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Canon XC15 Style Camera Coming with EF Mount? [CR2]
« on: December 04, 2017, 10:45:50 AM »
We have been told a couple of times that a Canon XC15 style camera with an EF mount will be coming some time in 2018, one would think NAB in April would be the perfect time to announce such a camera.

We have seen a patent related to such a product, so that raises the possibility of it actually happening. We were first told about this camera before the publishing of the patent.

One of the sources did say that contrary to some popular opinion on the web, Canon considers the XC10 and XC15 to be a success with better than expected sales numbers.

No other specifications or information were given to us.

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Canon XC15 Style Camera Coming with EF Mount? [CR2]
« on: December 04, 2017, 10:45:50 AM »

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Re: Canon XC15 Style Camera Coming with EF Mount? [CR2]
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2017, 11:41:35 AM »
Wonder, will this be ANYTHING like the 5D4 C-LOG upgrade wishlist that was released earlier this year?  If so, it should be a success if they can price under $4K.

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Re: Canon XC15 Style Camera Coming with EF Mount? [CR2]
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2017, 11:45:23 AM »
The XC10 was a dog of a camera we bought a couple for recces and they were never really popular, we never bought the XC15 as a result.
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Re: Canon XC15 Style Camera Coming with EF Mount? [CR2]
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2017, 11:51:26 AM »
They are selling the XC10/XC15 on the premise that its good for reportage and B-Cam work, so having a changeable mount makes a lot more sense (even if it ships with a 24-240 lens, or perhaps their latest 24-105).

Though it'd probably make more sense to drop the handle, shrink the size a little, and compete as a Blackmagic Micro/drone style camera.

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Re: Canon XC15 Style Camera Coming with EF Mount? [CR2]
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2017, 11:57:18 AM »
EF Mount, but what will the sensor size be?

If it retains the same 1-inch sensor, then the wide-angle choices will be very limited, as the XC-15's wide end of 8.9mm is equivalent to about 27mm.  Not many options in that 9mm or below range of EF, EF-S lenses (like none, except for the f4 fisheye zoom.

Going to an APS-C or Full-Frame sensor would solve that problem, but not sure what effect that would have on the form factor.

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Re: Canon XC15 Style Camera Coming with EF Mount? [CR2]
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2017, 12:08:26 PM »
"Heard couple of times" makes it CR2? :-)

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Re: Canon XC15 Style Camera Coming with EF Mount? [CR2]
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2017, 12:31:59 PM »
As an XC10/15 owner, my primary problem with the camera was the variable aperture lens. If it had been a consistent f/2.8, it would have been far more useful as a b-cam. It just couldn't keep up in low light. A changeable lens mount would fix this, but it would also ruin the very good IS and small size of the camera. As it was, the variable aperture lens was the maximum size the camera could handle without needing to increase the size of the body to compensate.

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« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2017, 12:31:59 PM »

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Re: Canon XC15 Style Camera Coming with EF Mount? [CR2]
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2017, 01:43:00 PM »
Sounds exciting, can't wait to play with one! The EF side of things opens up lots of artistic possibility.

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Re: Canon XC15 Style Camera Coming with EF Mount? [CR2]
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2017, 10:51:27 AM »
Guess they realized the main reason no one wanted one at that price point is that people wanted interchangeable lenses. Seriously if anyone wanted to be stuck with a single lens then the Sony AX100 was a more affordable option and has same sensor size. But very few will pay $2000 USD for a camera you can not switch the lens out on..

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Re: Canon XC15 Style Camera Coming with EF Mount? [CR2]
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2017, 02:10:41 PM »
Guess they realized the main reason no one wanted one at that price point is that people wanted interchangeable lenses. Seriously if anyone wanted to be stuck with a single lens then the Sony AX100 was a more affordable option and has same sensor size.

except the XC10/15 had a serious and broadcast quality codec.  the AX100 has a consumer one.

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Re: Canon XC15 Style Camera Coming with EF Mount? [CR2]
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2017, 09:00:36 PM »
EF Mount, but what will the sensor size be?

If it retains the same 1-inch sensor, then the wide-angle choices will be very limited, as the XC-15's wide end of 8.9mm is equivalent to about 27mm.  Not many options in that 9mm or below range of EF, EF-S lenses (like none, except for the f4 fisheye zoom.

Going to an APS-C or Full-Frame sensor would solve that problem, but not sure what effect that would have on the form factor.

Going with an APS-C sensor makes sense. If they can fit that into an M5, they ought to be able to fit it in this thing. Of course, they should have released it as APS-C with EF mount in the beginning. If it doesn't come with 4K 60p, it never happened.

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Re: Canon XC15 Style Camera Coming with EF Mount? [CR2]
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2017, 10:08:46 AM »
XC15 style camera with EF Mount? They already make that - it's called the C100.

What Canon needs to do with the XC15 is increase the sensor size (or start using Sony 1" sensors, whatever they need to do to get better low-light performance and DR), and redesign the lens. SACRIFICE ZOOM RANGE FOR CONSTANT APERTURE PLEASE! And make the optics better, especially on the wide end. Cropping into 4k at 24mm on the XC looks bad - very soft and lots of CA. Just steal the 24-200mm f/2.8 that the RX10 II used and call it a day. Seriously.
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Re: Canon XC15 Style Camera Coming with EF Mount? [CR2]
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2017, 11:20:24 AM »
XC15 style camera with EF Mount? They already make that - it's called the C100.

What Canon needs to do with the XC15 is increase the sensor size (or start using Sony 1" sensors, whatever they need to do to get better low-light performance and DR), and redesign the lens. SACRIFICE ZOOM RANGE FOR CONSTANT APERTURE PLEASE! And make the optics better, especially on the wide end. Cropping into 4k at 24mm on the XC looks bad - very soft and lots of CA. Just steal the 24-200mm f/2.8 that the RX10 II used and call it a day. Seriously.

Or they could just suck it up and put useable 4K video and frame rates with an efficient codec into a 7D, 5D, M6, and FF mirrorless. Then they could really call it a day.

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Re: Canon XC15 Style Camera Coming with EF Mount? [CR2]
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2017, 11:20:24 AM »