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7D Mark iii or 90D?
« on: October 30, 2017, 12:03:13 PM »
Which model do you believe will be released before, 7D Mark iii, or 90d?

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7D Mark iii or 90D?
« on: October 30, 2017, 12:03:13 PM »

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Re: 7D Mark iii or 90D?
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2017, 12:28:57 PM »
7D Mark III

Or at least that is what I hope.

I don't expect much in terms of a 7D3. Maybe 11fps...slight sensor improvements. Not much to improve on it. On the other hand, Canon is notoriously conservative on upping specs. Maybe they can use it to showcase some 4K that's actually usable...that's wishful thinking.

This will allow Canon to dedicate the entire first half of 2018 to this camera, and so they can use the back end for consumer stuff to make it to 2019. This gives them time to figure out what to do with the 5DSR / 5D4 in respect to the D850 and A7R3 releases which remains to be seen how successful they will be - but the industry is going crazy over these have your cake and eat it High rez, high speed, high quality cameras.

Canon shot their load in late 2016, so they aren't updating anytime soon.

7D3 will also answer the D500, which has all the spotlight on it for APS-C sports and wildlife.

80D isn't that old, but that line updates more regularly.

7D series has long product cycle due to being specialist camera. Even on the Nikon side....


Tough call.




 

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Re: 7D Mark iii or 90D?
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2017, 05:25:15 PM »
Most likely the 7DIII, and I'm hoping that is the case. Would love to upgrade from my 80D (more rugged body, 4k video hopefully, and hopefully a touchscreen).

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Re: 7D Mark iii or 90D?
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2017, 10:08:42 PM »
The 7DIII seems more likely.  It's 18 months older than the 80D or D500.  Hard to be certain though.  Mostly, 80D doesn't seem due for replacement on their regular schedule until later 2018 or start of 2019.  Rushing an engineering and manufacturing project is hard.  It seems like there must be a newer, better sensor in works now that the 80D sensor has been morphed into the regular production unit.  A new sensor project doesn't seem easy to shorten. 

The 7DIII could benefit from some new parts like a pair of Digic 7, but I don't know if adding dual pixel with the same sensor everything else has would really be a compelling point, unless the AF picks up some new tricks. 

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Re: 7D Mark iii or 90D?
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2017, 11:47:07 PM »
I believe Canon will return to the 7D/60D sequence, releasing a 7DIII with a new sensor in 2018, then trickling that sensor down to the 90D the following year.

Canon is notoriously conservative on upping specs.

That’s not been the case with the 7D. The original 7D was spec’d above the 5D in every way but sensor size. Autofocus, weather sealing, FPS, etc. was superior to the 5D II.

Same with the 7D II, which was above the 5D III in many respects and pretty much a mini-1Dx.

I expect that the 7D III will once again surpass every other crop sensor camera and have some new features that preview the next generation of the 1D x.

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Re: 7D Mark iii or 90D?
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2017, 12:37:47 AM »
I believe Canon will return to the 7D/60D sequence, releasing a 7DIII with a new sensor in 2018, then trickling that sensor down to the 90D the following year.

Canon is notoriously conservative on upping specs.

That’s not been the case with the 7D. The original 7D was spec’d above the 5D in every way but sensor size. Autofocus, weather sealing, FPS, etc. was superior to the 5D II.

Same with the 7D II, which was above the 5D III in many respects and pretty much a mini-1Dx.

I expect that the 7D III will once again surpass every other crop sensor camera and have some new features that preview the next generation of the 1D x.

Thats a good example of why specifications don't tell the whole story.  I had two of the original 7D's and two 5D MK II's.  As far as image quality, the 5D MK II was miles ahead.  For me, being able to have a high FPS and taking a lot of poor images really quickly was not pleasing.  The 7D struggled at ISO 800.  A few years later, improvements in processing software let me redo the old images, and ISO 1600 became ok.

I avoided the MK II, lots of experienced photographers had issues with theirs, and I still see new owners complaining.

Canon needs a new 7D MK III that overcomes the spotty issues with the MK II.  I expect it first.

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Re: 7D Mark iii or 90D?
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2017, 04:31:04 AM »
Probably the 7DIII.

There are three primary points Canon really need to address.
1. 4K Video.
2. Sensor Noise (the D500 is just way too good in this area to ignore).
3. For goodness sake give it dual UHS-II SD card slots.

Maybe they could replace the AF system, much as the 7D2 has a really good system, I’m sure some high end users would still appreciate having a crop body that keeps the full AF spread at f8 (currently only on the 1DX2).
Maximum burst doens’t really need to change, they could probably keep the same shutter. If they go to the 24MP DPAF sensor then it would already be pushing a lot more bandwidth.

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Re: 7D Mark iii or 90D?
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2017, 04:31:04 AM »

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Re: 7D Mark iii or 90D?
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2017, 07:32:55 AM »
Mt. Spokane said:  Thats a good example of why specifications don't tell the whole story.  I had two of the original 7D's and two 5D MK II's.  As far as image quality, the 5D MK II was miles ahead.  For me, being able to have a high FPS and taking a lot of poor images really quickly was not pleasing.  The 7D struggled at ISO 800.  A few years later, improvements in processing software let me redo the old images, and ISO 1600 became ok.

I avoided the MK II, lots of experienced photographers had issues with theirs, and I still see new owners complaining.


I have to agree with Mt. Spokane.  I was very underwhelmed by the image quality of my old 7D.  My conclusion was:  Why buy a body the size of a full frame camera, if it doesn't give full frame image quality?  If I buy another APS-C Canon, it will not be in the 7D series unless the next one has rave reviews. 

