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Re: 5D Mark III/X Information [CR1]
« Reply #60 on: February 14, 2012, 11:05:37 AM »
What I'd like from a 5Dx

1080p video that actually *resolves* 1080p without obvious moire / aliasing

8 bit (10 for pref) 4:2:2 codec, preferably 100+ mbps I-frame (AVC-Intra does 1080p 100 mbpa 10 bit 4:2:2).

12+ stops DR in video

I could care less about audio since I go double system anyway, and I'd gladly swap 2 stop high ISO for 2 stops DR

A price I can afford without courting bankruptcy  ;D

In other words video that's worthy of a £2500+ camera and that isn't embarased by a £600 Seaquake-hacked GH2 >:(

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« Reply #61 on: February 14, 2012, 11:18:10 AM »
Given what Canon has released in the last 3 years, it's becoming more apparent that they are depending more on brand loyalty than worrying about what the competition is doing.

I expected all along that the 5d2 replacement would be a very minor upgrade with slightly better AF, video, and sensor performance.  It's the same thing they did when they released the 1d4, which many 1d3 owners including myself skipped over because it wasn't worth spending the money for a slight upgrade.  If the 5d3 is a 22mpx sensor with only slight improvements elsewhere, there will be almost no point in upgrading for about 90% of 5d2 users unless they either need a 2nd body or just want to upgrade for the fun of it.  Of course, Canon loyalists who have not yet experienced a full-frame body will likely flock to it.

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« Reply #62 on: February 14, 2012, 11:21:05 AM »
Given what Canon has released in the last 3 years, it's becoming more apparent that they are depending more on brand loyalty than worrying about what the competition is doing.

I expected all along that the 5d2 replacement would be a very minor upgrade with slightly better AF, video, and sensor performance.  It's the same thing they did when they released the 1d4, which many 1d3 owners including myself skipped over because it wasn't worth spending the money for a slight upgrade.  If the 5d3 is a 22mpx sensor with only slight improvements elsewhere, there will be almost no point in upgrading for about 90% of 5d2 users unless they either need a 2nd body or just want to upgrade for the fun of it.
Slightly better AF? Holy crap, if this rumor is true it's worlds apart.... ::)
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« Reply #63 on: February 14, 2012, 11:25:43 AM »
Finally Canon has definitely got the message! (I hope so).... not  two specific bodies for two specific purposes but one body for all the seasons. With not an huge number of Mpx (how many times you have to print an image 2X3 mt, but FF fast and reactive. Hoping that the leak will be confirmed! Let's leave the 30+ Mpx to the medium format ultra pro bodies!

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« Reply #64 on: February 14, 2012, 11:25:53 AM »
I'd buy a 22MP 5D-family camera with pro-AF and 6.9 FPS in a heartbeat.  It's exactly what we dreamed the 5D Mark II could have been in an ideal world.  at the end of the day, 22 MP is a decent all-around useful number, although I'd prefer a push to 24 MP or 28 MP (even if that brought shooting speed down fractionally to 6.3 FPS to match the former 50D).  can't wait for this to drop, even though I'll be shooting my 5D Mark II until the shutter dies before I upgrade.

You obviously didn't jump from a 5D to a 5DII, it was a HUGE improvement.  Almost double the megapixels, big jump in ISO performance, video, etc.  You make it sound like you were disappointed with the 5DII, it's one of the most celebrated DSLR's of all time!
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« Reply #65 on: February 14, 2012, 11:28:38 AM »
I'd buy a 22MP 5D-family camera with pro-AF and 6.9 FPS in a heartbeat.  It's exactly what we dreamed the 5D Mark II could have been in an ideal world.  at the end of the day, 22 MP is a decent all-around useful number, although I'd prefer a push to 24 MP or 28 MP (even if that brought shooting speed down fractionally to 6.3 FPS to match the former 50D).  can't wait for this to drop, even though I'll be shooting my 5D Mark II until the shutter dies before I upgrade.

You obviously didn't jump from a 5D to a 5DII, it was a HUGE improvement.  Almost double the megapixels, big jump in ISO performance, video, etc.  You make it sound like you were disappointed with the 5DII, it's one of the most celebrated DSLR's of all time!

axilrod, quite the opposite.  I went from a 30D to the 5D Mark II, and I absolutely love my 5D Mark II.  My point was, I can't really ask for much to be improved on the 5D Mark II, except the AF and fps rate.  give me improvements in those two areas and I'm really quite set for life  8)

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« Reply #66 on: February 14, 2012, 11:38:06 AM »
My point was, I can't really ask for much to be improved on the 5D Mark II, except the AF and fps rate.  give me improvements in those two areas and I'm really quite set for life

Indeed.  That and the joystick on the battery grip as icing on the cake, and I begin to rethink my decision to get a 1D X. 
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« Reply #67 on: February 14, 2012, 11:39:39 AM »
Hate to break it to you, Tuggen, but you are simply wrong. What reports are you hearing? And there is absolutely no chance that the D800 beats  or ties the 1DX in high iso performance!

