December 18, 2017, 09:24:08 AM

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will be?

dead on arrival. less dynamic range, worse low light than comp. handicapped video feautures
too little too late. equal to competition but released in late 2018
blow away comp. 4k 60p(FF and crop), IBIS, 10fps, super fast buffer, 14 stops DR
canons first mirrorless camera
already preordered my a7riii or d850

Author Topic: The 5DsR mk2  (Read 16627 times)

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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2017, 01:28:34 PM »
Canon already out-sells every competitor and their market share is growing.

The 5DS MkII will be one of the best cameras ever made (while at the same time having less than 14 stops of DR and a moderate burst rate, because the ecosystem as a whole is more important than any one feature).

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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2017, 01:28:34 PM »

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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2017, 01:52:40 PM »
> The 5DS MkII will be one of the best cameras ever made

From what I heard there won't be a 5DS mark II, only 5DSR mark II.

One of the compromises of the 5DSR design was that it needed to keep the low pass filter and have an additional 'antifilter' put to cancel this out in order for the design to have commonality with the 5DS.

In order to remove this compromise in the 5DSR II there won't be an option for low pass filter at all.
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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2017, 02:55:23 PM »
> The 5DS MkII will be one of the best cameras ever made

From what I heard there won't be a 5DS mark II, only 5DSR mark II.

One of the compromises of the 5DSR design was that it needed to keep the low pass filter and have an additional 'antifilter' put to cancel this out in order for the design to have commonality with the 5DS.

In order to remove this compromise in the 5DSR II there won't be an option for low pass filter at all.

The "5DSR" name exists to separate it from the "5DS", but when there is no "S" model there is no reason to use the "SR" designation.
It will just be called the "5DS MkII", kind of like how there was no "Nikon D810E" even though the D810 follows the D800E configuration.

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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2017, 04:08:09 PM »
I own a 1Dx, 1Dx mk2 and 5DsR...theres no bias...its honesty. Canon cant help itself from protecting the cinema line to make the camera that needs to be made. Also hows it gonna handicap the 5DsR mk2 to protect the 5D mk4. We all know the 5DsR wont be 4k60p...but it should be and not at 800mbps. Will it have 4k hdmi out...probably not. Now I cant do 4k live streams. I dont want to switch. I hate the way the a9 feels in my hands and ive shot over 7,000 pics with it. I want DPAF but whats the point if I need to spend over 1,000 per hour of CFast2 4k60p. Im willing to live with GOOD ENOUGH video AF sony has now.

Id pay 6,000 for a 5DsR mk2 with low light equal to the a7r iii, 4k 60p, IBIS, 4k hdmi out, 8-10 fps, 50 RAW frame buffer uncompressed, DPAF, wifi. Thats all very realistic. If I saw a leak that it was coming out next summer Id wait for it unless the A7Siii pulled me away from the C200.

I want canon to do better. Im not gonna make excuses for it to keep being less than it should be.

Oh and my 5DsR is USELESS for professonal video. thats really the biggest thing pushing me away from it. Hell a canon xf400 has DPAF and 4k60P out.

Could you be kind enough to tell me about your workflow of how you live-stream in 4K out of any currently available DSLR or mirrorless camera in a sustainable way (say for a typical 2-hour corporate function) and what is the cost of additional hardware setup you have. If that camera exists I'll definitely buy it in a blink of eye!

You complain about lack of 4K out and 4k60p in a still oriented Canon camera. Please let me know any other brand DSLR or mirrorless camera that can do both (i.e. 4k internal recording and 4k out simultaneously) without crippling either the bit rate (min 150 mbps) or bit depth (4:2:2, 10 bit), and again I will buy that camera in a blink of eye!   
There is an obvious reason that Canon uses over $1,000 per hour CFast2 card to deliver 4k60p contents in a reliable and dependable way. Same does RED and even Sony pro video line. Professional select tools that deliver what promised and matches their needs. 5DSR has been a tool that can deliver excellent hi-res stills and the II version will definitely push the boundary of image quality even further.
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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2017, 06:20:34 PM »
Hell a canon xf400 has DPAF and 4k60P out.

I'm curious how you'd expect canon to mimic a non-sealed and vented camcorder in a sealed DSLR body?

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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2017, 07:23:44 PM »
The 5DSR Mark I hasn't really impressed me as a camera.
Maybe its my version but the 5D III and 5D IV that I have are better in terms of image quality.
It doesn't perform well as the ISO goes up.
I was never blown away by its detail as I didn't think it ever showed any more detail than a 5D III.
I'd find the image quality in the 5D IV much better than it.


Wow...not sure what lens you were using on it but having shot with all three cameras, I can tell you there’s no comparison. The 5DSR is head and shoulders above the other two when it comes to resolving power. If you put a quality lens on the R, preferably an image-stabilized one, it should *not* leave you wanting.
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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2017, 01:22:19 AM »
Third option but no IBIS.

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« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2017, 01:22:19 AM »

James Larsen

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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2017, 09:58:53 AM »
It's going to be decent, but too late in the game (as usual).  :-\

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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2017, 02:29:24 PM »
It's going to be decent, but too late in the game (as usual).  :-\

Not for me it isn't. I am looking forwards to it and am happy to bide my time until it arrives and gets shaken down.
Too often we lose sight of the fact that photography is about capturing light, if we have the ability to take control of that light then we grow exponentially as photographers. More often than not the image is not about lens speed, sensor size, DR, MP's or AF, it is about the light.

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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2017, 01:41:37 AM »
Third option but no IBIS.

Does Canon have any patents on ibis or similar tech? A high MP rig would be the logical place to have it
I would be looking at the next 5dsr type body to see if it fits what I'm wanting, I'm pretty sure Canon could put all the pieces together in one rig, just not that confident that they will
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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2017, 04:11:37 AM »
Third option but no IBIS.

Does Canon have any patents on ibis or similar tech? A high MP rig would be the logical place to have it
I would be looking at the next 5dsr type body to see if it fits what I'm wanting, I'm pretty sure Canon could put all the pieces together in one rig, just not that confident that they will
I'm sure they have a patent, but IBIS on EF mount will not happen. IBIS moves the sensor outside of the image circle which the mount, lenses and size of mirror box are designed for. Sony didn't care about image degradation at the corners, but Canon is building real professional products where they would not allow such a compromise.
Only chance for IBIS in EF I see would be APC-H (or APS-C without EF-S compatibility).
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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2017, 07:59:56 AM »
For high-resolution macro photography the pixel shift feature in the A7RIII is a hugely significant development.

I haven't tried it out yet, but it could be a game changer.
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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2017, 08:07:24 AM »
For high-resolution macro photography the pixel shift feature in the A7RIII is a hugely significant development.

I haven't tried it out yet, but it could be a game changer.

An improvement with many caveats, maybe.

A game changer, no, not even close. Other manufacturers have been doing it for years to little fanfare, indeed Hasselblad have dropped the feature due to the underwhelming response.

But tell me, what does the 5DSR not do for your high resolution macro photography?
Too often we lose sight of the fact that photography is about capturing light, if we have the ability to take control of that light then we grow exponentially as photographers. More often than not the image is not about lens speed, sensor size, DR, MP's or AF, it is about the light.

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« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2017, 08:07:24 AM »

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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2017, 08:21:24 AM »
When is the rumored MkII coming out?

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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2017, 08:33:08 AM »
Third option but no IBIS.

Does Canon have any patents on ibis or similar tech?

None. Notta. Not. One. Single. Patent.



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« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2017, 08:33:08 AM »