I'd buy an 80D before I'd buy a 7D Mark II if I wanted a sports/wildlife camera. 

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Re: 7D Mark iii or 90D?
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2017, 12:15:13 PM »
Which model do you believe will be released before, 7D Mark iii, or 90d?

It will be close.  If you believe Canon never goes faster than the last revision (which is generally true):

Date 80D was released:  3/24/16
##D product line rough refresh timing:  Medium length, about 3 years
Best guess of a 90D date:  6/24/19

Date 7D2 was released:  11/1/2014
7D# product line rough refresh timing:  Long, about 5 years
Best guess of a 7D3 date:  11/1/2019

But of course that 'about 5 years above' was based on the 7D1 being up against a dormant market sector for Nikon for years.  Recall Canon gave the 7D1 a nontrivial firmware 'boost' and extended its lifespan rather than bring out a quick 7D2 against... crickets from Nikon (can't say I blame them). 

But now we have the D500 and -- something I think is a nontrivial development -- a 200-500 f/5.6 IS lens for $1400.  That 1-2 punch could conceivably gobble up some Canon wildlifing/birding types in sufficient numbers to cause Canon to speed up the 7D3.

But no one has that data but Canon and Nikon.  So if we get a 2018 7D3, I would presume the D500 is stealing share from Canon.

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Re: 7D Mark iii or 90D?
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2017, 01:17:55 PM »
I wish people would have actually read my post. The statement I was responding to was that Canon is “notoriously conservative” on specs. I was simply pointing out that has never been the case with the 7D line, which has been spec’d above the 5D but below the 1D in each of its two generations. The relative difference in image quality between full frame and crop sensor is irrelevant to that point.

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Re: 7D Mark iii or 90D?
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2017, 03:43:22 PM »
I wish people would have actually read my post. The statement I was responding to was that Canon is “notoriously conservative” on specs. I was simply pointing out that has never been the case with the 7D line, which has been spec’d above the 5D but below the 1D in each of its two generations. The relative difference in image quality between full frame and crop sensor is irrelevant to that point.
I certainly agree with you.

The 7D2, when it came out, had weathersealing comparable to the 1DX. The only camera that had a better AF system was the 1DX. The only camera that beat it for burst speed was the 1DX. This camera really was a mini- 1DX... certainly not conservative on specs.... the camera was designed as a tough workhorse and it delivered!

Yes, it does not have 4K video, but that’s not what a camera like that is about.... it is about heading out in all conditions and delivering the goods. Today I had a choice between using a 5D2, a 6D2, borrowing a 5D3, or my trusty 7D2. It was -12 outside and I wanted to capture muzzle flashes of artillery pieces so the toughness and burst rate of the 7D2 won out. In the end, I was successful...... my companion with a D500, no luck....

It is getting a bit long in the tooth, but it can still kick some serious Nikon butt....
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Re: 7D Mark iii or 90D?
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2017, 04:45:53 PM »
I wish people would have actually read my post. The statement I was responding to was that Canon is “notoriously conservative” on specs. I was simply pointing out that has never been the case with the 7D line, which has been spec’d above the 5D but below the 1D in each of its two generations. The relative difference in image quality between full frame and crop sensor is irrelevant to that point.

I think the point here is that the 7D3 is the first “reactionary” model, this is not a natural progression from the 7D2 and there is reason to speculate that this will be a minor upgrade.
Though the point certainly is valid that the 7D series has up to this point been designed as a disruptive product in the marketplace. I suppose we should all just be happy that Nikon finally got the hint and started competing, and now the D500 is even more disruptive.

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Re: 7D Mark iii or 90D?
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2017, 04:57:11 PM »
For me the question is:

Canon will launch 7D Mark iii hastily, to not lose sales in 2018?
Or will make a killer camera just after the 90D is in the stores?

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Re: 7D Mark iii or 90D?
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2017, 05:06:09 PM »
Realistically, what can you do to improve the 7D2?

You could add in the touchscreen and WiFi of the 6D2..... I think that’s a given......

You can’t really add to many more AF points, but you could make them all F8 and allow metering to the selected AF point....  I think this will happen.....

You could add UHS-2 storage and effectively get an infinite buffer. I expected this on the 7D2, it is long overdue on the 7D3......

Burst speed? Possibly bump it up, but I really doubt you would get to more than 12......

4K video?  Probably.......

Intervalometer? Time lapse mode? Probably.....

Bump the pixel count? Probably..... I can’t see more than 24.....

Other than that, is there really anywhere to go?
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Re: 7D Mark iii or 90D?
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2017, 05:21:09 PM »
Realistically, what can you do to improve the 7D2?

You could add in the touchscreen and WiFi of the 6D2..... I think that’s a given......
You can’t really add to many more AF points, but you could make them all F8 and allow metering to the selected AF point....  I think this will happen.....
You could add UHS-2 storage and effectively get an infinite buffer. I expected this on the 7D2, it is long overdue on the 7D3......
Burst speed? Possibly bump it up, but I really doubt you would get to more than 12......
4K video?  Probably.......
Intervalometer? Time lapse mode? Probably.....
Bump the pixel count? Probably..... I can’t see more than 24.....

Other than that, is there really anywhere to go?
I like your list, but there's something missing:

Low noise in ISO6400.

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Re: 7D Mark iii or 90D?
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2017, 05:21:09 PM »