points. The fact that they released the wifi card is pretty strong evidence that they know they make a mistake on that front.

Finally, perception can be everything and even though the 7DII gives up very little ground to the D500, that is not what many people think. So I agree Canon may be feeling some competitive pressure.

If they release the 7DIII with a 500mm f5.6 "L" zoom that sells for $3,000 or less they will recapture any lost ground and then some. I personally hope they steer away from a cheap "consumer" zoom like Nikon's.


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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Coming First Half of 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2017, 01:37:49 PM »