November 22, 2017, 11:03:22 PM

Author Topic: Everyone Else Has One, Why Not us? Tamron to Announce 100-400mm F/4.5-6.3 Di VC USD  (Read 5673 times)

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<p>Now that Tamron and Sigma are both stepping on Canon’s 100-400mm toes, it’s time Canon get stepping on theirs with a 150-600mm zoom lens. Do you agree?</p>
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I do not agree. Canon could make much more money with "slow" primes below 2000$ like the following:

  • 300mm 4L IS ii (with or without integrated 1.4 extender)
  • 400mm 5.6 L IS (with or without integrated 1.4 extender)
  • 500mm 5.6/6.3 L IS

The 150-600ers are already quite good.

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Right now, thanks to their 200-500, D500 and now D850, wildlife and open field/long-distance sports photographers are switching, in droves, to Nikon.

Do you have any supportive evidence to this claim or it's it merely opinionated flatulence?
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Right now, thanks to their 200-500, D500 and now D850, wildlife and open field/long-distance sports photographers are switching, in droves, to Nikon.

Do you have any supportive evidence to this claim or it's it merely opinionated flatulence?

of course not and it's only speculation because such data does not exist

nowhere when buying the D500 + 200-500mm are you asked: "are you buying this because you're switching from *stupid* canon 7d2 + 100-400mm and because 500mm?"
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I am certain that a 150-600 or 200-600 would be popular, but I will continue to wait for a:

300mm f/3.5 or f/4 with or without IS, with or without DO
400mm f/5 or f/5.6 with or without IS, with or without DO
500mm f/5.6 with or without IS, with or without DO

All with decent AF, of course, and a reasonable price.

I realize that I will be waiting a long time.  Possibly as long as AHSanford has been waiting for a new 50mm 1.4, which I think is a sizeable fraction of eternity.

Now that Tamron and Sigma are both stepping on Canon’s 100-400mm toes, it’s time Canon get stepping on theirs with a 150-600mm zoom lens. Do you agree?</p>
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Phil995511

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"Now that Tamron and Sigma are both stepping on Canon’s 100-400mm toes, it’s time Canon get stepping on theirs with a 150-600mm zoom lens. Do you agree?"

It is certain that the more Canon takes time to release a 200-600 mm more they lose market share in favor of Sigma and Tamron, just as they lose market share in favor of Sony by refusing to intruduce advanced video functions in high-end boxes like the 5D MK IV. The paying C-Log firmware is a very bad advertisement for Canon and many other video functions would be needed (cf magic lantern for example).

Contrary to the announcements made, I will be very surprised that they release this model to F5,6 but rather to F6,3. They would risk to compete too much the lenses of type 500mm F4, 600mm F4, etc, unless they sell it at a very high price, as some of suggest it. They can compete with Sigma and Tamron only by offering an affordable price...
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I'd rather have a smaller 400mm f5.6. In the same way Nikon reduced the size of their older 300mm f4 by half, I'd like the same for the 400mm.

josephandrews222

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As for Canon, 200-500 is the way to go in terms of making a competitive product.

Frankly, I think the grass is always greener on the other side.  The 100-400LII is the finest zoom lens I've ever owned -- including the 70-200/2.8 IS II, and the 1.4x extender option gives it a very flexible focal range.  The weight, size and MFD are spectacular, plus 100-200mm is an amazingly useful if you want to keep the lens on the body without swapping a lot.  Plus it fits in holsters and spaces designed for 70-200/2.8 (which is a lot), and uses 77mm filters.

Its weakness is tree-fold: the price gives people who aren't really serious a double-take, the extender takes it to f/8 on the long end, and there is a natural greediness of wanting a longer telephoto.  I'll admit it; that's why I bought the 150-600 Sigma instead, first.

But until I used the 100-400 II, I really didn't appreciate how good it was for handheld shooting.  As a result, it's become my carry-around and stays with me almost all the time -- it's in my passenger seat holster, and nearly always the lens that I have in a backpack, messenger or holster most accessible to me.  I could never do that with any lens with 500mm+, unless it was something fancy like DO.

On planned outings, I still take my 150-600 and appreciate the focal length, but like a 200-500 (if Canon made one similar in size to Nikon), that would just be too large a lens to carry everywhere, which just reduces a lot of shooting opportunities.

An example, today -- tons of traffic, so instead of going home, I pulled into a park on the way for half an hour to allow it to mellow out, and just snapped a few pictures.  Got lucky and caught some nice pictures a hawk and a Killdeer (didn't know what that was, had to ID it after) :)

If I didn't have the 100-400LII, I would have ended up either waiting it out in a restaurant or toughing it out on the highway, neither of which is as fun or good for my health as a short hike :D


The Nikon 200-500 is amazing for the price and I think Canon needs something similar.

I agree.  I think the price point is what it all comes down to.  Add $250+ just for clear and polarizing filters, though.

I more-or-less confirm everything in this post.

The lens on my 5DMk3 (95% of the time)? The Canon 100-400 II. This lens, along with the EOS M 11-22 (which is on my EOS M2 95% of the time), is 'tied for first' as far as favorite lenses are concerned.

Speaking of the 100-400II, when attached via adapter to an M10...this combination produced decent eclipse photos (one shown below):



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Plainsman

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...why not a 100-450?
That extra 50mm would really bring the customers to Tamron even at the slightly increased price.


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A Canon 200-600mm could show some "responsibility" in keeping it 3x while beating Nikon at the long end. Would be a double jab that would not cannibalize on exiting glass... :-))

It would probably not be hard for Canon to beat Nikon in both IQ and QC!

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Depends on what format you are shooting, Tamron 150-600 seems to work better on FF cameras. Also from what I have been seeing with Nikon shooters here most prefer to buy Nikon lenses as they hold their value better than Tamron/Sigma lenses which you can buy for nearly half the price of new lens on used market.

I use my 150-600mm on a 5DSR, which has the same pixel size as APS-C, and its relative performance to my Canon lenses is the same as on my 5DIV - and I nearly always severely crop.

The financial investment argument breaks down if you are comparing a cheap easy to sell used lens with a far more expensive Canon or Nikon. If you lose half the price of a Sigma or Tamron 150-600mm, you lose about $400, and they are easy to sell. Buy a big white, and you lose 3-5x that as soon as you unwrap it.

Anyway, on eBay UK completed listings, used Sigma 150-600mm Cs routinely have sold at £650-700 whereas new cost £799-899. So, they are holding their prices well.
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Here in India Tamron and Sigma 150-600mm can be purchased for nearly half off the price of new lens. I havent purchased any big white(only rent it from time to time) so no idea how much they lose their value. Although from time to time I see 500mm f/4 on sale and the prices are really tempting.

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