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Re: Canon 100-400 L II vs Sigma 150-600 Contemporary
« Reply #75 on: October 31, 2017, 05:46:55 PM »
The 300/2.8 II is one of the best lenses available. My 300/2.8 + 2xTC gave some remarkable shots with excellent acutance and sets a very high standard that the 100-400mm II +1.4x can't match. However, the 300/2.8 + 2xTC is pretty slow focussing so if the 100-400mm II is slower, then something is wrong with either the lens or the camera.

Hi Alan, thats interesting. I havent done anything 'scientific' in terms of comparisons and I havent used it enough to form a fully rounded opinion but I would say focusing so far has been no better than 300+2x. How would you expect IQ to compare between the 300+2x and bare 100-400 II?
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Re: Canon 100-400 L II vs Sigma 150-600 Contemporary
« Reply #75 on: October 31, 2017, 05:46:55 PM »

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Re: Canon 100-400 L II vs Sigma 150-600 Contemporary
« Reply #76 on: October 31, 2017, 06:13:34 PM »
The 300/2.8 II is one of the best lenses available. My 300/2.8 + 2xTC gave some remarkable shots with excellent acutance and sets a very high standard that the 100-400mm II +1.4x can't match. However, the 300/2.8 + 2xTC is pretty slow focussing so if the 100-400mm II is slower, then something is wrong with either the lens or the camera.

Hi Alan, thats interesting. I havent done anything 'scientific' in terms of comparisons and I havent used it enough to form a fully rounded opinion but I would say focusing so far has been no better than 300+2x. How would you expect IQ to compare between the 300+2x and bare 100-400 II?

I have sold both my 300/2.8 and 5DIII but I still have test results as well loads of shots. The combination is particularly good. The 300x2 has 50% more reach than the 100-400mm II and it shows - it has 50% more resolution and not much less acutance. I am not without some remorse selling the 300mm, but I have the 400mm DO II and can't justify having both. The advantages of the 100-400mm II are simply it's a zoom, it is far lighter and focusses very close. It's my travel lens, and I like it on the 5DSR.
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Re: Canon 100-400 L II vs Sigma 150-600 Contemporary
« Reply #77 on: April 23, 2018, 04:12:27 PM »
Great post and I know its old but.... I have a somewhat opposite question.  I currently have the Canon 100-400 Mk I (on a 7D mkI). Yes both 1st generation.  I really like this lens/body combination.  However, I'm now looking for a more range and of course better low light capability (I photo only birds).

So... without spending $11K what would be the next lens in addition to the 100-400 MkI

FYI: I also have the 1.4x TC version 1 but rarely ever use it

Thanks,
Greg

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Re: Canon 100-400 L II vs Sigma 150-600 Contemporary
« Reply #78 on: April 23, 2018, 05:29:22 PM »

...So... without spending $11K what would be the next lens in addition to the 100-400 MkI

FYI: I also have the 1.4x TC version 1 but rarely ever use it...

Your choices for lenses would be either of the Sigma 150-600s, the Tamron 150-600 or the Canon 100-400 II. There is really nothing else in the under $2,500 range. If your upper limit is higher, you could look at the version I of either the Canon 500mm or Canon 600mm or the Sigma 500mm f4 Sport.

I have the Sigma C and it is a decent lens, although I generally prefer the Canon 100-400 II.

You've hit on the dilemma many people face.

APS-C gives you reach, but not low-light performance (Although both the 7DII and the 80D are much improved over the original 7D)

For low-light, the best compromise is probably the 5DIV, which has 7fps (not as good as the 7DII or 1DxII, but certainly usable). Of course, you lose some reach, but with 30 mp, you have some room to crop.

You might also want to upgrade the extender to the III version. Either the 80D or 5DIV, will give you multiple autofocus points at f8.

If I were in your shoes and I didn't want to buy or carry around one of the older big whites (weight being the major difference between the older and newer versions), I'd update the 100-400 and update the 7D, with a 5DIV or an 80D or 7DII (depending on budget). I believe I see significant improvement between the 100-400 versions I and II and you can sell the version I to make the switch a little less painful. Both the Sigma and Tamron 150-600s go on special regularly, so you could add one of those to your kit as an additional option.

In short, there is no ideal solution, but updating your kit might be the place to start.

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Re: Canon 100-400 L II vs Sigma 150-600 Contemporary
« Reply #79 on: April 23, 2018, 06:05:03 PM »
Great post and I know its old but.... I have a somewhat opposite question.  I currently have the Canon 100-400 Mk I (on a 7D mkI). Yes both 1st generation.  I really like this lens/body combination.  However, I'm now looking for a more range and of course better low light capability (I photo only birds).

So... without spending $11K what would be the next lens in addition to the 100-400 MkI

FYI: I also have the 1.4x TC version 1 but rarely ever use it

Thanks,
Greg

I think your best bet is a 150-600 Sigma. Without spending big, I think 600/6.3 is as much reach as you can get, with the benefit of it being very sharp at 600.