How do you know that is it wrong. I'm just telling what I have read and also saying we need to wait for final confirmation. However to my ears the information seems very resonable.
I have heard no information that D800 beats 1DX but that they have similar high ISO performance. I hope it's wrong and that 1Dx is in pair with D3s and D4 or even slighly better.
That the D800 is about 0.5 stop better than D700 and 5Dmk2 and about 0.5 stop worse than D3s was very expected from the beginning based on the D7000 sensor.
I can't believe that a 36MP with a native ISO of max. 6400 will ever beat a 18MP with native 51,200 ::) Even better, should they even have the same ISO-range the 18MP has the advantage due to lower pixel density... ::)
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« Reply #68 on: February 14, 2012, 11:40:36 AM »
My point was, I can't really ask for much to be improved on the 5D Mark II, except the AF and fps rate.  give me improvements in those two areas and I'm really quite set for life

Indeed.  That and the joystick on the battery grip as icing on the cake, and I begin to rethink my decision to get a 1D X.
I might get both  :P
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« Reply #69 on: February 14, 2012, 11:46:09 AM »
No, I'm not saying anything about 5D3. I'm just thowing out a question of what Canon may have to do to make 5D3 competive if anything in the rumored specification is true. By the few specification points on paper it seems to have nothing compared to D800 so 0.5 stop better in high ISO performace could have been something to compete with.

As I said earlier I don't think that the masses care about detail differences in image quality. Less than 1 stop in ISO performance is details to the general user, they just conclude "it's about the same, as it has always been".

Having a lower MP number regardless of actual performance will be competitive towards a large group of users. I think many are turned off by having to deal with 36 megapixel files. In other words, lower MP can be a feature in itself, especially since D800 lacks sRAW and mRAW modes.

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« Reply #70 on: February 14, 2012, 11:46:45 AM »
Slightly better AF? Holy crap, if this rumor is true it's worlds apart.... ::)

Depends on your use-case.  The rumored AF improvements will help some, but have minimal impact on others.
Personally, AF improvement is petty low on my list, and any fancy new setup will produce only marginal real life difference for me.  Thus I would also describe it as a 'slightly better' AF since the domains where it is 'much' better do not really apply.

Crow, if they offered a MF only body for cheaper I would probably by that ^_^.  I can not remember the last time I used AF in the first place.

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« Reply #71 on: February 14, 2012, 11:48:11 AM »
No, I'm not saying anything about 5D3. I'm just thowing out a question of what Canon may have to do to make 5D3 competive if anything in the rumored specification is true. By the few specification points on paper it seems to have nothing compared to D800 so 0.5 stop better in high ISO performace could have been something to compete with.

As I said earlier I don't think that the masses care about detail differences in image quality. Less than 1 stop in ISO performance is details to the general user, they just conclude "it's about the same, as it has always been".

Having a lower MP number regardless of actual performance will be competitive towards a large group of users. I think many are turned off by having to deal with 36 megapixel files. In other words, lower MP can be a feature in itself, especially since D800 lacks sRAW and mRAW modes.
I agree. Buying a D800 also means investing in HDD's or NAS...
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« Reply #72 on: February 14, 2012, 11:49:39 AM »
This is good news! That would also mean PREORDER for me.
However, I'm really scarred about the pricing.

I'd thought that I would be getting a 24-70 II for the same price or maybe with IS and I've been prove 1000$ wrong and no IS!!!

What if they price it a good 1000$ more than the mkII!? This is even scarier when the rumors says that they might keep the mkII! I do not see them lowering the price of the mkII in order to place the mkIII at the original price......

This could kill our dreams very very quickly....

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« Reply #73 on: February 14, 2012, 11:53:53 AM »
It seems clear to me that Canon is going with the "X" nomenclature for some new models.  I expect a 5D3 with the rumored 22mp and a 5DX or possibly 3DX with huge mp count to match or surpass the Nikon D800.  Or maybe the 22mp 5D replacement will be 5DX and then there will be another camera... like 5DXs or something with the big mp count.  Anyway, I expect another "X"!

I don't understand how do you guys see the X has high MP when the 1DX is NOT.
X could mean low DEF high ISO
and I/II/III would be kept for high MP

Don't you think?

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« Reply #74 on: February 14, 2012, 11:55:31 AM »
It seems clear to me that Canon is going with the "X" nomenclature for some new models.  I expect a 5D3 with the rumored 22mp and a 5DX or possibly 3DX with huge mp count to match or surpass the Nikon D800.  Or maybe the 22mp 5D replacement will be 5DX and then there will be another camera... like 5DXs or something with the big mp count.  Anyway, I expect another "X"!

I don't understand how do you guys see the X has high MP when the 1DX is NOT.
X could mean low DEF high ISO
and I/II/III would be kept for high MP

Don't you think?
+1 I agree
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