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Re: Is There a Definitive 85 to Get?
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2017, 06:47:54 PM »
With my marginal talent, and aging hands, I like the sound of the 1.4 IS.  Hopefully, it is also "easy to dance to".
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Re: Is There a Definitive 85 to Get?
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Re: Is There a Definitive 85 to Get?
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2017, 09:38:38 AM »
Would the Milvus possibly make sense (portraits, stage, etc.)? 

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Re: Is There a Definitive 85 to Get?
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2017, 09:39:09 AM »
With my marginal talent, and aging hands, I like the sound of the 1.4 IS.  Hopefully, it is also "easy to dance to".


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Re: Is There a Definitive 85 to Get?
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2017, 10:14:25 AM »
Define "definitive."

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Re: Is There a Definitive 85 to Get?
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2017, 11:15:24 AM »
Just got Sigma 85mm f/1.4 EX DG HSM Lens (one before Art). Testing out on moving target after AFMA on Canon 70D. This is 50% crop at f1.4 1/2500th iso500 on a moving dog with low contrast using AI Servo. Not every shot is in focus. Some soft and some usable but not tack sharp. Only paid £300 and loving it especially on the 6D  8)
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Re: Is There a Definitive 85 to Get?
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2017, 11:44:10 AM »

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Re: Is There a Definitive 85 to Get?
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2017, 01:03:15 PM »
My new 85 (80) is a 50 STM on an adapted M5. It's remarkably good for $87.

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Re: Is There a Definitive 85 to Get?
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2017, 04:53:46 AM »
If you're set on an 85mm prime, I'd actually suggest the 85mm f/1.8 stopped down to f/2.8-4. Fact of the matter is it's the fastest and most accurately-focusing 85mm prime for Canon bodies (and I say that even as someone who regularly sings the praises of Tamron's newer AF systems) and at those apertures, all these 85s end up being more-or-less the same optically, though the Canon f/1.8 does continue to have less aberration than any other 85 available for Canon. The new 85mm f/1.4 IS is a touch faster to focus on some bodies, but your 6D isn't one of those, and the optical improvements (which are only center sharpness and vignetting) don't mean much if you're stopping down anyway. (The IS meaning even less at the shutter speeds you'll usually be using for a performance.) For the sake of that lower-light concert photography, where AF really matters a lot, it's very hard to recommend the Canon 1.2 (vague focus-by-wire), the Sigma (inconsistent accuracy), the Tamron (slower), or the Zeiss (even for jazz concerts, you don't want to be trying to use a Zeiss; I happily use them in the studio, but they absolutely do not hold up for concert shooting).

Slightly better than that would be the 100mm f/2 and 100m f/2.8L IS Macro. The plain 100mm f/2 is one of Canon's best lenses for controlling aberration (as far as primes go it's a tie with the 85mm f/1.8, which, again beats every other 85 available in Canon mount) and it's also the fastest-focusing lens over 50mm that Canon produces. The f/2.8L is slower to focus, as it's a macro lens with a much larger focus throw, but it's optically even better and gives you IS and weather sealing.

But really, better than any of the above would be the 70-200 f/2.8L IS II. It focuses faster and more consistently accurately than any of the primes except for the cheap 85 f/1.8 & 100 f/2; it's optically as good as you can get (the only Canon-mount lens in the world with less prominent aberration is the Zeiss 135mm); and there will absolutely be times you are thankful for the extra range. There is a reason why the 70-200 2.8 is the performance lens, whether it's an almost motionless piano recital, ballet, theatre, or a heavy metal festival.

If you're absolutely dead-set on primes and 85mm, the Canon 85mm f/1.8 (or slightly better, the 100mm f/2) shot at f/2.8 or smaller is equal-or-better  than everything else in terms of both AF and optical quality. If you really want to shoot wider than f/2.8 then that lens does drop behind the others quicker, but for jazz band you should have more than enough light for f/2.8 and I'd never risk missing focus by using a wider aperture than that anyway.
If you can't bring yourself to use a non-premium lens for whatever reason, the new 85mm f/1.4L IS is the second-best choice on paper for this kind of purpose (I've yet to use it enough myself to definitely say how it fares in terms of aberration, but so far it seems fine). I love the recent Tamrons, but the AF is a touch slow and if you're going to give up AF speed then you might as well get the Canon 100mm f/2.8L IS; I like the recent Sigmas, but their AF—especially on the 85—is too inconsistent for me to trust on an unrepeatable task like any kind of concert. The Zeiss, as I said above, I love in the studio, but I'd never take to a stage performance.
But, like I said, the 70-200 f/2.8 IS II is king of them all. You'd have to be really, really against zooms to use anything else.

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Re: Is There a Definitive 85 to Get?
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2017, 02:04:38 PM »
The Milvus is a tool for experts only.

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Re: Is There a Definitive 85 to Get?
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2017, 02:37:37 PM »
There is a lot of metal so CA is maybe a top concern.  I do shoot in RAW, but for some reason whenever I see purple where it shouldn't be I start screaming at my computer. 

Slightly better than that would be the 100mm f/2 and 100m f/2.8L IS Macro. The plain 100mm f/2 is one of Canon's best lenses for controlling aberration (as far as primes go it's a tie with the 85mm f/1.8, which, again beats every other 85 available in Canon mount)...

But really, better than any of the above would be the 70-200 f/2.8L IS II.

The 85/1.8 is well-controlled for most aberrations, but not for longitudinal CA, which the OP indicated was a particular concern.  Shooting OOF specular highlights with the 85/1.8 might make Cory want to scream, but it made me feel like singing one or more songs from this list;)

Agree, if budget allows and f/2.8 is fast enough, the 70-200/2.8L IS II is the top choice for indoor event shooting.
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Re: Is There a Definitive 85 to Get?
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2017, 04:11:46 PM »
An 85mm lens on my 6D might be what I'll need most of the time for stage performances.  My son just made the cut on one of the best high school jazz bands in the country.  Yes, his life's over until May, but he's good with it.
There is a lot of metal so CA is maybe a top concern.  I do shoot in RAW, but for some reason whenever I see purple where it shouldn't be I start screaming at my computer.  Not sure why.
Thanks for any "best" recommendations although it's possible, I guess, that there's no terribly wrong answer.
Dustin Abbott has a nice brand new comparison of 85mm lenses in his new EF85mm f/1.4L IS USM review
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Re: Is There a Definitive 85 to Get?
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2017, 08:50:32 PM »
My new 85 (80) is a 50 STM on an adapted M5. It's remarkably good for $87.
True, after I got my M5 I bought a Canon adapter right away as I already have the 50mm STM.
My definitive 85 which is not really an 85.

I used to have the Canon USM 85 with the 6D before, I loved it too!

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Re: Is There a Definitive 85 to Get?
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Re: Is There a Definitive 85 to Get?
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2017, 10:43:55 PM »
I wonder if, by chance, I should replace my 135 with the venerable 70-200 2.8 IS II.  Probably THE definitive zoom; maybe without a doubt.
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Re: Is There a Definitive 85 to Get?
« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2017, 12:29:39 AM »

Slightly better than that would be the 100mm f/2 and 100m f/2.8L IS Macro. The plain 100mm f/2 is one of Canon's best lenses for controlling aberration (as far as primes go it's a tie with the 85mm f/1.8, which, again beats every other 85 available in Canon mount) and it's also the fastest-focusing lens over 50mm that Canon produces.

I have to agree on the utility of the 100 f2. Almost zero mention of it anywhere ever yet it is one of the unsung heroes of the Canon line up.

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Re: Is There a Definitive 85 to Get?
« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2017, 12:29:39 AM »