The reach is not going to be a lot longer than your 400+1.4, but 6.3 autofocuses better and is more usable than f8. If you like to shoot birds really close in the 100-400L2 is a princely lens that is a big improvement over the mark 1, including a much closer MFD.

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Re: Canon 100-400 L II vs Sigma 150-600 Contemporary
« Reply #80 on: April 23, 2018, 06:15:15 PM »
Great post and I know its old but.... I have a somewhat opposite question.  I currently have the Canon 100-400 Mk I (on a 7D mkI). Yes both 1st generation.  I really like this lens/body combination.  However, I'm now looking for a more range and of course better low light capability (I photo only birds).

So... without spending $11K what would be the next lens in addition to the 100-400 MkI

FYI: I also have the 1.4x TC version 1 but rarely ever use it

Thanks,
Greg


your situation is similar to what I went through.. had a 7D Mk1 and a 100-400 sigma (not the canon, but it died to excessive rain). I purchased the 80D as interim due to certain features and I recently purchased the Sigma C 150-600...

The 80D is cost effective and a significant leap over the 7d Mk1 on many levels, though I do miss the joystick and the fps... but I find way more keepers with the 80D and better recovery.

The 150-600mm is really quite sharp, though I find from time to time it seems to get stuck hunting for focus. I also tried the 150-600 with the sigma 1.4x TC (thinking it would only take sigma, but canon works) on the 80D, but found images got too soft and autofocus worked only on centre and was slower than useful. I may continue to play to find a balance, but I regret buying the sigma TC and felt it was a waste of $... but the 150-600 has been worth it and a cost effective alternative to the higher end canons (they are a bit better, but that price!). Yes I was seeing it was possible to get equivalent to 950mm ;-) (600 x 1.4tc x 1.6crop)
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Re: Canon 100-400 L II vs Sigma 150-600 Contemporary
« Reply #81 on: April 23, 2018, 06:22:26 PM »
Great post and I know its old but.... I have a somewhat opposite question.  I currently have the Canon 100-400 Mk I (on a 7D mkI). Yes both 1st generation.  I really like this lens/body combination.  However, I'm now looking for a more range and of course better low light capability (I photo only birds).

So... without spending $11K what would be the next lens in addition to the 100-400 MkI

FYI: I also have the 1.4x TC version 1 but rarely ever use it

Thanks,
Greg


your situation is similar to what I went through.. had a 7D Mk1 and a 100-400 sigma (not the canon, but it died to excessive rain). I purchased the 80D as interim due to certain features and I recently purchased the Sigma C 150-600...

The 80D is cost effective and a significant leap over the 7d Mk1 on many levels, though I do miss the joystick and the fps... but I find way more keepers with the 80D and better recovery.

The 150-600mm is really quite sharp, though I find from time to time it seems to get stuck hunting for focus. I also tried the 150-600 with the sigma 1.4x TC (thinking it would only take sigma, but canon works) on the 80D, but found images got too soft and autofocus worked only on centre and was slower than useful. I may continue to play to find a balance, but I regret buying the sigma TC and felt it was a waste of $... but the 150-600 has been worth it and a cost effective alternative to the higher end canons (they are a bit better, but that price!).

This is exactly what I did, and I had the same experience as you :)

I am quite happy with 80D+150-600.

In comparison to the next step up cost-wise, which is 6DII or 5DIV + 100-400LII, the performance for bird portraits is excellent (better!) when there's enough light for fast shutter and low ISO, about the same around ISO 400-640 (trading more pixels/deeper crop for more noise), and poorer above ISO 800. 

For birds in flight, the challenge is always the autofocus, and the 150-600 just won't keep up in AF speed any of the much more expensive lenses.  On the other hand, the 100-400LII is a great handheld shooter, while the 150-600 is a little tougher.

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Re: Canon 100-400 L II vs Sigma 150-600 Contemporary
« Reply #81 on: April 23, 2018, 06:22:26 PM »

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Re: Canon 100-400 L II vs Sigma 150-600 Contemporary
« Reply #82 on: April 24, 2018, 01:15:25 AM »
Great post and I know its old but.... I have a somewhat opposite question.  I currently have the Canon 100-400 Mk I (on a 7D mkI). Yes both 1st generation.  I really like this lens/body combination.  However, I'm now looking for a more range and of course better low light capability (I photo only birds).

So... without spending $11K what would be the next lens in addition to the 100-400 MkI

FYI: I also have the 1.4x TC version 1 but rarely ever use it

Thanks,
Greg

You get a lot more low light capability for your dollar by going to FF.    If you are focal length limited with your crop, its going to cost you to get a faster and longer lens.

I'd suggest a FF body and crop the image as long as you don't have to crop too much.  You can move from 7D MK I to a 5D MK III and gain a lot of light sensitivity and reduced noise.


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Re: Canon 100-400 L II vs Sigma 150-600 Contemporary
« Reply #82 on: April 24, 2018, 01:15:25 AM »